How Feminism Destroyed Europe Reaction

[Rummycat]

I just watched the "How Feminism Destroyed Europe." I'm not quite sure what to make of it. I can't stop thinking about it and I'm wondering why something like a peaceful conversation could make me feel so anxious and upset.

I came from a very conservative religious household. My ACE score was 4 and I absolutely hated my parents. I remember wishing, at 12years old, for my father to die in a car crash because I was tired of being hit with a belt, berated, and screamed at.  My mother was pretty much the same as him only not nearly as frightening to me. As an adult, she is just as much at fault for being a horrible person to bring me into this world to be a trash bin for their insecurities and frustrations to be dumped into. Needless to say, I have problems with self confidence and being certain of anything.

These days, I start to seethe with anger, contempt, and frustration when I hear someone extol the virtues of their unproven faiths. I can't stand listening to someone talk about the virtues of faith and how secularism leads to death and destruction.  I am not the kind of atheist who enjoys making fun of religious groups nor do I feel like I scream at other people who are religious. But, this visceral anger rages inside of me. I'm sure it comes from my childhood and the people that abused me as a child and made me feel like crap. At the same time, I know that not all of Christianity and other peaceful religions aren't inherently evil. But these are the people that said "god is good, god is love, Catholics are the beacon of truth and light in the world," and all the while making me feel like I was worthless and evil.

What must I do to overcome this? I get that video is about waking Europe up and trying to turn back the tidal wave of blood that will expunge all that western civilization has fought and died for. How can I subdue this anger or help it find its real target?

[MiraiRonin]

Hi Rummycat.

 

For overcoming this, the first thing I'd advise is cutting yourself some slack You had some hideous experiences in your childhood, for which you get both massive sympathy and massive props for being able to consciously recognise them (and not Iben Thranholm or her arguments) as the source of your emotions. There's no need to pour acid in the wound by punishing yourself for feeling the way you do. All through your childhood your growing brain was doing its job, it was analysing negative experiences and the circumstances that surrounded them, looking for red flags that would ready it to fight back in the future. When Thranholm started on about how Christianity was necessary to be a good person, your unconscious recognised the warning signs and opened the adrenalin and cortisol valves, making you angry and readying you to fight or run away.

 

Now, I'm sure you're already aware of this, but your parents weren't evil because they were Christian. Your parents would have been horrible if they'd been atheist, sikh, muslim, shinto, buddhist (yes, even buddhist; see Stef's presentation on the Dalai Lama if you need proof), zoroastrian or anything else. They weren't evil because they were Christian, they're evil because they were evil. They were evil because they abused their privileged position as your parents to inflict abuse on you that they'd gladly inflict on everyone they met, if they thought they could get away with it. 

 

Now, you want a way to ease the anger or re-designate its target. All the above leaves me with the belief that anger with Christianity overlaps heavily with anger at your parents, and if you can heal the latter the former would be much easier to manage. The procedure for that is pretty standard; therapy, eventually followed by honest conversation and if necessary confrontation with your parents. If they admit to the harm they did you and make meaningful recompense, well and good. If not, well, you've put the evil they've done onto them and you can put them and it in the rear-view, and enable yourself to deal rationally with the problems of the rest of the world.

[ProfessionalTeabagger]

I'm very sorry for the extreme abuse you suffered. Your parents are criminals.

 

Your anger at those who profess the virtue of their faith is justified. My attitude towards Christianity has softened considerably but from time to time I feel nauseated when I hear some pompous Christian supporting child beating or talking about the great virtues of believing something that contradicts the evidence. 

 

When I listened to the video I felt pretty uncomfortable with the idea of using faith to give purpose and strength back to Europe. 

Now, I'm sure you're already aware of this, but your parents weren't evil because they were Christian. Your parents would have been horrible if they'd been atheist, sikh, muslim, shinto, buddhist (yes, even buddhist; see Stef's presentation on the Dalai Lama if you need proof), zoroastrian or anything else. They weren't evil because they were Christian, they're evil because they were evil.

 

It's quite possible the Christianity contributed to their evil and justified it. The Bible does advocate child abuse. 

[Rummycat]

Thank you so much for your response. Most of what you are saying makes sense.  I'm not sure if I am quibbling too much when I say correct a couple of things. But I feel that I would be self censoring if I didn't get it out in the open. At least if I do get these out there, It can be brought to my attention that I would be quibbling. (Honestly I feel as if my biggest problem right now is feedback from a sane "tribe.")

1 My parents  were evil and I feel as if Christianity compounded that and made it worse. Just punishment is good and holy and purifies the soul. God Corporeally punished therefore Corporeal punishment is good.  They reassure themselves with complete and total iron clad ignorance of only surrounding themselves with the fire and brimstone types. (i.e. severely dysfunctional people who also happen to be attracted to those parts of Christianity.) God is a Big Righteous Republican ready to punish the whole world because of the gays and porn.

Where were the good Christians to at least bring some resistance or push-back on these lunatics?  These are the same people who are now claiming that a lack of God is destroying civilization never pushed back against what really matters. (sorry it is a bit of a generalization, but it’s how I think about it) I know my parents are the source of this rage but I can't but help feel angry when hearing about the virtues of Christianity. In my life there were as present as love and affection for my youth, rare to non-existent.

2 They were really only nasty and asinine to their kids. I was the oldest boy, in a family of 5 boys and two girls. I don't know if it is assuming to say that I bore the brunt of their abuse. I feel as if I did. My parents were passionate about one thing and one thing only, being the best catholic and making the best catholic friends.  Funny how they made all these friends but kept all their "virtue" to themselves and their circle.  Obviously on some level this would be admitting their values were crap.

My parents were really Catholic savvy, could argue theology until the sun came up and portray themselves as very holy Catholics. Why?! Why couldn’t the champions of virtue and beacons of light not seen through this charade?

3 Some of these steps I have taken. Therapy, I am working on. I listen to Stefan and other such sources as much I can. I want to go to therapy but I am trying to be independent from everyone I ever knew for obvious reasons. Money is extremely tight but I am working my ass off right now at a tech company that has huge ambitions and I think they stand a pretty decent chance at dominating the market. So therapy is definitely going to happen, but it is going to have to wait for now.  

I have honestly conveyed to my parents how I felt growing up. All they give me is the usual excuses.  “Hindsight 20/20” was the closest I think I will get to an “apology.” Quite frankly, I don’t really feel like pursuing a relationship with these people. One big issue is that, at about 20, I realised I had bisexual inclinations. So them being hardcore Catholic, and me being…. well..., I don’t really see this working out.  I don’t think that a time traveling Jesus could convince them to change.  Frankly I don’t have the patience to continue a relationship with self serving supposed zealots for Christ. I honestly feel like I would rather live on the street than take a slim penny from them ever again.  If someone can make them sane, fine. I don’t think I can do it.  I can’t fix crazy.  

I am putting them in my rearview. I gave them the option of contacting me if they want to have a real conversation and talk about things openly. They have yet to call me. At some point I will change my number and move on.
 

This was incredibly lengthy. If you have made it this far, you have my sincerest thanks.  If you are inclined to send me feedback, I would greatly appreciate it. I don’t have all the answers and I don’t have much contact with people of self knowledge, philosophical backgrounds or just some damn honesty.

I'm very sorry for the extreme abuse you suffered. Your parents are criminals.

 

Your anger at those who profess the virtue of their faith is justified. My attitude towards Christianity has softened considerably but from time to time I feel nauseated when I hear some pompous Christian supporting child beating or talking about the great virtues of believing something that contradicts the evidence. 

 

When I listened to the video I felt pretty uncomfortable with the idea of using faith to give purpose and strength back to Europe. 

 

It's quite possible the Christianity contributed to their evil and justified it. The Bible does advocate child abuse. 

Thank you for your sympathies. I really do mean that.

 

I do feel like Christianity is partially to blame as well. But again, my atheistic alternative.... mostly comprised of statists. Present company excluded.  I have been to numerous christian bbq's, of which i did manage to have some positive experiences from, but have yet to go to an atheistic bbq where people talk about shit that matters, rather than getting drunk off their asses. 

 

Honestly, I think it would be great if I saw more of "my people" trying to get together half as much as Christians do.

[jah]

I come from a Catholic family too and had similar problems too although not as severe I suspect.

 

The best way to get over it is to try and find out why your parents were the way they were.  In my case, there are various inherited genetic issues which resulted in health problems which affected behaviour.  Once you understand that it is a physical illness and not some kind of inherent evil which made your parents the way they were it goes a long way to helping you to understand why these things happened to you.  You can then perhaps understand your own issues better, explore your own health issues and perhaps resolve them.

 

Please take a look at my thread about Nutrition, behaviour, etc.