dsayers Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 FDR has covered the way giving women the vote blows up the welfare state. Recently, during the 2nd call of this show--worth listening to in its own right--Stef took the "shit test" one step further by talking about the ways that women want to fail at dominating their man because it's a sign the man has what it takes to compete and gather resources. You didn't really specify which point you wanted to refute. The main flaw I see in video is that he completely glosses over the gun in the room. The State itself. I don't put up with feminist bullshit. But because of the State, I'm forced to let in terrorists, fund women using the State to grind up men (myself included!), etc. The State responds to terrorist attacks by declaring war against its own people. And so on. 3 1
J215 Posted June 17, 2016 Author Posted June 17, 2016 Well if the reasoning is solid then the end result is not a very good one. The only silver lining I can see is that when middle eastern races have raped enough east asians, whites and ashkenazi jews then their IQ will be boosted higher than the violence sweet spot. I guess the only hope is that the children of our women and their rapists will find the wisdom from channels like Stef's and not repeat the mistakes of the past. Chilling and I'm hoping someone can show me how we are not headed exactly where this video seems to show we are headed.
fractional slacker Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 Physical separation based on cultural values is the solution. Forced multi culturalism continues to be a plague to our societies via degenerate, self-loathing lefties who worship the state. The enemy is not Islam, blacks, or minorities. Live separate and cooperate through voluntary trade. That's the recipe for peace. The enemy is the covert, parasitical white lefties who constantly run around screaming at other whites about racism, sexism, and homophobia. They must become the enemy of the state and dealt with accordingly. Then we can figure out how to abolish the state. 1
J215 Posted June 17, 2016 Author Posted June 17, 2016 Ok not sure where you were going with that. My concern is that the video is right. The argument is simple. We are a dimorphic species, which means we don't pair bond unless something forces us to like marriage. We are naturally a tournament species. Western males lost the tournament and every other culture is treating us like a bitch because of it. Naturally our women don't want to fuck the males treated like shit by every other race/culture in the world. They are hypergamous. The top of the progressive stack, the culture that takes shit from no one is middle eastern Islamic patriarchy. Because of hypergamy our women will fuck them because they won the tournament. They passed the shit test. Someone show me how this argument is false please.
dsayers Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 we don't pair bond unless something forces us to like marriage. I realize all I have is anecdotal evidence to the contrary, but this very much so seems like an assertion.
J215 Posted June 17, 2016 Author Posted June 17, 2016 If we were a naturally pair bonding species we wouldn't have the institution of marriage. Because we would already be pair bonding without having to resort to the threat of shaming, ostracism, and worse to keep a man and woman together for the sake of kids.
dsayers Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 If we were a naturally pair bonding species we wouldn't have the institution of marriage. Because we would already be pair bonding without having to resort to the threat of shaming, ostracism, and worse to keep a man and woman together for the sake of kids. There are so many things wrong here. False dichotomy, projection, presumption, etc. Total lack of curiosity. And integrity since if that's your basis, then yes, it was indeed an assertion. I'd dissect it further, but I don't suppose at this time that it would accomplish anything for you. 1
J215 Posted June 18, 2016 Author Posted June 18, 2016 There are so many things wrong here. False dichotomy, projection, presumption, etc. Total lack of curiosity. And integrity since if that's your basis, then yes, it was indeed an assertion. I'd dissect it further, but I don't suppose at this time that it would accomplish anything for you. Ok then, so I ask for help with proving the author of the video incorrect and you come at me on a point that is pretty scientifically sound, and has been talked about in Stef's videos many times. The nature and origin of hypergamy would be something I would think would be understood here. This isn't the place I thought I would be told I had a lack of curiosity and integrity. If I am going to be told I am just making false dichotomies, and projecting and presuming... I just won't ask the community for help figuring things out.
dsayers Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 I can appreciate that you've been subjected to sophisticated abusers. I have also. That's why it's easy for me to see that you're using the first thing you think you can as a scapegoat to justify not trying harder. Hell, my fiancee pulled that one on me. Do you see the irony in responding to a claim of presumption by revealing how much you were presuming? If you say what you mean and mean what you say, then you don't have to worry or depend upon what people do or do not know. But if you presume and somebody doesn't "get you," then you get to blame then, berate them, and fancy yourself superior to them. My dad pulls that shit all the time. You should save bullshit for people who can't see through it. That's EXACTLY what you signed up for when you came here 1
J215 Posted June 18, 2016 Author Posted June 18, 2016 I can appreciate that you've been subjected to sophisticated abusers. I have also. That's why it's easy for me to see that you're using the first thing you think you can as a scapegoat to justify not trying harder. Hell, my fiancee pulled that one on me. Do you see the irony in responding to a claim of presumption by revealing how much you were presuming? If you say what you mean and mean what you say, then you don't have to worry or depend upon what people do or do not know. But if you presume and somebody doesn't "get you," then you get to blame then, berate them, and fancy yourself superior to them. My dad pulls that shit all the time. You should save bullshit for people who can't see through it. That's EXACTLY what you signed up for when you came here What do you think I am trying to use as a scapegoat, what do you believe I am trying to justify not trying harder at?
regevdl Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 Well if the reasoning is solid then the end result is not a very good one. The only silver lining I can see is that when middle eastern races have raped enough east asians, whites and ashkenazi jews then their IQ will be boosted higher than the violence sweet spot. I guess the only hope is that the children of our women and their rapists will find the wisdom from channels like Stef's and not repeat the mistakes of the past. Chilling and I'm hoping someone can show me how we are not headed exactly where this video seems to show we are headed. I would caution to think raping our way to higher IQ is so straighfoward and simple. Remember, trauma and abuse can either lower IQ or squelch the IQ potential. A rape victim...if they carry the baby to term may not stay with her rapist to raise the baby.... enter...single mother hood...welfare...etc...not ideal to raise the IQ of the human race. A rape victim..if they carry the baby to term...may STAY with her rapist to raise the baby. Having a rapey father will more likely bring on other abuse against the mother and/or the child....not idea in raising the IQ of the human race. Ok not sure where you were going with that. My concern is that the video is right. The argument is simple. We are a dimorphic species, which means we don't pair bond unless something forces us to like marriage. We are naturally a tournament species. Western males lost the tournament and every other culture is treating us like a bitch because of it. Naturally our women don't want to fuck the males treated like shit by every other race/culture in the world. They are hypergamous. The top of the progressive stack, the culture that takes shit from no one is middle eastern Islamic patriarchy. Because of hypergamy our women will fuck them because they won the tournament. They passed the shit test. Someone show me how this argument is false please. If that were true, and Europe can be a real-time petri dish social experiment, then the Euro-women would already be voluntarily having sex with the migrants rather than the migrants raping them... when rape is used it means the other person does NOT want to have sex....therefore you cannot even suggest hypergamy. Now, even though Europe is femenized to a self-destructive degree...the women are either abstaining from any pair bonding or ultimately will still pick the femenized Euro male over the 'alpha' middle eastern. Alpha is more than violent male display as we see in these Middle Eastern men. It's also about sticking around, gaining resources for the woman'/child. The migrants in europe are sucking up resources and violent and aggressive and provide no or little ability to be a proper suitor for the woman looking to 'upgrade'. She makes the calculation it's either better to abstain alltogether or resort to the beta euro male with a job, with the same culture and language and who doesn't believe in polygamy and will stick around. And remember, the average Euro-female still has a higher IQ than the average M.E. migrant male.... so she can make a better calculation on which will serve her needs the best for the long term. So for the average Euro female who sees these alpha M.E. males (and actually...they are not true alphas...they overcompensate in their assertion and aggression to appear alpha)...consider an alpha lion... they don't use up their energy actively going around harrassing other lions...the opposite. they use clear but calm postulation and choose their battles wisely and don't run around roaring all of the time. They just exude the essence of alpha rather than an 'in your face' beta appearing to be strong and scary. So anyway, these Euro females see these pseudo-alpha M.E. males and are in no way thinking....wow....I'd go for that. Because even after their 'aggressive' display, they don't bring resources, they are polygymist which still doesn't jive with your average western woman. she wants the male resources for her baby and only hers. Beyond that....if the M.E. culture/patriarchy is your example of success and proof of hypergamy then my argument would be....then why do they arrange marriage and force marriages on women? If even the M.E. women tend towards hypergamy, then they too would upgrade to the highest quality male.... but they are totally dominated which removes their ability to hypergamy. They are subjected to polygamy... etc. so when the M.E. culture tries to expand other cultures they do so by force and aggression...not by the new culture's women willingness to accept the M.E. males as better suited for them. The males will rape and control them because that's how they get their current woman. Hypergamy by the woman is not even an option or doesn't even enter the equation since force is always used. If we were a naturally pair bonding species we wouldn't have the institution of marriage. Because we would already be pair bonding without having to resort to the threat of shaming, ostracism, and worse to keep a man and woman together for the sake of kids. You are looking at the symptom. The symptom is that if a man and woman feels they need to stay togehter to spare the child...then it's a shit marriage and was from the get go and was endorsed by people who were too afraid to teach or stand firm or ostracize them if they didn't choose a better match in the beginning before things went too far . So now....because the education is all about sparing feelings until they can't be spared anymore...the ostracization that should come BEFORE as a prevention is now used as the punishment....went it's too late to change anything and after the damage is done. Back in the day....the shaming was done to prevent and of course if someone didn't listen to the prevention....then they would be ostracized which is not sparing someone of the consequence of the bad behavior. If you have some evidence based, life saving information and you work hard to protect and share and educate it and people dismiss it AND do the opposite and they do the opposite while preaching that YOU are stifling them and your way is old fashioned and primitive and bad, etc.... and their method provides only negative outcomes.... you would shame them and ostracise them and you should! They forwent evidence they actively taught non-evidence to discredit you and they won't accept responsibily for their negative outcome....so the only way to get them to viscerally feel the consequences is to ostracize them and that serves as a warning to others who also forgo evidence based philosophies. Presently, bad decisions are subsidized especially in marriage and single parenthood. The cultural norm is to say...well...I didn't know he/she was a bad husband. and typically the spouse won't leave even if the children are miserable, they wait until they are affected or until the kids are old enough to leave the house and then the spouse gets the brunt of the shitting behavior and then decides it's time to leave. And no one is allowed to cry out the hypocracy of this. Instead they are awared with nobility that they 'stuck it out as longa s they could'. lol it's ridiculous. No. they stuck it out as long as the kids took the brunt of it. it's cultural blasphamy to say....we need to do a better screening process before people get married and have kids to stop this cycle of being married for 5, 10, 15 years and suddenly the spouse 'didn't realize their parnter was like that'. or whatever. It means the art of pair selection has been lost and needs to be revived in culture because the only ostracism I see is that knowledge and conversation to hold people accountable for their poor selection.
AccuTron Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 Flaw? Not seeing one per se. As dsayers noted the State is not mentioned. Yet I think the State is heavily implied, as being so pervasive that it's taken for granted, as what makes everything else that happens possible in the first place.
J215 Posted June 18, 2016 Author Posted June 18, 2016 Of course none of this would be possible without the state. This isn't hopeful if this guy is right. (and to the guy above, no where did I advocate rape in any way and I would be one the ones violently defending and not a part of the 'our', but a large part of intelligence is genetic and would impact a future where middle eastern Islam spreads unchecked) Welfare has to go asap and I don't know how best to help that, plus people need to disobey the gun laws that are coming
dsayers Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 Welfare has to go asap and I don't know how best to help that Well, individuals cannot engage in such mass theft. You need the perceived legitimacy of the government to pull that off. So step one would be to help reveal the gun in the room. However, most people are broken due to abusive homes, government schooling, nationalism narratives, religion, etc. This presents a two stage approach for the next step. First, in order to help the people who are here now, we need to up our communication skills. This means pursuing self-knowledge, learning to think rationally, identifying who we're communicating with and why they believe what they believe, and marshaling our time accordingly. This will help the dispelling of the superstition of authority spread that much more quickly and efficiently. Finally, the second prong of that fork and the final step: Inoculation. Using that communication skill and ability to ostracize to encourage peaceful parenting and ostracize those who won't and/or rescuing their children from them. This will lead to humans who do not speak the language of coercion and wouldn't dare stand for it.
J215 Posted June 22, 2016 Author Posted June 22, 2016 Fuck. Stef just said it in his latest call in show. r's get into K society by crook or by hook, random predation causes the native K's to breed less as a response to stress, while the r's breed like crazy... as a response to stress. He even mentioned feminism being a way to get K's to breed less because of the rational danger of relationships... THOSE are the women that I feel the video is talking about, and here in the west they are the majority... Nasty times ahead, but I welcome the challenge. (Why The Regressive Left Hates Everything, call in show)
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