Mbdelta Posted April 30, 2016 Posted April 30, 2016 I'm becomingly overwhelmingly disgusted by the lawlessness and absolute disdain for common sense being demonstrated by the regressive American left. I live on the San Francisco peninsula, so most of my neighbors, peers, and many friends are regressive leftists. Today, Donald Trump gave the keynote speech to the California GOP Convention and a sizable protest caused traffic to block up, they burned American flags, toted Mexican flags, ranted and raved about how terrible white males are, and insulted the very essence of common sense and reason. Here's some clips for you folks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWzPtF1B7Wo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USORHBUmN4k A very similar pseudo-riot took place in Southern California last night, where a police car was ruined, Trump supporters were assaulted, and property was vandalized. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tNQ9upvMTk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjamIfoVkfY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXpJXKCUiHc Last year, it was documented that latinos now outnumber whites in California (source). I'm absolutely for legal immigration so long as the immigrants assimilate to American culture and follow our laws. But many of the people coming into my state are doing the opposite. Protesters at both of these rallies were waving Mexican flags and burning American flags. A total insult to the country that protects and cares for them. Where is this going to go? The media does not report on much of this. Is American culture doomed to be demolished? Are whites doomed to choke their own culture to death in an effort to promote diversity? Will I, a High School Student, be able to send my children one day to the High School I now attend without fear of them being mocked and brutalized for their "whiteness?" What can be done to fight this scourge that seems to be rampaging through the fruited plains? I am saddened and disgusted by what I am seeing and am all to afraid that the America I believe in and love will not be there for my descendants, and probably even myself.. Is the only option that may be available to us civil war? I'd like to hear what my fellow free-thinkers have to say! Go TRUMP!
RichardY Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 The Flag burning one seemed surprising to me, normally think of Americans as hand on heart national anthem type people, could understand flag burning during Vietnam. But, Trump hasn't even been elected yet, why do they hate the guy so much? My thoughts are you can't even negotiate with these people, they're worse than mosquitoes, makes me think of school and some of the idiots there. The only thing that crossed my mind when Trump said he was running for president was a clip from the movie Deadzone. Anyway, Go Trump, the only candidate with Cojones!
ObserveandReport Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 The Mexican-American war was one of aggression by the US. You are occupying foreign land. Ought they not be upset? 5
Crallask Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 The Mexican-American war was one of aggression by the US. You are occupying foreign land. Ought they not be upset? It was all captured by Spain anyways, so by that logic the Castillians should be the ones upset that Mexico isn't paying them taxes directly. Besides, I don't see a lot of these Chicanos stepping up for the rights of the tribes who occupied this region before the Spanish arrived - they want it for themselves. 3
Guest Gee Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 The Mexican-American war was one of aggression by the US. You are occupying foreign land. Ought they not be upset? Do you make that same argument about Isreal? 1
ObserveandReport Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 Do you make that same argument about Isreal? Yep, except for the large swath of land that were purchased freely. Oh and the uninhabited portions that were then worked by Israelis, considering many of the inhabitants prior were actually nomadic and didn't work the land, but survived off it nun the less. Locke would probably say the vast systems of irrigation of largely unused land would go to the Israelis. Those parts won in aggressive wars by Israel were immorally possessed. However, much of the contested land was won in the 6 day war (a defensive war for Israel)....so things get real screwy real quick. It was all captured by Spain anyways, so by that logic the Castillians should be the ones upset that Mexico isn't paying them taxes directly. Besides, I don't see a lot of these Chicanos stepping up for the rights of the tribes who occupied this region before the Spanish arrived - they want it for themselves. Fair assessment. On the other hand, who knows to what extent they share the blood of Native Americans. Don't get me wrong, I think waving a Mexican flag as an immigrant is pure idiocy. I also think acting as though these people are truly "alien" is a bit heavy handed.
Guest Gee Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 Yep, except for the large swath of land that were purchased freely. Oh and the uninhabited portions that were then worked by Israelis, considering many of the inhabitants prior were actually nomadic and didn't work the land, but survived off it nun the less. Locke would probably say the vast systems of irrigation of largely unused land would go to the Israelis. Those parts won in aggressive wars by Israel were immorally possessed. However, much of the contested land was won in the 6 day war (a defensive war for Israel)....so things get real screwy real quick. Oy vey! Can't fault the consistency.
ObserveandReport Posted May 1, 2016 Posted May 1, 2016 Oy vey! Can't fault the consistency. lol I feel like there's a "but...." there somewhere. Just to make sure I wasn't making things up, I went and googled a bit. Turns out, as of 1944 6% of Israel had been purchased for tens of millions. 6% doesn't sound like a lot until you see that it is mostly where people live now. Not trying to excuse the aggression, but separate the aggression from the free market. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_PalestineIt's actually funny you should bring up consistency. A friend of mine and I were discussing the virtues of consistency. He praised Scalia for his wit, I praised him for his consistency. He replied that consistency is overrated. I said that if you are trying to affect laws that have moral implications and ramifications, consistency is probably a good thing in general. He responded that consistency, for it's own sake, may be overrated and outright obstructive to the nuances of this very complicated life. While I don't disagree that inconsistencies and dissonance isn't always bad, I'd like to think that if the context gets wide enough, everything becomes consistent. What are your thoughts? (sorry for the digression, feel free to ignore it)
Crallask Posted May 2, 2016 Posted May 2, 2016 Fair assessment. On the other hand, who knows to what extent they share the blood of Native Americans. Don't get me wrong, I think waving a Mexican flag as an immigrant is pure idiocy. I also think acting as though these people are truly "alien" is a bit heavy handed. What does that change? It's still just them trying to guilt trip others to get shit for free. They want the benefits of the labor of the European migrants. AFAIK none of these groups consented to Spanish conquest, or Mexican conquest, or even American conquest. I can't change the past but I can at least try to support growing a healthy economy that would give those hard done by history a chance for a better life. Things such as better medical technology would also be nice, but we're not gonna get there if we let ourselves get drowned in the bottomless desire for resources without effort that is inherent to all mammals. 2
ObserveandReport Posted May 2, 2016 Posted May 2, 2016 What does that change? It's still just them trying to guilt trip others to get shit for free. They want the benefits of the labor of the European migrants. I can't change the past but I can at least try to support growing a healthy economy that would give those hard done by history a chance for a better life. Things such as better medical technology would also be nice, but we're not gonna get there if we let ourselves get drowned in the bottomless desire for resources without effort that is inherent to all mammals. Fascinating. How did you embed the picture? Also, I'm for those things of course. I just like to try and keep perspective. This has added too it. 1
Crallask Posted May 2, 2016 Posted May 2, 2016 Fascinating. How did you embed the picture? Also, I'm for those things of course. I just like to try and keep perspective. This has added too it. There should be a tiny thumbnail of what appears to be a picture beside of the <> icon. You just click that and insert a direct link to an image. Glad I was able to help your perspective.
Guest Gee Posted May 5, 2016 Posted May 5, 2016 lol I feel like there's a "but...." there somewhere. Just to make sure I wasn't making things up, I went and googled a bit. Turns out, as of 1944 6% of Israel had been purchased for tens of millions. 6% doesn't sound like a lot until you see that it is mostly where people live now. Not trying to excuse the aggression, but separate the aggression from the free market. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_PalestineIt's actually funny you should bring up consistency. A friend of mine and I were discussing the virtues of consistency. He praised Scalia for his wit, I praised him for his consistency. He replied that consistency is overrated. I said that if you are trying to affect laws that have moral implications and ramifications, consistency is probably a good thing in general. He responded that consistency, for it's own sake, may be overrated and outright obstructive to the nuances of this very complicated life. While I don't disagree that inconsistencies and dissonance isn't always bad, I'd like to think that if the context gets wide enough, everything becomes consistent. What are your thoughts? (sorry for the digression, feel free to ignore it) Sort of, no but. And this isn't an attempt at an argument. I don't know how well the Jewish population would fare in that region of the world were it not for some pretty big initiations of force in order to establish the Israeli state. My understanding is that Islam is tremendously anti semantic or, if you will, should the Muslims put down their arms there would be peace, if the Israeli's did there would be genocide. I would suppose, if you view the self determination of the Jewish people as a good thing, which I very much do, then in the absence of some pretty egregious initiations of force it doesn't exist (argument from effect I know). Your aside on consistency is very interesting! It's leads I think to the topic of UPB and hypocrisy, of which Kevin Beal is a far superior writer than I (check out his posts in philosophy, he's made some very good posts on the topic and is a great guy). But it is such a big topic I don't want to really delve into it, I could lose days! Here is a very good podcast on inconsistency by Stef if you're interested. http://www.fdrpodcasts.com/#/3240/the-secret-about-nitpickers-what-they-wont-tell-you
aviet Posted May 6, 2016 Posted May 6, 2016 These liberation-narrative-communist-types make a lot of noise, but they are relatively small in number. It's obviously a bit more prevalent in the US, partly due to funding from Soros, but there are similar groups in the UK. One group that makes a lot of noise in the UK is called United Against Fascism, a specialist in fascist techniques such as assaulting speakers and trying to shut down speaking events. They get far more media coverage than they deserve, including mainstream interviews. However, if you check out their Alex rank:http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/uaf.org.ukThey probably don't get more than about 30-40 visits/day.Recently I saw an article covering some insanity of the UK Green Party youth brigade. A look at their Alexa shows they probaly struggle to get more than 10 visits/day:http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/www.younggreens.org.ukSimilar groups in the US are worse and have more attention, but even BLM get no more than about 1,000 visits/day:http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/blacklivesmatter.comThey've had far more coverage than they deserve because of their antics and insanity.Also. The people who are members of these groups are generally under thirty. University students. And they have little voice and many will be recanting in a few years. In the UK, probably the most stoic old-fashioned conservative writer, Peter Hitches (brother of Christopher), was a committed Marxist as a youngster.I think we're currently whitensing the insane death throws of the regressive left. Their policies are an utter failure. People are waking up and realising there is no need to pay for these insane failure. And the insanity is the last gasp as they try and keep hold.See the epic decline of the left in Europe: https://i.imgsafe.org/292d718.pngThey've been hammering nails into their own coffin for years.
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