FDR 3207: regarding the Jews and immigration.

[anagor]

Regarding the immigration to Israel and rest of the world.

Stephan had on numerous times said that the state of Israel was paying North African Jews to leave the country. As someone that lives in Israel, I was unable to find any reliable source for that and I would really love to see the ones that you have.

Also I think that saying that most Jews are for immigration is not correct as well if you take into account the largest Jewish group, the one that actually lives in Israel. Most of them are right leaning and very well against unfiltered immigration anywhere in the world not only Israel.

My spoken English is not good enough for a live interaction, however I would really like to discuss some of those issues either with Stephan or Michael.

 

Cheers and keep up the good work.

[shadownp]

caller avoided the multicultural question, but my opinion is that jews want muslim ghettos to be tolerated in europe, so this way muslim will have to tolerate jewish state and their religion in middle east. seems that this migration benefit jews.

[anagor]

The majority of Muslims won't tolerate Israel regardless of amount of Muslim ghettos in Europe.

On a contrary, the more Muslims there is in Europe, the more political power they have and so the less welcoming Israel and Jews are in Europe.

So this migration creates only additional headache for Israel as a state and Jews as a whole.

[DaveR]

I tend to agree with Ben Shapiro and his diagnosis of (american) Jewish attitudes towards immigration. He has noted that non-practicing/secular Jews tend to be leftist and pro-immigration and vote heavily Democratic. More Orthodox Jews tend to vote more Republican. FWIW in the UK Jews tend to vote Conservative, although the current conservative party is not very conservative, particularly on immigration.

 

Agreed about your point on Islamic immigration into Europe. A muslim majority europe will certainly not likely have Israel friendly intentions. Already in the UK the elected MP for Bradford West (heavily Muslim city, constituency was over 51% muslim at the point of the 2011 census, itself an over 50% increase on the 2001 census figures) advocated a ban on Israelis entering his city. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/08/07/ban-israeli-tourists-from-bradford-says-george-galloway_n_5657464.html

 

I think the Israeli government is aware of the direction things are going, and are not entirely sure of how to handle it. Events like Netanyahu going so far as to say Hitler 'only wanted to expel the Jews, it was a muslim demanding their annihilation' seem designed to speak implicity to the Germans about their immigration policies inviting in anti-jewish sentiment. Diplomatically, Netanyahu can't be seen to be directly telling the Germans what to do, but Netanyahu's recent appearance at the UN, glancing at minister Steinmeier while talking of anti-semitism in Europe seems a pretty clear "your immigration policies are inviting these attitudes into europe'

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/21/netanyahu-says-palestinian-gave-hitler-idea-for-the-holocaust/

[rosencrantz]

Here in Austria most of the Jewish organisations are pro immigration which should come as no surprise when you read Culture of Critique by Kevin MacDonald.