Why aren't males going to college?

[Spumoni]

Read some disturbing news on the reddit.com front page talking about the lack of males in college and deficient in lower levels of education.  Ive heard Molyneux and Mike talk about female dominated teaching and daycare environments are non-conducive to boys being graded equally.  I don't understand why this is exactly happening and what we can do to help boys perform better and gain interest in college.  I suspect this topic has many levels of complexity from single parenting to mothers favored in family divorce court.  

 

If single parenting is a problem for both sexes, why are women still progressing while men are declining?  I have suspicions that men staying at home on video games, less father involvement in developing delayed gratification and building a path to future is no longer instilled in boys.  I could see taking on debt for student loans and less incentives for working due to stagnated wages and destruction of the American family.  How do we solve these problems without helping further damage and destroying our future.  The prison system is a catastrophe, John Olivers Last Week Tonight segment actually touched on something important and focused on men wrongfully held 55+ years for a drug charge along with mandatory minimums.  

 

The news is just heart-breaking and I am interested in digging deeper into these problems.  When I near the completion of my MBA in February after realizing my Bachelors in General Science gave no possibilities for me after 4 years in the Naval Academy and 9 years of being told it was the worst place to be, best place to be from.  I am hoping those 4 years were not a mistake paid on the part of the American taxpayer.  Ive taken a big leap and several steps in this peaceful parenting, universally preferable behavior environment.  

 

TL:DR  The education system is stacked against males, how do we help this situation?

 

Thanks,

 

Justin

 

P.S.  Heres the article for those interested..  And another article searching for answers but negates my concerns about society and grade schools.

 

http://www.avoiceformalestudents.com/michelle-obama-stop-selling-out-ourboys/

https://www.questia.com/magazine/1P3-776923621/men-no-longer-majority-of-college-students-graduates

[LancierDombre]

What can we do as individuals to fix this?  Talk about it, like you're doing.  Put a mirror in society's face and make everyone confront their own misandry, gynocentrism, and hypocrasy on these issues.  It may not turn back the tide, but spreading sound thinking on why men's education is important - arguably more so than women's education - will lay the intellectual groundwork for a return to sanity when this feminist society collapses.

 

Promoting male friendly spaces in education is also important.  Maybe we need to start looking into sending our sons to all male schools where possible.

[Crallask]

As a guy who never went to college.

 

Why the fuck would I ever go there? No seriously, can I not build skills and gain income through other means? If I'm gonna go 20k+ into debt, I'll start my own business.

 

Also, I've heard of stories from college, stories about sophomores who are incapable of writing structured, coherent paragraphs. Really? Does that sound like a good place to use my time?

 

 

Really though, the heart of the problem is this.

 

Where's the competition?

 

Can you meaningfully compete with these services? Sure, I can, but I'm a bit higher on the IQ scale than most, it seems. So I have a loooot of sympathy for those that want to do different but can't. (Money taken via taxes and inflation that makes opting out extraordinarily hard.)

 

I feel that even regular men, at this point, see college as the shitty money sink it is. They also receive much less aid than women because privilege. 

[Romulox]

With college degrees becoming more worthless each day while the cost of attending a 4-year school is significantly outpacing inflation, perhaps the real question should be "Why are females still going to college?"

[shirgall]

When I went to college in the 80s I felt like I was just "doing time" to get a piece of paper. I was already working in my industry. I can't imagine that things are tremendously different now. However, as someone that worked through college in my industry I came out of it with experience *and* a degree *and* no debt. I think that combination made all the difference.

[AccuTron]

Justin, as an aside, could you elaborate on the Naval Academy experience?  I'm not sure how to interpret the statements.

[Copper_Heart]

Like a guy who is going to college, please do not help boys gain interest in college! I have give up 3 job offers while studding, because every one said that it was so important. I would have gained money and experience in the field on top of same prestige as in academia. I am studding outdated material which is given to me by some times incompetent people.

 

It was an emotional torture in a socialist environment, where people who teach usually do not have any experience outside academia, and better quality material is available in the web. Also many times you never use most of your knowledge and have to learn it again because nobody will trust you with it any way.

 

This is my overly motional opinion, but I hope you can see where I am coming from.

[KallanDaMan]

As commenters above have stated, while I definitely don't think staying home and playing video games is a productive use of time, for many college probably isn't either. It may even be worse than a waste of time; you can actually lose economic value by going into debt to pay for college. 

The insinuation here seems to be that men are going to end up as a whole being less economically valuable than women because they are discriminated against by colleges. Intuitively I wanted to say that probably isn't true because men do make measurably more in the workforce than women on average (when you DON'T account for factors such as time in the workforce, days off, level of education and work experience, etc.), but since we're talking about younger folks I looked up the stats for people younger than 25 in the workforce. Assumedly these are people fresh out of college, or out of college a year or two. 

http://www.financialsamurai.com/median-income-by-age-and-sex-in-america/

It shows the pay gap is small for this age group, but it is still favorable to men, suggesting that men on average have more economic value. So even if women are going to college more, this is not improving their economic value. 

But this only applies to people who are working, so I found this:

http://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/cpseea10.htm

Interestingly in the 16-24 age group, measurably more women work than men. So this definitely gives credence to the idea that men are less motivated.

[Spumoni]

Interesting replies, AccuTron, I will explain this paragraph further:

 

The news is just heart-breaking and I am interested in digging deeper into these problems.  When I near the completion of my MBA in February after realizing my Bachelors in General Science gave no possibilities for me after 4 years in the Naval Academy and 9 years of being told it was the worst place to be, best place to be from.  I am hoping those 4 years were not a mistake paid on the part of the American taxpayer.  Ive taken a big leap and several steps in this peaceful parenting, universally preferable behavior environment.  

 

Justin, as an aside, could you elaborate on the Naval Academy experience?  I'm not sure how to interpret the statements.

 

The Bachelors Degree I received from the USNA were bonuses to my resume, but part of the reason I signed the dotted line was a glorified opportunity.  Like KallanDaMan said, it felt worse going through 4 years of college with the hope of earning a better future than if I stayed in my IT networking job with a promise of maintaining my place in the work force without losing out 5 years in the work force.  We were not allowed to work while attending.  

 

Now I work with refugees and before that I worked on a farm for three years.  Not the best use of all that education.  I hear Stef talk about his experience in daycare (where I am also working currently) and I understand we don't work the best jobs meeting our graduation qualifications after college due to heavy subsidizing.  Talking about it is a good start.  If college is a bad place for both women and men, why is it still being sought by so many who think you need college to get ahead?  Why not take the investment into a business instead and wind up with the same debt or at least have a store leftover to contribute.  

 

How do we help?  Awareness and talking about it is a good start and helping via evidence and open conversation.  I feel the tide of MGTOW and MRM helping to pull things back into equilibrium.  The market bubble popping will restore balance to men and give the K gene perspective some time to reign in the unlimited resources to finite.  I focus on family, getting the discussion going amongst friends and loved ones.  Finding those people willing to talk and not numb you out by watching the tv is a progress most rewarding for me.  How do you guys handle this conversation with others?  Ive talked with Rotary and others about getting groups started, I live in Sweden so are there any other ideas to start the conversation?  Thanks, Justin

[mlsv2f]

Perhaps my experience in college was unique, but I double majored in Accounting/Finance and minored in Economics and I'm glad I did so. Yes I took out debt to go, but 3 years out I earn enough to justify it based on any mathematical model I've made. Not to mention, my income is most likely going to increase as I increase in experience and my own professional development.

 

 

It may be because accounting is similar to a trade, so I learned a valuable skill in addition to a standard business degree, but it has helped be attain employment and well respected firms, taken me to about 18 different countries in which I have done work in, and allowed me to also freelance on the side/work with a few startups as they need an accounting work ranging from basic book keeping to helping to structure acquisitions.

 

 

In addition to the formal education, I was able to really socialize myself and learn how to speak better and adapt to a white collar setting. I know Steph has mentioned this in the show before, but when you come from a lower income area, being able to speak with people from wealthier areas or business professionals can be challenging at first. I also developed a pretty extensive network in college that has helped me in my career and personal life. Most of my peers are professionals or young business owners, but all graduated college.

 

 

In going to college, I would recommend the VERY maximum debt you get yourself into, be about 30k at the very most (assuming you are getting a professional degree or STEM degree).  Whether that’s utilizing scholarships, working while in school, going to community college at first, or limiting your options, it’s imperative you don’t saddle your 20s paying off college debt.

 

 

“Just start a business” isn’t just that easy. The knowledge of starting a viable company, running it, management of people, understanding the legal, regulatory and accounting framework you have to operate in, being able to see and predict costs that may areas, see potential new revenue streams, are all very difficult. I plan on running my own company someday, but I also understand that based on just three years’ experience in the workforce, there are many, many layers that go unseen when it comes to starting and running a company for the first time. If one is to say taking out 20k in student loans is risky, I think we need to acknowledge that starting a business at age 20 is likely just as, if not more risky. To each their own though, everyone is different. I would say it’s important to analyze your options depending on your plans/goals, but to completely throw out formal education past 18 years old, I would disagree with that. 

 

 

As far as the guy vs girl. I can only imagine its gotten worse, but most women teachers don’t care for male students, at least in my experience. I did very in school and especially well on my standardized tests and college entrance exams, but teachers typically gave me a hard time and I often lost points on more subjective grading areas. It probably doesn’t do well for young boy’s confidence when they are constantly being maligned by teachers and told how awful their male privilege is. Something must being going on, as this trend doesn't hold after college. Perhaps its as simple as maturity timelines being different.