powder Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 We are seeing a lot of comparisons from the 'left stream media' and on social media comparing Donald to the Furer. We know that the perception of Hitler's character is used to demonize, but as that Crowder guy points out on his video, Hillary and the Democrats have more in common when it comes to politics and policies. the NAZI party was indeed the National Socialist Party. That said, there is a comparison to be made with Trump in that he is an 'outsider', as was Hitler, and he is coming into the race to 'save' the country from terrorism and foreigners that were destroying German civilization and to challenge the political system that were at the helm when the country was driven into a horrifying mess - and to make Germany 'great again', as it were. Bernie also gained popularity by preaching the failure of the political system that had taken the country thus far. Now, I do not believe that the political leaders are actually the real power behind the state, rather just sales people/puppets used to sway public sentiment towards the goals of the oligarchs - the Germans lost the war, the NAZIs just moved on to the next project. But that is a different discussion. Even if Trump and his people are able to use the levers of political power to influence policies like trade and immigration, there is little anyone can do to stop the momentum of the collapse of the empire, the massive and sure to burst at any moment derivatives bubble, the crumbling dollar and the destructive actions of the Fed and other central banks and countries that may decide to start a war or take out the US using financial WMD strategies. If there is a massive collapse or great crisis, which I think is inevitable before the end of the next presidential cycle, whoever is on the throne when it happens will be the goat, as happened to Hitler. Remember, the first few years of the NAZI party campaign were a massive success and they accomplished much of what they had promised - Germany as doing well again and Hitler was touted worldwide as a hero and genius. As I have argued in another thread, I think that scare tactics are used to get people to rally behind a leader so they can take that faction out of circulation, its time again to scare the right into joining the game so they can be put down. The cycle always repeats. This is why I think backing Trump's candidacy in any way (I won't use the word 'support') is a good way to tarnish the voice for freedom in the same way that anyone associated with Hitler and the NAZI party was not to be heard from for generations to come. We do want to be there when it falls apart having stuck to our principles so people will have somewhere to turn other than the next ruling class ideology touted out to save us all from whatever catastrophy they trot out. I really like the "Hitler Responds to..." videos. This one is when he finds out Trump is being compared to him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfuF3uJKsQU 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelafina Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 In addition to those positive comments about Hitler, there is much information on the internet that casts serious doubt whether the holocaust actually happened and that it's a hoax. I hope Stef does a video - The Truth about the Holocaust. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powder Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 In addition to those positive comments about Hitler, there is much information on the internet that casts serious doubt whether the holocaust actually happened and that it's a hoax. I hope Stef does a video - The Truth about the Holocaust. Why? To show that we are being lied to? That governments do terrible things? So what if no one was killed in the gas chambers? Millions died fighting wars because they were lied to by the ruling class. Guess what, the German people were told, just like we were, that they were fighting for freedom. The only way to get decent people to do bad things is to convince them with moral justifications. Stef and others here have argued that time is short and we will lose our chance for freedom if we don't somehow get behind some promises to halt the influx of negative influences in our culture. My point is, Hitler and the NAZI came into power to stop terrorism and immigrants from further destroying the country. Sound familiar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slavik Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Now we have people, saying that Holocaust never happened? The Nazis documented the killings, the camp pictures full of dead Jews thrown into the mass graves. Seriously what is wrong with you people? When did Antisemitism become popular again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler H Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 My point is, Hitler and the NAZI came into power to stop terrorism and immigrants from further destroying the country. Sound familiar? Lol, it's funny that the best parallel liberals could draw between the two they can't use because it would force them to admit the problem. I too have this concern as well, as I'm sure you know. I understand why the average conservative is backing trump, but as philosophical ancaps this is the best moment to slam the gas pedal on the message and plant seeds in people that I'm fairly confident will flower when Giant Douche or Turd Sandwich fail to save this sinking garbage barge. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccuTron Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Now we have people, saying that Holocaust never happened? The Nazis documented the killings, the camp pictures full of dead Jews thrown into the mass graves. Seriously what is wrong with you people? When did Antisemitism become popular again? Not saying something called the Holocaust never happened. Saying that a number of claims were tacked on for various vested interests, which are simply not true. For example, the claim that hair from shaved (unclean, smelly, lice ridden) hair from prisoners due to die was sent to Germany to make pillows for the homeland. Ponder that one from a health standpoint. The six million number dead from the total war came from an article written during the first half of the war as a supposition to a train of thought. Actual census numbers don't support it. Dig into the stories, the official concentration camp stories, and they don't make sense. Not saying there weren't horrible work camps, and like that wouldn't be enough for complaint???? The Soviets, in the job of killing Nazis and well into blatant propaganda, and the Israelis pumping for political support to create and finance a country, milked these stories for all they were worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slavik Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Not saying something called the Holocaust never happened. Saying that a number of claims were tacked on for various vested interests, which are simply not true. For example, the claim that hair from shaved (unclean, smelly, lice ridden) hair from prisoners due to die was sent to Germany to make pillows for the homeland. Ponder that one from a health standpoint. The six million number dead from the total war came from an article written during the first half of the war as a supposition to a train of thought. Actual census numbers don't support it. Dig into the stories, the official concentration camp stories, and they don't make sense. Not saying there weren't horrible work camps, and like that wouldn't be enough for complaint???? The Soviets, in the job of killing Nazis and well into blatant propaganda, and the Israelis pumping for political support to create and finance a country, milked these stories for all they were worth. Seriously? Every Nazi camp held a record of prisoners taken in and killed, and you are telling me this doesnt make sense. I guess they have done the record keeping for "fun" After all of the historical accounts you are going to call them "horrible work camps?" I dont think I want to reply to you any further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-William Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 An counter that comes to mind is that Hitler had an explicit political philosophy that he wrote a book about and trump is a smart guy who saw a lot of problems with his country and thinks he can step in and do some good. I read his book and I don't really know what Trumps philosophy is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powder Posted September 27, 2016 Author Share Posted September 27, 2016 Lol, it's funny that the best parallel liberals could draw between the two they can't use because it would force them to admit the problem. I too have this concern as well, as I'm sure you know. I understand why the average conservative is backing trump, but as philosophical ancaps this is the best moment to slam the gas pedal on the message and plant seeds in people that I'm fairly confident will flower when Giant Douche or Turd Sandwich fail to save this sinking garbage barge. It is important to make the case for freedom now before the ship goes down because if Trump is the captain at the helm when it goes down it will be the biggest "I told you so" from the very people (the left) that are backing the things the right is wanting to defend against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousCoward2 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 It is important to make the case for freedom now before the ship goes down because if Trump is the captain at the helm when it goes down it will be the biggest "I told you so" from the very people (the left) that are backing the things the right is wanting to defend against. Honestly, when the shit hits the fan for real and I am positive it will. Then the least thing people will worry about are what leftisch besserweissers are saying about good old Mr D. In a situation of increased tension and unstability people en masse tend to revert to authorative statism as the holy saviour, not to an uncertain ancap world of rosy flowers and free markets. The difference is that might not really be a welfare state, but rather an authorative leadership not shying away from massive force of violence - especially not against the previous intelligentia/ruling elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powder Posted September 29, 2016 Author Share Posted September 29, 2016 Honestly, when the shit hits the fan for real and I am positive it will. Then the least thing people will worry about are what leftisch besserweissers are saying about good old Mr D. In a situation of increased tension and unstability people en masse tend to revert to authorative statism as the holy saviour, not to an uncertain ancap world of rosy flowers and free markets. The difference is that might not really be a welfare state, but rather an authorative leadership not shying away from massive force of violence - especially not against the previous intelligentia/ruling elite. I don't understand what you are responding to, how this is relevant, or exactly what you are saying. Can you sort that out in a different way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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