If WW begins and your gov wants you to fight Russians. What will you do?

[A4E]

I just now realized that I might very well be forced to fight against Russia. Norway is a member of NATO, and Norway borders Russia. Norway is a complete puppet propagandized state, (massive pro Hillary, anti Trump media), and they have always followed the US or Britain on their terror sprees, so they will go along for sure. I don't know the procedures, but I am assuming I will be forced to fight.

 

So if a war is declared/provoked from the insane, power hungry, criminal gang controlling the USA, I might die in a pointless violence competition. But I am easily siding with the Russian perspective, or just refusing to participate in shitty wars started by some asshole power maniacs, so then I guess I would;

 

-Try to flee the country as a first option because I have very strong connections in another country.

-Second, hide from the military or let the military imprison me for refusing to fight.

-Turn myself over to the russians.

 

I would under no other circumstance than self defense kill a russian with the current situation. I even have a Russian friend on internet.

 

 

I'm angry.

 

What would you do if you found yourself in this situation?

 

 

Edit: Just to make it clearer, I was already conscripted at age 18. I am talking about being forced into service for such a war.

[Izzy]

I would speak out that the patriarchy has been keeping women down for years, and it's time to shift the balances. All women must go to war while men stay at home.

[A4E]

Actually, quote: "100 years after Norway introduced full voting rights for women, the Norwegian Parliament voted to adopt compulsory conscription for women as well as men with an overwhelming majority. – This is an historic day for equality and for our armed forces, said Norway’s Defence Minister, Mrs. Anne-Grete Stroem-Erichsen, on the day of the vote. With the decision, seen as another major step towards equal rights, Norway will be the only European country and first peacetime NATO member practising gender-neutral conscription."

 

The illusion that the genders can be completely equal in all aspects of society is very very strong in Norway.

[aviet]

I would speak out that the patriarchy has been keeping women down for years, and it's time to shift the balances. All women must go to war while men stay at home.

Best answer to any question ever.

 

I think that the current talk of war is hot air. Though it does appear that at the highest levels of globalism there is a desire for a global conflict, I don't think this is the time.

 

Overall I think the best place to flee to is Chile:

 

- 10% of Germany's population density

- Good farm land

- Good growing season

- Good agrarian knowledgebase

- Relatively cheap

- Developed and relatively civil

- Good in various indices relating to economics and law

- Well out of the way of any likely nuclear targets

- Area least likely to be affected/involved in a global conflict

 

Targets and blast zones in Europe (Sarmat):

 

The illusion that the genders can be completely equal in all aspects of society is very very strong in Norway.

How about for mixed-martial arts cage fights?

[algernon]

Aviet, how exactly do you propose a middle income family moving to Chile?

[aviet]

Aviet, how exactly do you propose a middle income family moving to Chile?

I didn't. Just an opinion of where the best place to avoid global conflict may be.

[algernon]

I didn't. Just an opinion of where the best place to avoid global conflict may be.

 

I have seen a lot about Chile being a good place as you described, and it sounds good on paper, obviously the barrier to entry is extremely high, and not achievable for most people. My bigger concern would be a foreigner in a place that will experience some sort of negative impact from any war the US is involved with, especially when the dollar collapses.

 

Joel Salatin, a pretty well known farmer, came from Venezuela with his parents in the early 60s when he was a kid. His parents moved there to start a large farm and were becoming very successful. During the political turmoil and economic crisis the government/locals stole their farm and they were lucky to escape alive. They were white people that didn't belong, it wasn't "their" country and they had no right to the land, the politicians/police would not protect them and they lost everything. They came back to the states aboard a cargo ship with nothing left.

 

I know a lot of people advocate escaping to foreign countries that are less likely to receive the impact, my concern, as I'm sure most people have heard Stef talk about, would be the inability to integrate into the foreign culture, and any negative impact they receive from the USD collapsing will likely be directed towards foreigners in their land, especially those that came from the country that caused their suffering.

 

A better approach might be living in a community that is small, where neighbors help each other, and you can create your own support network at home. Of course if nukes start flying all bets are off.

As to the question on the original topic, I would personally defend myself, and my family from any aggressors. I might not make it out alive, but I'd rather defend myself from the actual enemy instead of the created one.

[aviet]

I have seen a lot about Chile being a good place as you described, and it sounds good on paper, obviously the barrier to entry is extremely high, and not achievable for most people. My bigger concern would be a foreigner in a place that will experience some sort of negative impact from any war the US is involved with, especially when the dollar collapses.

 

Joel Salatin, a pretty well known farmer, came from Venezuela with his parents in the early 60s when he was a kid. His parents moved there to start a large farm and were becoming very successful. During the political turmoil and economic crisis the government/locals stole their farm and they were lucky to escape alive. They were white people that didn't belong, it wasn't "their" country and they had no right to the land, the politicians/police would not protect them and they lost everything. They came back to the states aboard a cargo ship with nothing left.

 

I know a lot of people advocate escaping to foreign countries that are less likely to receive the impact, my concern, as I'm sure most people have heard Stef talk about, would be the inability to integrate into the foreign culture, and any negative impact they receive from the USD collapsing will likely be directed towards foreigners in their land, especially those that came from the country that caused their suffering.

 

A better approach might be living in a community that is small, where neighbors help each other, and you can create your own support network at home. Of course if nukes start flying all bets are off.

As to the question on the original topic, I would personally defend myself, and my family from any aggressors. I might not make it out alive, but I'd rather defend myself from the actual enemy instead of the created one.

I hadn't really thought about the foreigner aspect. I'd imagine its probably going to be much worse in somewhere with a low civility rating like Venezuela, but I'd imagine it would be risky anywhere. I'd also not go for Chile, but because I can't be bothered to learn Spanish.

 

This year I bought a furbished and utensil-stocked house in Serbia for about $6,000. The garden is not so big, but it has a well and thirty-tree fruit and nut trees. Next year I am going to go back and fill it full of bulk food, which is very cheap there. In terms of nukes it's the only place outside of The Union State of Russia and Belarus that will likely be safe from Russian and Western nukes. Other than that it has similar qualities to Chile, better in some areas, worse in others. I'm not sure how being a foreigner would go down, but that my house is remote and that Serbia has a good food security and agrarian knowledge, that would make it less dangerous than being in densely populated Britain.

 

If Trump is elected I will give buying somewhere in the conservative, low-natural-disaster corridor starting in North Texas more thought. For the quality of people and availability of supplies I think its the best bet.

 

I just hope the guys at Ancient Aliens are right and that the Eloheim will intervene in the event of nuclear war.

[SushiGirl]

It's frightening to consider that if the US and Russia go to war, other countries will be forced to get involved. I live in Canada, and we're right in between the US and Russia, which sucks. Most of the population lives 5 hours away from the US border, so hopefully one can escape the vast majority of the conflict by going North and hiding out there to avoid any violence or nuclear fallout. Canada is a laaaarge place with a lot of place to hide. 

 

Has anyone considered Greenland as a place to hide out during any war? Technically it's part of Denmark, but I don't see Greenland being nuked since it's so darn remote.

[pretzelogik]

I hadn't really thought about the foreigner aspect. I'd imagine its probably going to be much worse in somewhere with a low civility rating like Venezuela, but I'd imagine it would be risky anywhere. I'd also not go for Chile, but because I can't be bothered to learn Spanish.

 

This year I bought a furbished and utensil-stocked house in Serbia for about $6,000. The garden is not so big, but it has a well and thirty-tree fruit and nut trees. Next year I am going to go back and fill it full of bulk food, which is very cheap there. In terms of nukes it's the only place outside of The Union State of Russia and Belarus that will likely be safe from Russian and Western nukes. Other than that it has similar qualities to Chile, better in some areas, worse in others. I'm not sure how being a foreigner would go down, but that my house is remote and that Serbia has a good food security and agrarian knowledge, that would make it less dangerous than being in densely populated Britain.

 

If Trump is elected I will give buying somewhere in the conservative, low-natural-disaster corridor starting in North Texas more thought. For the quality of people and availability of supplies I think its the best bet.

 

I just hope the guys at Ancient Aliens are right and that the Eloheim will intervene in the event of nuclear war.

If you are really worried about nukes, (the nuke narrative held children of the 60s in abject terror for decades, they have toned down the official narrative since that time, these days it's mostly reinforced through entertainment) you may want to spend some time researching their authenticity. The "Nuke Lies" video by Jessie Waugh is a good place to start.  The Daily Bell ran a nice synopsis article on the anniversary of Hiroshima:

 

http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/on-this-atom-bomb-anniversary-youre-being-lied-to-about-hiroshima-and-much-more-to-make-you-fearful/

 

I was very fearful of nuke in years past, but no longer worry that any such doomsday device is remotely possible.  It has been a huge relief.

Also, keep in mind that Phil Donahue has had survivalists on his show  (it ran from 1970 to 1996) who said they had bunkers with food, ammo and silver in remote places during the 1970s.  This was in response to stagflation, the oil "crisis", etc.  Fast forward to today and these survivalists start to look a bit like fundamentalists waiting for the rapture.  40 years is a long time to wait for a societal melt down.

 

I went through a similar period of panic during the 2008 housing "crisis" after listening to Alex Jones for a while.  It had very deleterious effects on my disposition and the relationships with those closest to me.

 

I keep in mind that if the powers that be are astute enough to have the entire world trading goods and services for "money" (i.e., paper in the best case, computer digits more commonly), make the public think that politics matters (it doesn't) and shape the world view of the public and what they know of as "reality" through media, they are astute enough to not shoot themselves in the foot by creating a dystopian nightmare of a world that they themselves wouldn't want to inhabit.  The outcome of WWIII, if there will be such a thing or if it is not already underway, will be predetermined and it will follow the course set out for it by those with much higher pay grades than anyone ever lauded on TV or in a history book.

 

That said, I live in Florida where we are always subject to the threat of hurricanes and always have a couple of months store of clean water, food, extra gas, and other essentials, so am certainly not suggesting that preparedness is not a good idea.  Just that getting caught up in any doomsday OCD activity is maybe not the healthiest and happiest way to live.

[AccuTron]

I would speak out that the patriarchy has been keeping women down for years, and it's time to shift the balances. All women must go to war while men stay at home.

Hillary is reported to have said women suffer more at home because of lost male relatives, more than men in battle who actually get killed or maimed.  Since male's are so evil according to Modern Moronic Matriarchy, show those males who is boss!  Make 'em stay home while the women fight!  

Actually, quote: "100 years after Norway introduced full voting rights for women, the Norwegian Parliament voted to adopt compulsory conscription for women as well as men with an overwhelming majority. – This is an historic day for equality and for our armed forces, said Norway’s Defence Minister, Mrs. Anne-Grete Stroem-Erichsen, on the day of the vote. With the decision, seen as another major step towards equal rights, Norway will be the only European country and first peacetime NATO member practising gender-neutral conscription."

 

The illusion that the genders can be completely equal in all aspects of society is very very strong in Norway.

Maybe I can find that link again...it seems the US Marines are having a very hard time finding qualified females, despite Hillary's magic.  How is that working out in Norway?  Peacetime is of course not a true test.  An officer's test for Marine males had something like (from memory these numbers) an 86% success rate for males, and maybe 6-8% success for females.  Is the Norwegian military dumbing down it's tests and training?  

 

Would somebody please run this experiment:  "Equal women,"  Norwegian, US, etc., are put in a room standing with various men, spaced randomly such as might be found in many lightweight social gatherings.  The false premise for the gathering is something trivial.  Then, outside the room, -- local security already given notice that it's false, maybe in attendance -- a quick series of loud phony gunshots is sounded, maybe an actor screams once.  Instantly, how many women will react with genetic reflex and hide behind a man?  Take a photo of the room a second after the fake shots, and see what it shows.  I'd guess nearly all women would be behind a male.  I would LOVE that photo to go viral.   "Well, my girl DNA was sexist acculturated in preschool."

[A4E]

Maybe I can find that link again...it seems the US Marines are having a very hard time finding qualified females, despite Hillary's magic.  How is that working out in Norway?  Peacetime is of course not a true test.  An officer's test for Marine males had something like (from memory these numbers) an 86% success rate for males, and maybe 6-8% success for females.  Is the Norwegian military dumbing down it's tests and training?  

I don't know. Here is the article btw.

 

Now I am considering putting my energy into making norwegian youtube videos or whatever to try to influence Norway to not listen to NATO, and not join a destructive war.

 

I am also not scared of nuclear bombs since there is no definite proof that they exist, and countless other reasons, ie some obviously fake videos. No, I'm scared that I'm going to be forced out of my life and home and told to shoot at innocent Russians. I am not going to let it come to that point of course, but refusing to fight can have its own risks, like brainwashed people wanting to hurt me because I don't want to take up arms against the hackers from Russia who are able to outsmart all digital systems on the planet.