AnAmericanComposer Posted June 5, 2016 Posted June 5, 2016 Hello everyone! This is my first post on the forums here, and I'm very excited to get into the discussion. I figured for my grand entrance, I would open with a social science theory that I've built over the last couple weeks, but haven't told anyone. HISTORY OF IDENTITY POLITICS... So, if we were to look at an incredibly loose history of identity politics (IP), I think a logical beginning would be around the time of the Suffragettes. They fought for the right for women to vote. The same thing happened with the black community, allowing them to vote. I've noticed that when the big civil rights movements were happening - Women, Black people, Homosexuals - they fought for equal rights on the grounds that, "hey, we're not monsters. Being [insert] doesn't make me a bad person." And indeed, it didn't. So, for the longest time, people said, in essence, "Who are you to judge me for being black? There's nothing wrong with being black!" This first- and second-wave feminism and black rights were revolutionary, and truly established freedom where someone who was healthy and happy didn't have to be ashamed for simply existing. PRESENT DAY... Nowadays, people fight for things that are in a completely different realm from what the classical reformists fought against. Fat-shaming immediately comes to mind. A person fighting for fat-acceptance is not fighting for the same long-battled-for equal rights a person fighting for legal liberation of blacks is. There are reasons that 'fatness' is considered unappealing to the general public: it is a sign of laziness, possibly bad hygiene, poor management of habits, and many potential health issues. What I notice is, a giant group of black people can't vote, and want to. Their existence isn't damaging inasmuch fat-accepting is. I get this idea that someone one day said: "I don't like being fat, but I don't want to put in the effort to fix it. I know that I am unhealthy, but I don't have the will-power to fix it." Some social justice warrior comes along, said: "Hey! Don't talk like that! There is nothing wrong with being fat. You are perfect exactly the way you are. If everyone doesn't think you look gorgeous, it is their fault." This idea put into people's mind tells them that it is okay to be unhealthy, and that they should be viewed with the same valor that a thinner person would be. I am not implying that fat people should self-flagellate and fill themselves with internal malice, but certainly no sane, self-aware person would try to imply that all of the work that has been done on the 'war on obesity' is for naught? That they've been WRONG, all WRONG all along? You backwards people, don't you know that Fat is Fit? The fat person of fifty years ago was different than the one today. The one in history would have been told (or shown through public interaction) that their lack of health isn't acceptable. They would have been aware of their problems, and worked at fixing them. The fat person of 2016 is told that they're perfect the way they are, and should only associate with people that will hold up the blinders to reality that they've constructed for themselves. The modern social reform and IP is a way of letting people live unhealthy lives, and convincing them that anyone trying to help them are 'haters' and 'bigots'. It replaces self-awareness for absolute delusion. WHAT'S THE FUTURE? I think this idea of delusion and intellectual dishonesty dictating our daily interactions and redefining health will continue to contaminate our society. I am preparing myself to find the next big social movement calling for "acceptance of depression", or "AIDS is beautiful". Depression is a horrendous affliction, and I have many family members that suffer from it. I can appreciate that what they're going through isn't 'normal', nor 'healthy', and through the way we interact in the household as well as taking medication and seeking therapy, they are self-aware of their problems and are working to fix them. But, fixing depression is hard. Who's to say that someone won't say, "Hey! Don't think that way! There's nothing wrong with being depressed. You just are a bit more serious than other people are. People should accept you for who you are! People who are trying to change you with drugs and therapy are bigots and haters, and you should reject them." This "Accept Depression" movement will not only make people more willing and ready to identify as depressed (not necessarily bad, if they then take steps to fix it, but in this scenario they wouldn't), but it will also delude them into thinking that they are healthy and don't need to fix themselves. They will pool together, wallowing in an emotional vacuum, and will interact with people who will suspend their misery. Is this really a healthy way of life? People with AIDS generally can't find people who will take them as sexual partners (if they're in the knowing about the person's disease). This is not a bad thing. It is self-preservation for the non-infected individual, so they don't pass this disease onto others, or their children. "But," the Social Justice Warrior shouts, "you non-AIDSers are oppressing that person! They need love too!" It would take a considerable amount of mental gymnastics and hardcore apologetics to explain away and unstigmatize AIDS, I imagine, and I cannot even fathom the thought process that would do so, but I can see the end result regardless. In the 'enlightened' age, viewing people as having 'problems', or being 'undesirable', is considered oppression, and is backwards and bigoted. Unless this type of behavior gets checked, and fast, I am afraid of what kind of society we might end up in. ~~~~ What did everyone think of my theory? I would love some feedback! Thank you very much. Evan Bennet / AnAmericanComposer
aviet Posted June 6, 2016 Posted June 6, 2016 What did everyone think of my theory? I would love some feedback! Thank you very much. On the history of identity politics, I think it goes back far beyond written records. One of the biggest themes in history is identity politics: war, persecution, segregation etc. based on identity. It's only in the last few decades in some counties could this be said to have largely disappeared, only to risk total destruction via the importation of 3rd world immigrants who want to get pithy about the lack of attention paid to their home culture and the blaming of whites for the failure of certain ethnicities. So I think the latter period of increasing the voting franchise is just a latter phase of identity politics. ---- The idea of accepting depression as social justice could turn out to be quite perceptive. When I was younger, I noticed that quite a few people were obviously suffering from depression. Like all of us, I have been through mental and emotional loops, but from the age of 16 I was steadfast in the idea that I cannot become depressed and I never have. Not only do I not expect that I will ever become depressed, I outright reject the possibility. This will be highly controversial, but I think that people who are depressed want to be depressed, in a similar way that some people like being cucks and subjects of masochism. Some people are self destructing and like to punish themselves. I think depression is just a more abstract expression of this. I'd imagine that if you could chart fat people who manage to loose weight to become an average weight and depressed people who overcome it, you will find similar levels of success and relapse. ---- As for the future, it is difficult to know where this may go. The real fight-back against made-up social justice qualms only really began last year. I would not expect it to go away any time soon, though I think it is likely to be beaten back, as everyone I know, from any veins of thought, find them ridiculous. To add to your suggested future directions for the movement, I think one possibility is that there will be a movement to drop English in favor of Swahili. Another is the movement for slavery reparations. I'm surprised that has not flared up already. And when that happens don't expect any reparations to be paid by the Africans who sold the slaves to Europeans, had been enslaving themselves for 1000s of years, enslaved themselves after freedom in Sierra Leone and Liberia and expect America to be the center of slavery evil despite only accounting for about 2% of the Atlantic slave trade (source). ---- For me the biggest aspect of social justice jihadi mental illness is the relationship between guilt and resources. Why did women advocate their addition to the voting franchise and the work force? - They wanted (access to) resources Why did blacks advocate their addition to the voting franchise? - They wanted (access to) resources Why did blacks advocate for affirmative action? - They wanted (access to) resources Why are trans kicking off? - The want free sex changes Why does a baby throw a tantrum? - They want attention or resources. *Not saying this was the only drive behind those movements It would probably also be more inclusive, ooooouuuuuhhhh!, to say they want their way, with resources being included in their way. The new social justice movement that has practically no issue they can trot out beyond obscure and abstract notions like micro-aggression, is simply using guilt to get their way. In the same way a child or brat does. I think calling them out on this may be effective as I think it will cause a sub-conscious trigger in the similar vein to how politicians dodge to avoid lying. One of the best debates in which a SJJ cannot come up with any arguments and everything she says backfires: https://youtu.be/MFFJWzgUmTE?t=16m *16 minutes if the time marker does not transpose.
Donnadogsoth Posted June 6, 2016 Posted June 6, 2016 Let's jump to the end: legal paedophilia and child blood sacrifice. That's where all this is heading. The paedophiles want to be "liberated" too--like Mohammed. And sooner or later a "liberated" woman will insist on her right to sacrifice her living, extracted fetus to Satan, the Great Mother, or the King of Rock and Roll. "Then, whispered Castro, those first men formed the cult around small idols which the Great Ones shewed them; idols brought in dim aeras from dark stars. That cult would never die till the stars came right again, and the secret priests would take great Cthulhu from His tomb to revive His subjects and resume His rule of earth. The time would be easy to know, for then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom. Meanwhile the cult, by appropriate rites, must keep alive the memory of those ancient ways and shadow forth the prophecy of their return." --H.P. Lovecraft, "The Call of Cthulhu"
AnAmericanComposer Posted June 6, 2016 Author Posted June 6, 2016 I appreciate the perspective and feedback, aviet64, and what you say about resources makes a lot of sense. Stefan tends to discuss resources a lot in his videos, and I should have considered that angle when I was making my post! I agree with you about depression. Depression, cutting, suicidal tendencies... these are all forms of self-punishment, to varying degrees. And it seems like the whole "whites are evil" narrative is plaguing basically every western country. The discussion that McInnes had with the SJW is the best, I've seen it more than once. Truly a masterpiece. "You mean European countries with a higher density of whites?" Pure gold. Donnadogsoth, your perspective was interesting as well! Much more racy, but in ten, twenty, fifty years, I could totally imagine it. It's like the Freedom of Religion act on steroids. "How DARE you deny me my religious freedom to worship my idol with child sacrifice? Pagan pigs!"
aviet Posted June 7, 2016 Posted June 7, 2016 Let's jump to the end: legal paedophilia and child blood sacrifice. That's where all this is heading. The paedophiles want to be "liberated" too--like Mohammed. And sooner or later a "liberated" woman will insist on her right to sacrifice her living, extracted fetus to Satan, the Great Mother, or the King of Rock and Roll. Good point. Over the last year I have seen a few articles about youth wings of Marxist political parties trying to advocate for the legalisation of acts, which are practically satanic. The only one I can specifically remember is this desire to legalise incest and necrophilia http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3458702/Necrophilia-incest-legal-says-Swedish-Liberal-party-youth-wing-accused-laughable-nitwits-party-senior.html There is also Politico trying to normalise pedophilia. I think this shows that the impetus behind the left-wing has essentially died and they have little they can say/do in the same vein that they are now forced to push for satanic rights in the push to continue to be seen as 'liberal'. But the population is not buying it anymore: And it seems like the whole "whites are evil" narrative is plaguing basically every western country. In Britain it has not got so extreme as to have these SJW militias, but there is a latent undertone of having to apologies for and destroy British, European and Western culture. Recently the state broadcaster was directed to hire 700% more LGBT people than exist per capita in the population according to the BBC's own figures.
AnAmericanComposer Posted June 7, 2016 Author Posted June 7, 2016 I say, let the lefties commit incest. The more they inbreed, the more mentally retarded their kids become. Eventually they'll breed themselves into extinction. I think that if we let them go hog-wild, they'll eventually die off. This is like when we give welfare to people who refuse to work. We are standing in the way of social Darwinism. Wake up, sheeple!
RichardY Posted June 7, 2016 Posted June 7, 2016 A lot of the credibility was lost in Labour when they flooded the country with an open door migrant policy, the Eastern Europe migration was originally claimed to be 10,000 or 100,000 but ended up at over 1 Million. In Peterborough its funny hearing some of the Muslim migrants argue there is too many foreigners. Peterborough also has or had a school where no one speaks English as a native language.The first past the post system still slightly favours the conservatives as country regions are generally more Conservative or UKIP and less populated. I think the SJW's are still probably there but they would have to be at the level of drooling idiots, got Jihadists instead now. UAF is the main SJW organisation I think, total hypocrites.
aviet Posted June 7, 2016 Posted June 7, 2016 A lot of the credibility was lost in Labour when they flooded the country with an open door migrant policy, the Eastern Europe migration was originally claimed to be 10,000 or 100,000 but ended up at over 1 Million. In Peterborough its funny hearing some of the Muslim migrants argue there is too many foreigners. Peterborough also has or had a school where no one speaks English as a native language.The first past the post system still slightly favours the conservatives as country regions are generally more Conservative or UKIP and less populated. I think the SJW's are still probably there but they would have to be at the level of drooling idiots, got Jihadists instead now. UAF is the main SJW organisation I think, total hypocrites. I looked into the popularity of the websites of US and UK SJW groups and the ones in the UK are practically dead. The Unite Against Fascism gorup's site: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/uaf.org.uk probably gets no more than 40 visitors / day. Such an obscure group gets far too media attention. Compare it to BLM: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/blacklivesmatter.com which probably gets about 1,000 / day, which is still relatively insignificant. The Young Greens of England and Wales get about 1-3 visits pet day: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/www.younggreens.org.uk Yet they get mainstream media attention. I run an Alexa top 20,000 (70,000 visits / day) website and can't get on the BBC for love nor money. That reminds me of one of the other ridiculous future trends for the SJWs: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/18/green-party-scraps-women-non-men-transgender/
RichardY Posted June 7, 2016 Posted June 7, 2016 at the young greens. Yeah the SJW organisations get way too much media attention makes me wonder how many of them are directly paid by someone to be at demonstrations and cause problems? seems surprising how the SJWs seem more prevalent in the USA, thought the USA was suppose to be some sort of melting pot where all Immigrants are Americans. I think the SJW's in Europe have lost credibility even with the most stupid, partly because of the Islamic Terrorist bombings. Going a bit off topic, seems strange with so much activity on the Internet now that Brexit is not a for gone conclusion, just looking at the number of anti EU comments on YouTube and anti EU videos you would think that young people would all vote out. Most of the Remain videos don't even allow comments.
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