BaylorPRSer Posted November 14, 2016 Posted November 14, 2016 I was talking to an SJW who said he would never give Donald Trump a chance because he wanted 5 black people to be executed even after learning they had been proven innocent by DNA evidence. Do any of the Untruths About Donald Trump address that?
Wuzzums Posted November 14, 2016 Posted November 14, 2016 SJW's always lie. Do not associate with liars. 2 1
BaylorPRSer Posted November 14, 2016 Author Posted November 14, 2016 SJW's always lie. Do not associate with liars. Thank you for the reminder. I'm not going to take the time to point him to the facts. This guy is a real headcase.
deadflagblues Posted November 14, 2016 Posted November 14, 2016 Trump paid for a newspaper ad two weeks after this occurred, stating that we should bring back the death penalty: “I want to hate these muggers and murderers. They should be forced to suffer and, when they kill, they should be executed for their crimes. They must serve as examples so that others will think long and hard before committing a crime or an act of violence.” Homicides had reached a high of a massive 2,000 per year in New York alone - they rose about sixfold since 1960 (the introduction of the expansion of "insanity" as a defence in court and the denunciation of the death penalty). What this means is that in the two weeks that passed since the incident, ~84 more murders occurred, and likely countless more muggers. Trump made no direct mention of this one assault and rape. The axe once again falls on Trump's head for something entirely unrelated to him because of a statement he made condemning the fact that those previously found guilty had their cases settled for $40 million. All evidence is taken from this source. Trump is clearly not frustrated that non-white men were released from prison and found innocent. He is frustrated at the fact that they were done so after so many years, and that this sheer incompetence cost the taxpayers of New York a fair amount of their local budget. He correctly brings up attacks on people other than the initial in the trial, and questions whether or not these five men would be found guilty of charges against these victims, instead. As always, charges of Trump being a racially charged bigot fall flat on their face. At most, this shows us that Trump does not trust the decisions of settlement cases which occur long after the crime had been initially enacted.
thecurrentyear Posted November 14, 2016 Posted November 14, 2016 Here's the ad he took out in 1989. https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/fbbef0c3b1eddc6279b92e601d2dc63585397b48/0_0_970_1367/master/970.jpg?w=1920&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=922d41cc633f461e2df6f4d76237cb10 His take vs. that of the media sounds eerily similar to Stef vs. the media regarding Mike Brown/etc/etc/etc.
D-Light Posted November 14, 2016 Posted November 14, 2016 Yes. He was 100% right. Ann Coulter has written a ton about this... He was not 100% right. To suggest that he was 100% right is to suggest that what Stefan has said is at least 25-50% wrong or more. Fear of punishment and repercussions is not what keeps people from engaging in wanton and selfish acts of theft and violence. Fear of punishment and repercussions only makes the person more selective in their choice of victims (the weakest and least cared about members of society that are still worth preying upon), and take greater steps to ensure their avoidance or escape from punishment. The threat of punishment is the way of the Bully, appeasement the way of the bullied. Prevention, mutual respect, cooperation for mutual benefit, dialogue, engagement... these are the only ways to end violence. Yes, in the end, they will not work against those intent on victimizing or exploiting others, and for such not even the threat of self-defense is sufficient. On the other hand, they are far more effective tools on the rest of society, with the capability of transforming adversaries into allies, and rivals into partners. Bully or be bullied is the false dichotomy presented and pursued by those who have not yet resolved their childhood traumas. Taming the bully through friendship, respect, and understanding is the course of those who seek to move beyond their childhood traumas into a peaceful, productive, mature, and healthy relationship with others.
D-Light Posted November 14, 2016 Posted November 14, 2016 Yes. He was 100% right. Ann Coulter has written a ton about this... Not an argument. The amount of material Ann Coulter has written about this subject does not validate any of the claims unless the material itself is likewise valid and sound, which you have failed to demonstrate. This is nothing more than a gratuitous appeal to authority. To make an argument, you would need to demonstrate that what Donald Trump said about the causes and solutions to violent crime and the breakdown of society are in fact correct. Leaving aside the subjective moral judgments about whether one should hold onto hate and rancor for the perpetrators of violent crime, you would need to prove that Donald Trump was correct on each and every one of the following points I have lifted from his Opinion piece printed in the Times (and reprinted elsewhere): I'll simply ask you to defend each and every one of his assertions which you claim are 100% correct: 1 - The suffering and death (of muggers, rapists, and murderers) will cause other potential muggers, rapists, and murderers to think long and hard before committing a crime or an act of violence. 2 - If the punishment of criminals is strong enough, the attacks on innocent people will stop. 3 - The Police need to be able to deal violently with criminals without fear of retaliation or recourse from accusations of "police brutality" in order to effectively deal with this level of violence. 4 - A primary cause or contributor to the violence, muggings, rape, and murder in society is the amount of pandering by society to the "criminal population". 5 - The Death Penalty and a Police force unshackled from threats of public sanction for acts of police brutality will make New York City safer than their absence. If any one of these points Donald Trump made are incorrect, your assertion is 100% false in regard to Donald Trump's 100% correctness. If on the other hand, you were merely indicating his political stance was 100% RIght (as opposed to 100% Left), or you meant that Donald Trump was 100% correct about one particular point you neglected to specify, and you then prove that point, then I'll accept your clarification. After such an accomplishment, you will then need to show how such a position is not in fact in contradiction to what Stefan has said about the causes of crime and criminal behavior in society, and the effectiveness of a more violent and brutal police force in quelling violent crime (especially including violent crime on the part of the State, unless of course you maintain that the anyone the State considers to be its enemy is categorically incapable of being a victim of crime (i.e., the existence of opposing moral categories)).
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