Labeled by family, lost friends.

[AnAmericanComposer]

I made a post on Facebook, outraged by the events happening in Milwaukee, but decided to delete it. 

 

I posted: 

 

 

People wonder why I dislike liberal policies.

Nobody likes to discuss it because it's "Racist", but the facts are that the black population faces the most unemployment, illegitimate childbirth (over 70%), welfare, violent crime (actually, almost all crime brackets, per capita), and in some situations commit vastly more crime than all others. They only make up about 13% of the population, yet commit over half of all homicide.

And what caused this? Why are over 70% of children born out of wedlock? Because the government penalizes marriage. Johnson implements radical reforms to create a massive welfare state in the "war I poverty", and marriage rates in black communities plummet. In the fifteen years leading up to '65 (before the reform), in a largely right/conservative environment of capitalism and ownership, over HALF of black poverty was cut. Only about 20% of their children, illegitimate. After Johnson, rates fell like a stone in water. Unemployment, school drop out, illegitimacy, single parenthood, crime and homicide are on the up and up. And yet people want more welfare state? Doesn't anyone see that larger government only leads to dependency, entitlement and the dissolution of the family?

I remember hearing someone once say "the democrat party did what slavery and 200 years of racism couldn't do: destroy the black family".

If we live in a time where black people are victims of systemic racism, why is it that first-generation Nigerians (who tend to be conservative) tend to do far better in our society? Are they somehow different?

This is to say, I don't believe all, or even most are like this! I understand the need for welfare in the right situation! Obviously it's a necessary and beneficial cushion to land on in hard times. And I'm not at all blaming the state for what is happening in our times.

When ANYONE commits the atrocities that are committed today, they only have themselves to blame. I blame the actuator for their crime, not their environment. But, it would be shortsighted to not look at what has inspired an environment where kids grow up fatherless, taught to fear and hate cops, that white people are racists and colluding to oppress them, and in an environment that doesn't have a family unit.

These are sad, desperate times. I look at history and I see that capitalistic, conservative ideals are what is needed to regain control and achieve prosperity. You don't hand a man money to make him happy, satisfied and ensured. You hand him a job.

 

I didn't know that people who were subscribed to my page (didn't know you could do that on Facebook; never use it) could read it, even after deletion, since it was in their notifications, and doesn't go away until they leave the page. I have been "outed" as a racist by my mother and roommate, and lost a friend (sort of an uncle) online in the process, who is married to a black woman. 

 

I'm just not quite sure how to go about this situation. My family in general is liberal, and I tend to disagree heavily with their ideals. As a conservative, atheist (they're mostly theists) Trump supporter, I don't have many friends that way. Does anyone have any advice? Maybe even just some experiences they'd share?

[aviet]

They say it's lonely at the top.

 

Since you are here you probably already know that many people cannot be swayed by reason and logic. What society now calls liberals are the most immune to reason and logic, because they are given to emotional arguments. A more logical person will typically seek to win arguments by presenting information, while an emotional one will be more likely to talk about hurt feelings and use emotionally charged language like:

"That's racist! You're racist! Shut the **** up! We're trying to have reasonable discussions! **** you!"

For emotional-types this is a perfectly fine way to win an argument, as they are emotionally-powered being. I was once involved in an argument with an "old-fashioned socialist" woman. Her response to everything I said was to blow up with slander, emotionally charged words and eventually obfuscation, "What Language are you speaking?!?!? Do you not speak proper English!?!?!? I don't know what you are saying!!!!!" Luckily by this point I had been introduced to the Stefan Molyneux method, "... is not an argument."

For them arguments are typically won by feelings. It doesn't matter if there is $21 trillion in debt. A logical person goes where they think is factually correct. While an emotional person wants to go where they can stew in their desired emotional state, whether that be a happy safe-space or a pit of vitriolic hate.

Even if your liberal Marxist peers are more logical, they can still be propelled by the same notions as emotional Marxists, because in their mind those conclusions are logical. For example, it seems intelligent, logical people who have not succeeded in the market are often given to the same notions as emotional Marxists. For them 'unfair' systems, like capitalism, are a logical point of blame for their failure.

A simplistic boil-down of the modern 'liberal' archetype:
 

- Is everyone equal? Yes

- Are you an emotional decision maker? Yes

 

With a combination like that, logic and facts are more or less impervious. To dismantle the illogical notion 'we are all equal', you have a barrier of emotional fits and bursts protecting it.

If you want to change the perception that we are all equal, essentially what your argument was against, you would do better to question the individual on this. How they feel about topics related to it and what other beliefs are contributing to it. Then you might have a chance of slightly impacting on elements and change their perceptions over time.

As for what you wrote, to me it seems like you are feeling the need to pull back, which gives it a slightly manipulative feeling to me - some of the statements are concessions intended to defend yourself and your arguments, rather than let them stand on their own. It also feels a bit hasty and emotional.

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As for what to do. You have two options: shut up, or speak your mind. Loosing friends is a pretty common in this area.

People who look at current problems logically have been to a considerable extent shut up and marginalised over the past several decades; having been subdued by emotionally charged words. Boiled down the modern Marxist's argument is, "Shut up. You're hurting my feelings."

[AnAmericanComposer]

You did an excellent job identifying my problem, thank you. And, also, your model of how modern liberals act is very true. Many of my friends are BLM supporters (I don't think they have the gall to actually go out and protest, but they are the couch-warriors, if you will), and even against my pleas they believe that they are supporting something just and pure, and that black people do experience systemic racism. 

 

I did write a more emotionally-charged post above than I normally would have. I had just heard about what the terrorists in Milwaukee had been doing, and someone I knew was brazen enough to tell me that the liberal media reports on Trump's tweets more often than Milwaukee because he is "baiting them" and "shooting himself in the foot". You know, you can only bait those who can be baited! MSM goes after Trump more than report on actual problems happening now because they can't report on reality anymore. It's disgusting. I have people tell me that all media is the exact same, and that it isn't heavily biased against conservative values.

 

When questioned by my mother (who, thankfully, isn't mad at me, but more concerned about how I carry myself), I told her, much to her chagrin, that I stand by my statements. I only deleted them because I didn't feel like dealing with red tape. I did in fact try to buffer my claims and try to do some proactive damage control, and it made my argument look weaker. 

 

I'm still debating in my mind whether to shut up or speak up, but regardless that decision will come easier with the new things to consider that you brought. Thank you, aviet64.

[A4E]

"friends" you say? A real friend would want to take you seriously and talk to you about it if he disagrees, or is unsure what you mean or whatever.

 

I would imagine that the wife of your uncle is the power point in all of the hostility towards you. But that's just my theory. She doesn't even have to do anything, she will be defended from all sides in a liberal environment.

 

If your family is promoting family values, like "stick together no matter what" and "always help and support each other" kind of family, then your family is betraying you, siding with the power point, instead of like say getting everyone together and talking about it. They probably know that they can not win against you in an intellectual conversation, so this is their way of avoiding loss of face in the quickest way possible.

 

If your family has been neglecting each other, and/or not helping you before and/or putting you down and/or slandering you, then what is the big deal? They would not be a real supporting family, just humans with similar genetic material.