South Carolina HS student 'bodyslammed' by SRO

[HeyMorpheus]

Didn't see this being discussed, so apologies if discussion exists.

 

For those that may not know, a SRO (school resource officer) attempted to remove a "disruptive" student from class last week. This was after the student was asked to leave class by both a teacher and school administrator. A friend that recorded the incident on her phone was also arrested.

 

All of this resulted in the police officer being fired yesterday.

 

What's everyone's opinion on this? The student refused to leave but I don't think it was necessary to slam her on the ground. What caused her to be so defiant in the first place? Something lead up to this and I haven't seen it discussed. The narrative, of course, is that she was being polite and minding her on business when a police officer descended on her of nowhere, like a meteor, and threw her on the ground. There has also been the usual race-baiting in my Facebook feed, though I'm not sure if that is trending nationally.

 

Was the officer justified or no? How should/could he have handled it differently?

 

 

 

Linkage: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/10/28/south-carolina-police-officer-who-flipped-student-out-of-her-chair-during-viral-arrest-expected-to-be-fired/

 

 

[labmath2]

As a black person (Nigerian), I am offended by the way the whole thing went down. No one asked if the officer was acting within the confines of his authority. No one explained how they would get her to leave. There is no mention (to my knowledge) of her parents thoughts on this.

 

Its just one of those situation that has no winners.

[dsayers]

For as long as we're asking how people should make use of their imaginary existence in a different, opposing moral category, we're not asking IF people can exist in different, opposing moral categories.

[Darknecrosforte]

Slam? Lifting the student very slightly and rotating her 90 degrees using the femur as a lever =/= slam. The alternatives would be way worse. He couldn't bearhug/raise her out of the desk completely  because that affords her better access to any weapons he probably had. He can't actually lift the whole desk with her in the seat either. He chose the most efficient way to get her out of the seat: tip it over. The escalation was not that abrupt in my opinion.

Should he just pull out a gun and tell her to get out of the seat? Less physical contact that way, but way worse reaction.

I'm assuming that cops generally have no option to just let people ignore their commands. Keeping that in mind, what other options did I miss?

[mlsv2f]

Just another example that the underlying threat behind EVERY law is this. Had she resisted further, she would have faced more injury..

 

These children are forced to be in the classroom, and are forced to comply, or this will happen. 

Slam? Lifting the student very slightly and rotating her 90 degrees using the femur as a lever =/= slam. The alternatives would be way worse. He couldn't bearhug/raise her out of the desk completely  because that affords her better access to any weapons he probably had. He can't actually lift the whole desk with her in the seat either. He chose the most efficient way to get her out of the seat: tip it over. The escalation was not that abrupt in my opinion.

Should he just pull out a gun and tell her to get out of the seat? Less physical contact that way, but way worse reaction.

I'm assuming that cops generally have no option to just let people ignore their commands. Keeping that in mind, what other options did I miss?

 

I think the other option seen is to not be a member of the uniformed Gestopo in the first place. When your job requires to use physical force on nonviolent children, who have no choice to be there in the first place, perhaps its time to rethink what exactly it is you are doing.

 

I just can't abide by the "hes just doing his job" mantra any longer. These guys know that this is what the job entails long before they sign up, and while they are employed. 

[Marlowe]

Everyone else in that video (who were black, by the way) was so quiet. My guess is they were all relieved that the disruptive girl was being removed from class; I know I would have been.

What were the alternatives to the cop's actions? Let the girl continue disrupting the class? And how else could the officer have removed her from class? Mind control powers?

[mlsv2f]

Everyone else in that video (who were black, by the way) was so quiet. My guess is they were all relieved that the disruptive girl was being removed from class; I know I would have been.

What were the alternatives to the cop's actions? Let the girl continue disrupting the class? And how else could the officer have removed her from class? Mind control powers?

 

I think this was what I was trying to get at, but at some point you have to hold the person accountable when they sign up for a corrupt and violent organization, under the premise that they will be participating in these actions.  For example, lets say we are both members of the soviet army under Stalin's rule and we are about to go firing squad on a dissenter. At the point where are officer orders use to lock and load, we really don't have a choice outside of joining the dissenters. The act is solidified when you sign up to do such a job, accept payment for said job, and continue to do the job after you have committed the act. (I understand this is much less severe than a firing squad, just trying to expand the example) 

 

There are thousands of guys like this cop out there who go to bed every night perfectly content with having done this, or doing this. (As well as thousands of teachers understanding the premise of forced schooling, whether they want to admit or not)

 

With that being said, the girl probably should have swallowed her pride and just left., At some point, you have to protect yourself from the dangers in life, and government uniformed thugs are one of those dangers. That would be the best long term solution. If you really want to get back at your teachers, just out earn them your first year out of college.

 

What gets me every time is that the black community as a whole, ALWAYS responds with these by running to the same government and voting in politicians that will make government more powerful and make them even more dependent on the government.

[mahayana]

When I first saw this brought up on the news, I assumed the girl was white because the caption on the screen read "Officer slams student to the ground". With the MSM, when a story involves a black person, that is always in the title. This was a first that I've seen. Independent of race, my reaction was sadness & disgust, not only for the girl but for the students that had to witness this event. Regardless of whether you consider it a slam or a gentle tipping to the floor, this should have never escalated as it did.

 

For one thing, what the fuck are SRO officers doing at a school in the first place? From what I heard, the schools in this area rely on police officers often to deal with kids. IMO, this is exactly why there's such an intense hatred for the cops in the black community. They're treated like criminals from the time they are children and the cycle of us vs them mentality is perpetuated.

 

If I'd been in charge at the school, I would've let the girl remain in the class (she wasn't being loud & disruptive, she just refused to put her phone away) and expelled her until she could agree to being in class without her phone. The SRO officer seemed strong. Couldn't he have just carried her out of the class in the chair? For most of these kids (and I'm assuming for the girl involved) it's not the school system that's failing them, it's the parents. That's the real issue the MSM will never bring up.

 

I think the other kids were quiet out of fear, not because they were relieved she was being dealt with. The girl that filmed was interviewed and said she didn't even know the girl and she was extremely quiet. For the SRO officer, he was just doing what officers do. The problem is in the schools reliance on them for dealing with non-criminal matters.

[Darknecrosforte]

Come on... WE know about NAP and morality, but arguing that a cop "should rethink what he's doing" is derailing the conversation. If not the cop, then the teacher would have to remove the student. At least with the cop, there's a chance that a person will comply with just a uniformed presence.

 

I wonder what would happen with increased expulsions due to these types of behaviors. Since funding is tied to attendance, it is unlikely to be viable, but for those who are appalled at low education-attaining brutes doing their jobs, this is a peaceful way to get disruptive students to not be in school. 

[Marlowe]

If I'd been in charge at the school, I would've let the girl remain in the class (she wasn't being loud & disruptive, she just refused to put her phone away)

 

If you allow students to break your rules, you'll be seen as weak. Not a good position for a teacher to be in. You must enforce your rules or the students will not respect your authority.

 

 

Couldn't he have just carried her out of the class in the chair?

 

Chair is attached to the desk. Don't think it's feasible to carry a desk, and a resisting person who is sitting in it, across the room and through a narrow doorway.

 

 

I think the other kids were quiet out of fear, not because they were relieved she was being dealt with.

 

Empirical evidence shows that this is very unlikely. I've never seen a video of this kind of police action where the people witnessing it didn't at least verbalize their disapproval. It's not just that they were quiet. Watch their body language too.

[mahayana]

If you allow students to break your rules, you'll be seen as weak. Not a good position for a teacher to be in. You must enforce your rules or the students will not respect your authority.

 

You left out the end of my sentence where I said she should be expelled.  If she chooses to not put the phone away, she receives the punishment of being expelled. No rule breaking being allowed there.

 

Chair is attached to the desk. Don't think it's feasible to carry a desk, and a resisting person who is sitting in it, across the room and through a narrow doorway.

It sounds more feasible to me than what the cop did.

 

 

"Empirical evidence shows that this is very unlikely. I've never seen a video of this kind of police action where the people witnessing it didn't at least verbalize their disapproval. It's not just that they were quiet. Watch their body language too."

 

I'm not sure what you're implying by their body language & silence. Is it that they were in agreement with the actions of the officer? That's contrary to what another student claimed in an interview. The opinions of her peers is completely irrelevant to whether or not the officer was justified in his actions.