andrew21594 Posted November 6, 2016 Posted November 6, 2016 I don't know where you guys live, but here in the UK I have only met one other person who openly supports Trump. Literally (and I mean 'literally', not 'figuratively) every single point made against Trump by people I know can be found in a Buzzfeed article. My close group of friends are all anti-Trump, but they're reasonable people who don't react aggressively to my views. My brother, who I look up to a lot, yelled at me for an hour when I questioned the validity of some of the claims made against Trump. My boss has publicly described himself as "very left-wing", and considers anyone supporting Leave or Trump to be an idiot. Naturally, I keep my views private at work. Oh, the irony - I'm being oppressed by my left-wing boss. I like to think that I helped to start the fire by voting to leave the EU. I am 22 years old and, of the 36% of 18-24 year-olds who voted in the referendum, only 24% voted to leave. The sad thing is that the vast majority of my leave-voting friends despise Trump. The Conservative association at my alma mater put a poll on its private Facebook page, to ask who the members supported, and the votes were split something like Hillary 44 - Johnson 23 - Trump 6. Their Brexit poll was 41 Remain - Leave 28.
Dylan Lawrence Moore Posted November 7, 2016 Posted November 7, 2016 Andrew, youneed some balls.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DQZsnt8LcAI
DaVinci Posted November 8, 2016 Posted November 8, 2016 If you want to check out the verbage of my FB Note, you can do it here. Very nice, sir. I'm sorry that you've lost friends over this. I know from my own experience talking to people in the pat six months how many times I've been called retarded, a child, stupid, crazy, a racist, uneducated, etc.
Tormek Posted November 8, 2016 Posted November 8, 2016 First post on the forums here. I am a 8 yr active duty veteran, and had never voted prior to today. When I graduated high school there were 6 different small and 1 large factory within driving distance. Within 5yrs, all except the large one had closed, and it closed after another few years. Am hoping we can get our future back, for ourselves and our children.
Dylan Lawrence Moore Posted November 8, 2016 Posted November 8, 2016 Very nice, sir. I'm sorry that you've lost friends over this. I know from my own experience talking to people in the pat six months how many times I've been called retarded, a child, stupid, crazy, a racist, uneducated, etc. I'm glad I lost friends over that! Fuck'em! Let the unholy light of Hillary Clinton illuminate the voids where their souls would otherwise reside, so that I may know to go forth into the windy plains of the future unburdened by their companionship. 1
dsayers Posted November 8, 2016 Posted November 8, 2016 I'm glad I lost friends over that! Fuck'em! Divided, we fall! Let's isolate ourselves from other damaged people so that our masters can continue to enslave us all.
Dylan Lawrence Moore Posted November 8, 2016 Posted November 8, 2016 Divided, we fall! Let's isolate ourselves from other damaged people so that our masters can continue to enslave us all. Yes, let us separate ourselves from other damaged people, so that together we can build new ideas and generate the resources needed to help damaged people heal themselves.
dsayers Posted November 8, 2016 Posted November 8, 2016 Yes, let us separate ourselves from other damaged people, so that together we can build new ideas and generate the resources needed to help damaged people heal themselves. We live in a statist world. EVERYBODY is damaged. Isolating yourself from somebody just for being damaged will just isolate you. It won't heal anybody, not even yourself. I'm not saying don't have any filters. But in terms of politics, the only real divide is top to bottom. As you divide horizontally, you're doing their work for them. This is how the corrupt few leverage control over the masses. With you and your willingness to dignify it all with your consent (vote).
Dylan Lawrence Moore Posted November 8, 2016 Posted November 8, 2016 dsayers, I've responded to you several times on the topic of voting in this election and I've done what I can to make my point clear. I'm not sure what else to say.
DaVinci Posted November 9, 2016 Posted November 9, 2016 We live in a statist world. EVERYBODY is damaged. Isolating yourself from somebody just for being damaged will just isolate you. It won't heal anybody, not even yourself. I'm not saying don't have any filters. But in terms of politics, the only real divide is top to bottom. As you divide horizontally, you're doing their work for them. This is how the corrupt few leverage control over the masses. With you and your willingness to dignify it all with your consent (vote). I think you have some good points, but if your desire is to not have people be divided, then don't we all need to get on the same page? All the time we spend here debating could be better spent elsewhere, right?
apples and grapes Posted November 9, 2016 Posted November 9, 2016 With you and your willingness to dignify it all with your consent (vote). How is voting consenting to the state? Is a prisoner voting for better conditions necessarily consenting to their imprisonment?
dsayers Posted November 9, 2016 Posted November 9, 2016 I think you have some good points, but if your desire is to not have people be divided, then don't we all need to get on the same page? All the time we spend here debating could be better spent elsewhere, right? I have no way of measuring how many people are reminded of the truth and experience the conviction to (re)accept it. Though I do fully accept that they would not be vocal about doing so here. Social discomfort for doing what's right isn't for everybody. As for being on the same page, if somebody says to me 2+2=5, God exists, or your vote matters, all I can do is speak the truth. If after that, we are still not on the same page, this is not my responsibility. How is voting consenting to the state? Is a prisoner voting for better conditions necessarily consenting to their imprisonment? Prisoners don't have a vote because they're in prison. If they had a say as to the conditions of their life, they would choose to not be in prison. Political voting works because most people do not realize they are slaves. I can't further explain how asking for a master is consenting to slavery. It's sort of axiomatic. It's like asking why the word tree refers to a tree. That's just the definition of the word.
D-Light Posted November 9, 2016 Posted November 9, 2016 Really quiet in the halls at work today. No doubt. (here in NYC)
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