Rationality of rage / MGTOW

[dono14]

Hello.  I am a fairly intelligent white male and find myself fairly ostracized by society.  I understand the MGTOW movement via living near a college campus for a while, and inner cities to that previously ( my sexual market value was low in both places, despite Stef's arguments.  I think his age and location have insulated him from the degree to which younger women in the US have been propagandized and advertised to pursue one of three categories: the non-white, the weak (read SJWs that are rail-thin), and the dirty ( skeezy men )).

 

Much like the last show's caller, the guy who moved to Cambodia, I get the idea of being low to middle income in America (relative to an area, NYC obviously having heavy competition).  Women seemed to really get off on having some dumb-ass or clearly deficient person to have around, and really seem to get excited in my opinion when some decently put-together person comes along.  It seems like they get off on the nihilism of knowing they can always throw themselves after the next person who comes along, or pump out a kid and latch onto the government.  I get the impression that associating with someone who can hold a conversation and is intelligent is fundamentally off-putting as it conflicts with their narcissism (the better looking ones).  Obviously, the more attractive women are agreed with by the desparate white knights, which greatly decreases their incentive to have good contact with reality, speaking probabilistically.  The basic dynamic I see is that they would rather associate with someone who is easy to control than not.

 

In any case, the underlying intent of my post is to query the wider group as to whether they think rage is a reasonable response to this.  In my personal experience, I once attempted to hold a woman to account for being dishonest and was attacked by a swarm of sycophants and white knights.  It shared a disturbing parallel to a childhood experience where a best friend in grade school, a female before puberty (I'm male), whose parents were wealthy and professional (medical) but leftist wrote me off abruptly for being middle class and plunged into an exploration of who I viewed as fairly abusive, underhanded people who played the class card very hard.

 

I suppose a related tangent is along the lines of the degree to which white western women have totally abandoned their own kind, and feel no shame about doing horrible things to the people who work insane hours and give up years of their primes in study carrels to dig through fascinating but dry details of how to get an iPhone (fundamentally a sex toy for girls) to work.

 

I get the impression that Stef, as an actor originally, and hailing from the great white north, misses much of the experience of the rest of us, sailing above on an early hit of wealth, acting training for interacting with people before learning the tech stuff, etc.

 

Just fishing generally for ideas.  I suppose, with Trump and whatnot, to what degree are we being cowards in suppressing our rage for fear of career and personal life problems.  I've lost a couple jobs and relationships already from sticking to FDR-type principles, but this one about confronting women about their unethical behavior is I think an edge case even for the free-thinking community.

[ValueOfBrevity]

the underlying intent of my post is to query the wider group as to whether they think rage is a reasonable response to this...

this one about confronting women about their unethical behavior

What is this unethical behavior you are attributing to women?

Choosing partners is a voluntary process.

 

Does it make you angry that they aren't interested in you?

 

 

[dsayers]

the underlying intent of my post is to query the wider group as to whether they think rage is a reasonable response to this.  In my personal experience, I once attempted to hold a woman to account for being dishonest and was attacked by a swarm of sycophants and white knights.

First of all, be careful with your words. I view the word "rage" as dysfunctional. Did you mean pronounced anger? Anger is a very healthy emotion, so long as it doesn't motivate one to rage.

 

Secondly, on what platform did you attempt to hold somebody accountable for being dishonest that others could interject at all? If I suspect that somebody is being dishonest, I prefer to question them privately. That way if there's a misunderstanding, it's not publicized. Or if the person is willing to address it, they're not shamed for what becomes the opportunity for growth. If it turns out that they were deliberate and unwilling to address it, THEN if circumstances require it, you can let others know of their indiscretion. What do you think of that?

[ObserveandReport]

What is this unethical behavior you are attributing to women?

Choosing partners is a voluntary process.

 

Does it make you angry that they aren't interested in you?

 

 

="u mad bro?"

[Toys4]

Hello.  I am a fairly intelligent white male and find myself fairly ostracized by society.  I understand the MGTOW movement via living near a college campus for a while, and inner cities to that previously ( my sexual market value was low in both places, despite Stef's arguments.  I think his age and location have insulated him from the degree to which younger women in the US have been propagandized and advertised to pursue one of three categories: the non-white, the weak (read SJWs that are rail-thin), and the dirty ( skeezy men )).

 

Much like the last show's caller, the guy who moved to Cambodia, I get the idea of being low to middle income in America (relative to an area, NYC obviously having heavy competition).  Women seemed to really get off on having some dumb-ass or clearly deficient person to have around, and really seem to get excited in my opinion when some decently put-together person comes along.  It seems like they get off on the nihilism of knowing they can always throw themselves after the next person who comes along, or pump out a kid and latch onto the government.  I get the impression that associating with someone who can hold a conversation and is intelligent is fundamentally off-putting as it conflicts with their narcissism (the better looking ones).  Obviously, the more attractive women are agreed with by the desparate white knights, which greatly decreases their incentive to have good contact with reality, speaking probabilistically.  The basic dynamic I see is that they would rather associate with someone who is easy to control than not.

 

In any case, the underlying intent of my post is to query the wider group as to whether they think rage is a reasonable response to this.  In my personal experience, I once attempted to hold a woman to account for being dishonest and was attacked by a swarm of sycophants and white knights.  It shared a disturbing parallel to a childhood experience where a best friend in grade school, a female before puberty (I'm male), whose parents were wealthy and professional (medical) but leftist wrote me off abruptly for being middle class and plunged into an exploration of who I viewed as fairly abusive, underhanded people who played the class card very hard.

 

I suppose a related tangent is along the lines of the degree to which white western women have totally abandoned their own kind, and feel no shame about doing horrible things to the people who work insane hours and give up years of their primes in study carrels to dig through fascinating but dry details of how to get an iPhone (fundamentally a sex toy for girls) to work.

 

I get the impression that Stef, as an actor originally, and hailing from the great white north, misses much of the experience of the rest of us, sailing above on an early hit of wealth, acting training for interacting with people before learning the tech stuff, etc.

 

Just fishing generally for ideas.  I suppose, with Trump and whatnot, to what degree are we being cowards in suppressing our rage for fear of career and personal life problems.  I've lost a couple jobs and relationships already from sticking to FDR-type principles, but this one about confronting women about their unethical behavior is I think an edge case even for the free-thinking community.

 

I don't think rage is acceptable... Understandable... but not reasonable and for sure its not acceptable because its going to put you in a bad place mentally, emotionally and much worse if it goes on to long. Rage can bring out your worse. Be carful. When you've gotten to the point where you're feeling rage, its time to take a step back, reaccess your self what you are doing and the people you interact with. From your post... it seems like your human interaction with others (mainly women) seems to be more confrontation and not enough comfort.

 

I should ask.

 

What do you want in terms of connection?

 

Do you want to be MGTOW or do you to be with a woman?

[Toys4]

Hello.  I am a fairly intelligent white male and find myself fairly ostracized by society.  I understand the MGTOW movement via living near a college campus for a while, and inner cities to that previously ( my sexual market value was low in both places, despite Stef's arguments.  I think his age and location have insulated him from the degree to which younger women in the US have been propagandized and advertised to pursue one of three categories: the non-white, the weak (read SJWs that are rail-thin), and the dirty ( skeezy men )).

 

Much like the last show's caller, the guy who moved to Cambodia, I get the idea of being low to middle income in America (relative to an area, NYC obviously having heavy competition).  Women seemed to really get off on having some dumb-ass or clearly deficient person to have around, and really seem to get excited in my opinion when some decently put-together person comes along.  It seems like they get off on the nihilism of knowing they can always throw themselves after the next person who comes along, or pump out a kid and latch onto the government.  I get the impression that associating with someone who can hold a conversation and is intelligent is fundamentally off-putting as it conflicts with their narcissism (the better looking ones).  Obviously, the more attractive women are agreed with by the desparate white knights, which greatly decreases their incentive to have good contact with reality, speaking probabilistically.  The basic dynamic I see is that they would rather associate with someone who is easy to control than not.

 

In any case, the underlying intent of my post is to query the wider group as to whether they think rage is a reasonable response to this.  In my personal experience, I once attempted to hold a woman to account for being dishonest and was attacked by a swarm of sycophants and white knights.  It shared a disturbing parallel to a childhood experience where a best friend in grade school, a female before puberty (I'm male), whose parents were wealthy and professional (medical) but leftist wrote me off abruptly for being middle class and plunged into an exploration of who I viewed as fairly abusive, underhanded people who played the class card very hard.

 

I suppose a related tangent is along the lines of the degree to which white western women have totally abandoned their own kind, and feel no shame about doing horrible things to the people who work insane hours and give up years of their primes in study carrels to dig through fascinating but dry details of how to get an iPhone (fundamentally a sex toy for girls) to work.

 

I get the impression that Stef, as an actor originally, and hailing from the great white north, misses much of the experience of the rest of us, sailing above on an early hit of wealth, acting training for interacting with people before learning the tech stuff, etc.

 

Just fishing generally for ideas.  I suppose, with Trump and whatnot, to what degree are we being cowards in suppressing our rage for fear of career and personal life problems.  I've lost a couple jobs and relationships already from sticking to FDR-type principles, but this one about confronting women about their unethical behavior is I think an edge case even for the free-thinking community.

 

 

I don't think rage is reasonable....sometimes under circumstances its understandable but not reasonable. Rage can potentially bring a lot of bad things for you. When you're in a situation, and its getting to the point where you're feeling rage you have to stand back re access your self and who you're involving yourself around that's causing you rage. By your post it seems like you're constantly around people who you are in confrontation with and not enough people who bring you comfort.

 

I have ask first.

 

because you didn't outright say that you were MGTOW.

 

Are you a MGTOW? Is that something you seek to be? Do you want relations with a woman? it seems like you want to be with a woman but aren't encouraged much of it because the women you're around.

[Frosty]

Hello.  I am a fairly intelligent white male and find myself fairly ostracized by society.  I understand the MGTOW movement via living near a college campus for a while, and inner cities to that previously ( my sexual market value was low in both places, despite Stef's arguments.  I think his age and location have insulated him from the degree to which younger women in the US have been propagandized and advertised to pursue one of three categories: the non-white, the weak (read SJWs that are rail-thin), and the dirty ( skeezy men )).

 

Much like the last show's caller, the guy who moved to Cambodia, I get the idea of being low to middle income in America (relative to an area, NYC obviously having heavy competition).  Women seemed to really get off on having some dumb-ass or clearly deficient person to have around, and really seem to get excited in my opinion when some decently put-together person comes along.  It seems like they get off on the nihilism of knowing they can always throw themselves after the next person who comes along, or pump out a kid and latch onto the government.  I get the impression that associating with someone who can hold a conversation and is intelligent is fundamentally off-putting as it conflicts with their narcissism (the better looking ones).  Obviously, the more attractive women are agreed with by the desparate white knights, which greatly decreases their incentive to have good contact with reality, speaking probabilistically.  The basic dynamic I see is that they would rather associate with someone who is easy to control than not.

 

In any case, the underlying intent of my post is to query the wider group as to whether they think rage is a reasonable response to this.  In my personal experience, I once attempted to hold a woman to account for being dishonest and was attacked by a swarm of sycophants and white knights.  It shared a disturbing parallel to a childhood experience where a best friend in grade school, a female before puberty (I'm male), whose parents were wealthy and professional (medical) but leftist wrote me off abruptly for being middle class and plunged into an exploration of who I viewed as fairly abusive, underhanded people who played the class card very hard.

 

I suppose a related tangent is along the lines of the degree to which white western women have totally abandoned their own kind, and feel no shame about doing horrible things to the people who work insane hours and give up years of their primes in study carrels to dig through fascinating but dry details of how to get an iPhone (fundamentally a sex toy for girls) to work.

 

I get the impression that Stef, as an actor originally, and hailing from the great white north, misses much of the experience of the rest of us, sailing above on an early hit of wealth, acting training for interacting with people before learning the tech stuff, etc.

 

Just fishing generally for ideas.  I suppose, with Trump and whatnot, to what degree are we being cowards in suppressing our rage for fear of career and personal life problems.  I've lost a couple jobs and relationships already from sticking to FDR-type principles, but this one about confronting women about their unethical behavior is I think an edge case even for the free-thinking community.

 

Rage/anger is considered to be a fairly common part of swallowing the Red pill on gender dynamics. I would offer an explanation that anger comes from actually being lied to quite heavily throughout your life about how men and women are, and that when you discover those lies by starting to understand the real nature of women that can be a very angry and bitter time.

 

However I don't think it's reasonable to be angry at women for their behaviour, they're just behaving in ways which their biology informs them, it's probably not what you thought it would be and that sucks but ultimately its up to them to decide to how to live their lives and for us to accept that providing they're not harming anyone else. In other words you ought to be angry with the deceit and not the truth, you're not angry at women you're angry at myriad of little lies that lead you to a false understanding of their nature, and probably a bit angry at yourself for falling for it.

What you really need to ask yourself is how do you as a man respond to this. You really have several different options, continue to have faith in blue pill reasoning and pursue women and risk that mess. Go your own way (MGTOW) and just opt out of relationships which is what I do. Or you can go full PUA and use your new found understanding of women to sleep with as many of them as you can for your own pleasure, providing you're not coercing or being fraudulent then that's not in violation of the NAP.

 

One thing is for sure, anger is a legitimate response to injustice and that's fine to express that and get it out your system, places like MGTOW forums where you can just blow through the lines ranting about women are fantastic for this. But if you want to remain healthy emotionally you need to get past that phase, once the bitterness of the red pill is gone you ought to be left with a new (and more accurate) view on life and be in a better position to get what you want, after all to get what you want requires agency and agency comes from rationally understand reality around you so you can manipulate it to your advantage.

 

Having swallowed the red pill something like 5+ years ago and knowing many other men who are post-bitterness I can say that the anger tends to be relatively short lived and women stop being something of a romantic interest and come across...well for me I increasingly get the feeling that a large number of women are "playing" adults in the same way that a child "plays" chef or mechanic. It's more superficial than anything, but if you actually look at things adults do like take responsibility for their actions, have agency, make decisions with consequences rather than rely on safety nets (of parents, government, spouse, whatever) etc, I don't often find this with women.