Mrdthree Posted August 29, 2016 Posted August 29, 2016 Democrats are very happy with the voting record of new immigrants and want to encourage a continued policy favoring current demographics. New legislation needs to be implemented in immigration with an understanding that current immigration policy is simply being used as a way to gerrymander. As such immigration policy should be subject to continual review and new immigrant voting patterns should be a strong determinant on the number and types of immigrants approved for citizenship. Specifically there should be identified demographic groups that are likely going to vote Republican and demographic groups identified as likely to vote Democrat and have immigration rolls weighted so that no particular party can hijack immigration policy for sake of gerrymandering elections.
Slavik Posted August 29, 2016 Posted August 29, 2016 Personally I do not have much trust in such implementation, here is my reasoning. It really looks like the Democratic party controls the government. Democratic politicians again and again break the laws, and they are not even asked to step down, as the matter of fact it looks like they get promoted for breaking the law. Imagine the Republican party or conservative breaking the law in such a manner as Hillary has? They would have been jailed. Yes, I agree the current immigration policy is a tool for Democrats, I just dont see it changing. 1
Mrdthree Posted August 30, 2016 Author Posted August 30, 2016 Personally I do not have much trust in such implementation, here is my reasoning. It really looks like the Democratic party controls the government. Democratic politicians again and again break the laws, and they are not even asked to step down, as the matter of fact it looks like they get promoted for breaking the law. Imagine the Republican party or conservative breaking the law in such a manner as Hillary has? They would have been jailed. Yes, I agree the current immigration policy is a tool for Democrats, I just dont see it changing. I dont see how it could be worse. We gerrymander districts into bizarre shapes why not gerrymander disproportionate immigration as part of regular party negotiations.
Slavik Posted August 30, 2016 Posted August 30, 2016 I dont see how it could be worse. We gerrymander districts into bizarre shapes why not gerrymander disproportionate immigration as part of regular party negotiations. I didnt say that your Idea would make things worse, what I said was that I do not see the policy changing because the change would not benefit Democrats and it looks like Democratic party controls the government.
jamcity Posted September 2, 2016 Posted September 2, 2016 Gerrymandering is how you migrate. The best/only way for any migrant to obtain status is to get into contact with the state representatives of the area he wants to move to. Immigration is a political racket. Productive, positive additions need political connections to get the proper treatment or they are ignored. Undesirables are just much more effective at mobilizing political power. In the immigration system merit has no value. Well off people are often too busy to have time for political action, even fewer have interest in helping to bring in a well off person come in to compete with.
Vergilius Rex Posted September 2, 2016 Posted September 2, 2016 This is reminiscent of the video on The Fall of Rome that Stefan did but I want to add something to it: -Immigration is controlled by a government, its a decision made or undone by it. ( even more so today where the state is so big) Therefore we can asume that the migrant crisis in Europe and the United States, is deliberately caused by the government. ( I know it sounds like a Conspiracy but hang on) -The nature of the political classes, regarding this issue, is primordial. If we observe the nature of the political man from the West, or even of the average citizen, we can easily observe a lack of patriotism and a high concentration of self-interest. But this is already too obvious. We ought to see the politicians from today as patricians from the past; in the sense that they generate from the same social-ecosystems, thus simulating castes. This is not so much of an aristocracy but it resembles one because it lacks patriotism whilst the aristocracy generally did not. This observation looks similar to class warfare Marxism but is different because it does not refer to labour or exploitation. The main idea is patriotism, which leads to my next point. -There is a flaw in the current enforcement of ideas and heritage (or culture). As on Stefan's video on Rome, we see that the citizenry does not behave as citizens anymore. The problem is that this corrups the whole Constitutionalism and Social Contract that exists in the West. As in Rome, without its citizens nations dont exist. The European nations and the American nation are ceasing to exist as such, becoming the abstractions of states, pieces of land with a name that no longer mean anything. Thus if we see citizens handing over the country to everyone for their own personal gain ( politicians) and all the rest of the citizens allowing it ( current average westener) its because they are citizens only in name, a shallow title with no meaning.This is as such because the ideas that make a citizen are no longer upheld or even required. These are all the Enlightment ideals and the American Constitutionalism that are not enforced. After this long exposition it is safe to consider the root problem of why something so machiavellian as importing migrants to gerrymander elections is feasible. If the ideas that made a nation and its citizens are not kept, or if they are failing to be kept, they must be enforced. Otherwise there is no West anymore. I have always found this quote to be most illustrating over this matter: 1
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