Marriage and dating

[meetjoeblack]

I am sort of lost on how does a man go about dating and marriage today?

 

I am a long time follower. First time poster.

 

I watched a lot of FDR and Molyneux videos. I love the gene warfare series and single mom videos. I am finding it very troublesome and hard to hear. It is contradicting everything I was ever taught or told.

 

I have been actively dating for years. I thought by now, I would be married, and have kids. After everything I have seen, I am not so sure anymore. It is really a turn off. I am just seeing a ton of stuff in my life that is blowing me away. I am hearing stories either at work or when out about nightmare situations.

 

I recently ran into a girl I dated a few years ago. She is a single mom due to lifestyle choices. This was the life she picked. It is a life I chose not to be part of. I took her out. I bought her dinner. I met her friends. I was honest about my intentions, in the dream for a good life, to have adventures, and to explore. I had the courage to let a woman be part of that. Time and time again, I am seeing some not so good outcomes.

 

How do you guys date today? Will you guys marry? I am starting to think I wont.

[meetjoeblack]

​Bump!

 

​​So, I am trying to get this going. My question is: with a life long series of nasty experiences dating, a lot of crummy experiences in the education system with teachers (usually single moms/radical feminists/), many crummy experiences with females in positions of power (a boss called me inappropriate because a girl gave me her number when the boss discussed her sex life on break), a series of snubs and just a series of issues; how does a man get married in 2017? Why?

 

I listen to Stefan Molyneux but, a lot of things have changed in the dating world. Online is a series of "Proud Single Mom" bios; girls running through guys and then, now lets get married. Its very gross. I am becoming cynical. I am looking for insight from you guys with even more life experience. What scares me is that, I feel like I am getting closer and closer to MGTOW.

[MRAllen440]

I would recommend not dating single moms. Stefan talks about this a lot.

 

I am definitely no expert on dating. But, Stefan has mentioned Tom Leykis before. He runs an online radio show and one of his segments is about dating, called Leykis 101. It airs on Thursdays, probably around 4:00pm (PST). Maybe try out some of these shows, or call into Stefan's show.

[inquirius]

Single mothers shouldn't even be in your reality, because as Stefan and others have said many times, they either weren't good enough people to be in the reality of the man with which they became pregnant, or have such poor choice in men that they're willing to create a random life despite all the consequences and glut of contraceptives women have access to.  The best thing you can do is never allow a single mother access to your attention or wallet.  

 

Remove her from your life just as she removed the possibility of a biological father from the life of her disadvantaged child.  Of course, many single mothers are physically attractive, and they obviously know that and wield that influence to create such a the situation, but no single mother (or woman in general) is so physically attractive that it excuses her actions or her abysmal value.  Frankly, to reward that behavior via buying her dinner and doing things for her tells me that you aren't really connecting with that fact due to fear (as you indicate), which leads me to my next point about the fear of being alone.

 

The pain/fear of being alone is something all people who choose/have the opportunity to be self-aware should learn to conquer, because being alone is a nigh-unavoidable byproduct of being self-aware, if for the simple reason that most people are not self-aware.  Once you develop a consciousness above the work/breed/eat matrix and see all the examples of people who are unaware, unhappy slaves to that matrix, you can't go back to a lower level of consciousness (a.k.a., the animal consciousness matrix) unless you find a way to wipe your memory.  Which is why I suspect Cypher, in the movie The Matrix itself, demanded to "not remember anything" as a prerequisite for his cooperation with the machines; minds that know the truth unconsciously reject false realities, as the Architect basically states in his interview with Neo (humans rejected a paradise because they knew it wasn't true).

 

What I think your fear of MGTOW is really a fear of accepting the implications of self-awareness, and to be sure, to do so is not without a measure of painful emotions equal to the extent to which you originally bought into the matrix.  What is not discussed at all to my knowledge on FDR is that the ultimate goal and benefit of self-awareness is self-mastery, which is heaven compared to the hell that most of us are locked into via the animal consciousness we fear breaking out of.  Men in particular are fearful of self-mastery, because they are so used to being human-doings (that is, having mastery over everything except themselves) that, as indicated in Esther Vilar's The Manipulated Man, most men choose not to know themselves and remain beasts of burden.  Hence, the reason why many men kill themselves after divorce, losing access to their kids, and more; the purpose for their "doing" reality is gone, and having never cultivated their "being" reality, they are left with nothing.  

 

So, I encourage you to regulate your attention (especially when consuming MGTOW content) and do things that will increase your self-awareness, so that you can have self-mastery, which is just a harmony between your mind and body such that you may experience reality how you want rather than how others want.  There are many ways to do this, and as Stefan says, they do involve doing activities that involve a struggle or resistance at times, but look at the situation this way; being more well-read, mindful, working out, etc are things that naturally attract women anyway, so should you make the decision to date, you command a higher price and are better able to pick the wheat from the chaff.

 

Good luck, hope this helped.      

[meetjoeblack]

I would recommend not dating single moms. Stefan talks about this a lot.

 

I am definitely no expert on dating. But, Stefan has mentioned Tom Leykis before. He runs an online radio show and one of his segments is about dating, called Leykis 101. It airs on Thursdays, probably around 4:00pm (PST). Maybe try out some of these shows, or call into Stefan's show.

Thanks for the reply.

 

No. I don't date single moms. I have watched just about every Molyneux video from gene warfare series (yes, all three), truth about sex/single moms, the welfare state, and a bunch of others including MGTOW.

 

See, I fear calling in due to my workplace, my family, and even friends as well as the fallout of potentially being identified. I am familiar with Tom Leykis however, given the fact that he has failed in marriage numerous times, I feel like it would be challenging to get some honest input rather then "butt hurt" commentary. I think he is right as is MGTOW but, I don't want to fail. I see so many failure models out in the dating world. You cannot go online without coming across "PROUD SINGLE MOM" as if, that is a badge of honor.

[meetjoeblack]

Single mothers shouldn't even be in your reality, because as Stefan and others have said many times, they either weren't good enough people to be in the reality of the man with which they became pregnant, or have such poor choice in men that they're willing to create a random life despite all the consequences and glut of contraceptives women have access to.  The best thing you can do is never allow a single mother access to your attention or wallet.  

 

Remove her from your life just as she removed the possibility of a biological father from the life of her disadvantaged child.  Of course, many single mothers are physically attractive, and they obviously know that and wield that influence to create such a the situation, but no single mother (or woman in general) is so physically attractive that it excuses her actions or her abysmal value.  Frankly, to reward that behavior via buying her dinner and doing things for her tells me that you aren't really connecting with that fact due to fear (as you indicate), which leads me to my next point about the fear of being alone.

 

 

The pain/fear of being alone is something all people who choose/have the opportunity to be self-aware should learn to conquer, because being alone is a nigh-unavoidable byproduct of being self-aware, if for the simple reason that most people are not self-aware.  Once you develop a consciousness above the work/breed/eat matrix and see all the examples of people who are unaware, unhappy slaves to that matrix, you can't go back to a lower level of consciousness (a.k.a., the animal consciousness matrix) unless you find a way to wipe your memory.  Which is why I suspect Cypher, in the movie The Matrix itself, demanded to "not remember anything" as a prerequisite for his cooperation with the machines; minds that know the truth unconsciously reject false realities, as the Architect basically states in his interview with Neo (humans rejected a paradise because they knew it wasn't true).

 

What I think your fear of MGTOW is really a fear of accepting the implications of self-awareness, and to be sure, to do so is not without a measure of painful emotions equal to the extent to which you originally bought into the matrix.  What is not discussed at all to my knowledge on FDR is that the ultimate goal and benefit of self-awareness is self-mastery, which is heaven compared to the hell that most of us are locked into via the animal consciousness we fear breaking out of.  Men in particular are fearful of self-mastery, because they are so used to being human-doings (that is, having mastery over everything except themselves) that, as indicated in Esther Vilar's The Manipulated Man, most men choose not to know themselves and remain beasts of burden.  Hence, the reason why many men kill themselves after divorce, losing access to their kids, and more; the purpose for their "doing" reality is gone, and having never cultivated their "being" reality, they are left with nothing.  

 

So, I encourage you to regulate your attention (especially when consuming MGTOW content) and do things that will increase your self-awareness, so that you can have self-mastery, which is just a harmony between your mind and body such that you may experience reality how you want rather than how others want.  There are many ways to do this, and as Stefan says, they do involve doing activities that involve a struggle or resistance at times, but look at the situation this way; being more well-read, mindful, working out, etc are things that naturally attract women anyway, so should you make the decision to date, you command a higher price and are better able to pick the wheat from the chaff.

 

Good luck, hope this helped.      

 

Thanks for the response.

 

Again, I don't date single moms. I come across tons of bios or profiles online reading, "proud single mom," and I run for cover. I don't hate or wish bad. I just know, I never had the strong bond with a woman like being a father, and if she leaves him, what level of dedication will she have for me? So, I have no interest of dating single moms. What has happened, I hookup and I find out, the girl has a kid. It usually wears thin pretty fast but, I don't want to use my resources to get a woman or for their kids. I want to start that of my own.

 

 Thanks for the part in bold. It really hit home for me. Let me explain:

 

I was raised to be a "good boy." I was socially conditioned. I listened to the media, to society, and I fell in line. I would date a girl a few times a years. I am fairly attractive and in good shape. Girls would like me. Still, I never had a gf in school. I hate my first in my late teens but, it was short lived due to long distance. Anyway, after many failed attempts at dating and relationships. I started doing cold approach pickup. I feel shame admitting to this but, I came to a cross road. I will remain alone or I can do everything in my power, face the fear of approaching and rejection. No regrets. In doing so, I saw the landscape of the dating world, of women, and how it is so stacked against men in general. By that, a man at some point swears away his assets and future income by marrying a woman. A lot of times, the women wouldn't give the time a day to them. It is usually after having a kid or getting over "bad boys" that a woman begins to mature. I faced countless rejections. Get a number. Flake. Go on a date. Girl takes the dinner. Doesn't return the call. It hardens a man. I stopped paying. I began to do group hangs or to Netflix and chill. I started to hookup more but, I saw a pattern of behavior and there is no going back for me. Not with this self-awareness.

 

I feel like Cypher. Part of me, I want to go back into the Matrix, I want to see the world as good, and I know I can't. I am faced with the reality that when a woman says, "I am not like that," what she means is that, "I am not like that with YOU." I am older now. Many girls from the past will come around but, they never wanted me before I evolved. I see a lot of girls even late twenties still partying and sleeping around. I am seeing people are getting engaged, getting married, having kids, and I just don't know I see this for me in the future. Not based upon my personal experiences. I think you hit it nail on with my fear of MGTOW. I have never had a divorce. I have been approached and pursued by married women before or women in a relationship. This only amplifies my fear of being in that sort of predicament. Even questioning the behavior is matched with cries of misogyny.

 

I want to have a LTR, to get engaged, to get married, and have children. I want to live a good life. I am scared. I am scared that most of my life reference experiences are in complete contrast to everything I was taught, what society preached, how women are, and how my dating life has been. A recent girl drunk dialed me. A couple years ago, I would have dated her or been there in a instant. I didn't bother because I know if a woman randomly messages or calls, its because she wants something. Sure enough, she was on a stress leave and one of the bad boys she was chasing throughout her twenties dumped her.

 

Now, I am suppose to be there? No thanks. Another girl I was dating I ran into. She is a single mom. It is just a series of these not so positive life experiences and it definitely has me concerned. I know Molyneux found himself a good woman to get married with and have a family. I have friends that have done so. I have just not ever seen or known it. The life experiences has given me self awareness but, it is as every much a burden as it is a curse. My eyes are open.

 

I appreciate any input you might have on further approaching the predicament. I feel like MGTOW is self-aware but, I don't want to be abstinent and not date. I watch Molyneux and Hulse religiously. I read numerous books a week. I am into Eckhart Tolle and meditation. I am dedicated to self awareness and as silly as it may sound, self love. It is very trick because I know if and when I were to settle down, I would miss my freedom that I have now. Still, I know I would regret not experiencing that life. Even more so, I would regret a divorce or losing access to my children which has brought my awareness to MGTOW.

[inquirius]

I believe I understand and empathize with how you feel about the dating/marriage predicament; in theory, no one wants to be without a partner for the rest of their lives.  People want to have lasting empathetic, reciprocal love, but the problem is, excluding self-aware individuals, modern "love" has ironically become an unsexy exchange that goes against the very psychology that would allow for a rewarding empathetic (and sexual, of course) relationship.

 

The relationships on offer for a young man like myself appear to be either prostitution, consensual abuse, or nothing; that is, you either pay for it in some way, have sex entirely too soon without paying, or go without.  In this, both men and women have failed, because women have realized that the sooner they give it up, the sooner they get whatever value they seek, and men have largely been irrationally accepting of the arrangement due to their innately high sex drive.  Yet, both have in truth receive worthless goods because the exchange lacks the established presence of empathetic love necessary to give those goods value.  In the rush to get what each sex thinks they want, and without elders to guide us due to the destruction of the family and community, we've created a situation wherein none of us get what we really need (empathy), or even the thing we originally wanted.

 

It's truly a sad situation for all involved, but I must put the majority liability on women, because it is they who control sex and it is men who are inherently vulnerable, in addition to being starved of empathy far more than women throughout their lives.  This is also why I anticipate that the presence of empathy in relationships will only continue to decline, because women have already proven that they are incredibly irresponsible with the power they are born with.  With 1 in 4 children born to single mothers in the US and with the divorce rate so high and primarily initiated by women, I can only conclude that most women themselves are not empathetic.  And that isn't even counting dysfunctional marriages.

 

Now that I think I've revealed what the situation basically is, you probably want to know if there is, as much as my opinion matters, hope for what you want.  My answer is...I don't know, honestly, and were I to gamble on the answer, I would say that there isn't much hope left, because that's just the way the trend is going.  However, it's not all bad news; the best upside is that there's many resources available now for those who are self-aware to help change themselves and those around them into more empathetic individuals, and perhaps find a suitable mate in the process.

 

Finally, MGTOW means different things to different guys, and the only tangible points of intersection are understanding that women are just people, not angels and usually very flawed, and that marriage is probably not a justifiable risk if you live in a Western country (depends on certain laws, like those related to community property).  MGTOW is just information and an acknowledgement of how things really are, not a prohibition on sex or relationships.  Still, you should take care to make sure you don't get stuck on the negativity that often permeates MGTOW content; it's admittedly easy to get sucked into because the situation between the sexes seems pretty bad, but what matters is how you use MGTOW, like any other kind of information, to improve yourself and your life.  If it doesn't serve you and it makes you feel like shit, then don't bother with it.

 

 

That's not exactly the most hopeful response, but the TL:DR is that while there doesn't seem like there's a lot of empathetic women (or people, in general), there has to be some.  The only thing we can do is try to find someone like that while we become more self-aware and avoid the legions of single mothers and witches.

 

Seriously, it's like Helm's Deep out there.  Where's Gandalf when you need him?

[meetjoeblack]

I believe I understand and empathize with how you feel about the dating/marriage predicament; in theory, no one wants to be without a partner for the rest of their lives.  People want to have lasting empathetic, reciprocal love, but the problem is, excluding self-aware individuals, modern "love" has ironically become an unsexy exchange that goes against the very psychology that would allow for a rewarding empathetic (and sexual, of course) relationship.

 

 

Thanks for the response. I really appreciate the time to bring reason and evidence. I wish I could separate the quotes. I don't know how so, I quoted you and I input my response to better organize my thoughts.

 

The relationships on offer for a young man like myself appear to be either prostitution, consensual abuse, or nothing; that is, you either pay for it in some way, have sex entirely too soon without paying, or go without.  In this, both men and women have failed, because women have realized that the sooner they give it up, the sooner they get whatever value they seek, and men have largely been irrationally accepting of the arrangement due to their innately high sex drive.  Yet, both have in truth receive worthless goods because the exchange lacks the established presence of empathetic love necessary to give those goods value.  In the rush to get what each sex thinks they want, and without elders to guide us due to the destruction of the family and community, we've created a situation wherein none of us get what we really need (empathy), or even the thing we originally wanted.

 

 

Well, with respect to FDR and Molyneux, he says this. Hypergamy is in women seeking security and resources. Women typically date up which is female nature. They are the choosers of men. They pick. Women are gatekeepers of sex. Since modern feminism, we have seen where things have gone or just how far down the rabbit hole we are. A lot of men are raised by single moms. Our society is very much so feminine in nature; perpetrator in actions and then, victim during the fallout or through consequences (STD, pregnancy, other etc).

 

It's truly a sad situation for all involved, but I must put the majority liability on women, because it is they who control sex and it is men who are inherently vulnerable, in addition to being starved of empathy far more than women throughout their lives.  This is also why I anticipate that the presence of empathy in relationships will only continue to decline, because women have already proven that they are incredibly irresponsible with the power they are born with.  With 1 in 4 children born to single mothers in the US and with the divorce rate so high and primarily initiated by women, I can only conclude that most women themselves are not empathetic.  And that isn't even counting dysfunctional marriages.

 

 

I am guessing you are early or middle twenties. I am likely older then you not that it matters any. I think a good portion of responsibility is on women who are gatekeeper of sex and therefore the choosers of men. Still, the onus is on man to pick a good woman even if they are few and far between. Well, women feel exploited at one time or another but, part of that is social engineering, propaganda, and female victimhood There seems to be this victim mentality in women where, they chase bad boys, they squander their youth when most fertile and at their prettiest physically, they get the emotional spikes from players, and then, they get to be the victim to seek sympathy later on in life when these men stop calling them. Yeah, I am aware of the divorce stats initiated by women and the free money welfare state that follows. I came across a situation where a woman lied about abuse, she left her husband who she was cheating on with, received $4000 per month non taxable income. She never worked a day in her life. I have seen far too many of these situations that are throwing me into MGTOW not to mention my own life experiences including pickup or prior to learning "game." Again, I feel shame for learning about pickup but, my beta male provider genes would have been destroyed in this world. My eyes are open and I don't feel like there is any coming back.

 

Now that I think I've revealed what the situation basically is, you probably want to know if there is, as much as my opinion matters, hope for what you want.  My answer is...I don't know, honestly, and were I to gamble on the answer, I would say that there isn't much hope left, because that's just the way the trend is going.  However, it's not all bad news; the best upside is that there's many resources available now for those who are self-aware to help change themselves and those around them into more empathetic individuals, and perhaps find a suitable mate in the process.

 

 

That is what scares me. I have approached so many women in my life since learning "game" over the years. I never did tricks or tactics. I just talked to women, I would flirt, I would put my best foot forward. I would take a number or date, and hookup. What usually came about was rejections, flaky girls, dates, hookups, more flaky girls, girls after a date disappearing or girls even after we hookup, had sex or maybe we fooled around, just GONE. The pattern was frequent and often. I spent quite a bit of time thinking, "it must be me." Then, I just kept seeing it so often that it lost all meaning. I will get a number and I immediately try to hookup. I presume I will never see her again. I feel the same now after a perfect date or sex. I treat it like a meditation; acceptance to what is; fully surrender to the now; Let Go. Nonattachment.

 

Now, during this timeline, I have met some really sweet and awesome girls but, it was short lived. It would be on a road trip or exploring a city. There would be some element of just being in the moment and "it just happened." We connected. Some, I am still friends with but, at this point in my life, even the perfect person would have to come into my life. I wouldn't leave my situation for someone. This is in keeping with my core purpose and being on my hero's journey in life (Check David Deida author of Way of the Superior Man {not a MGTOW book though it sort of is technically}).

 

I swear to God, if things were different, that sort of archetype of my ideal woman would get the ring. The truth is, it is definitely suffering cause, this is all I know. This is it. If not for these sweet women, I would only know the exact opposite, and everything I do not want. As more time goes, as I watch family and friends get married, the further away from it I feel. I pray to God, to live the law of attraction, to dedication my life to self awareness, to exploring my consciousness, and to quote Elliot Hulse, "be the strongest version of myself." The man inspires me. I think men need a good role model cause so few have had the opportunity to know a strong masculine role in their life. Checkout the Elliot Hulse and Molyneux talk. It was great.

 

Finally, MGTOW means different things to different guys, and the only tangible points of intersection are understanding that women are just people, not angels and usually very flawed, and that marriage is probably not a justifiable risk if you live in a Western country (depends on certain laws, like those related to community property).  MGTOW is just information and an acknowledgement of how things really are, not a prohibition on sex or relationships.  Still, you should take care to make sure you don't get stuck on the negativity that often permeates MGTOW content; it's admittedly easy to get sucked into because the situation between the sexes seems pretty bad, but what matters is how you use MGTOW, like any other kind of information, to improve yourself and your life.  If it doesn't serve you and it makes you feel like shit, then don't bother with it.

 

 

I was asked recently by a co-worker if I was MGTOW. I said I know what it is. I understand it. No. No I am not but, I get it. I might put off that MGTOW vibe. I think my eyes are open and I wont be a cuck. I wont date single moms. I wont allocate resources to buy dinners or pay for drinks. I wont buy women beers or alcohol at the bar which seems foolish given the false accusations of rape and the craziness of "consent" which makes men feel bad in general. Society is always telling us how bad or evil we are.

 

I see a lot of content from JTO, Sandman, StarDust who I really am blown away by, and a bunch of other channels. Personally, I rather watch vids on pickup, watch Molyneux, Hulse, Brandon Carter, Greg O'Gallager, Owen Cook, and others that inspire me. I read David Deida Way of the Superior Man. He changed my life with that work to show me the importance of masculine and feminine polarity. The value a man brings, the importance of purpose, to having a dream, and walking the hero's journey. I am reading about Reality Transurfing, Eckhart Tolle, Anthony Robbins, Dan Millman, and so much more. I am so dedicated to philosophy, to evidence, and reason. And yet, I find myself so frustrated because I am matched with stupidity and nonsense.

 

If I wont the lottery tomorrow or I had a successful business, something like a Tim Ferris, I would have had to marry before then or I never would. Unlike Molyneux, I agree you must 'vet' a woman with red pill, with reason and evidence but, I feel like through pickup and my life experience, I have seen female nature and I am better off. I feel ambivalence. I desire a family, a wife, and children but, the fallback is usually carousel 2.0 for the woman, a man's resources, and being a part time dad with maybe weekend visitations or worse, supervised visitation rights to the children.

 

Its awful.

 

 

That's not exactly the most hopeful response, but the TL:DR is that while there doesn't seem like there's a lot of empathetic women (or people, in general), there has to be some.  The only thing we can do is try to find someone like that while we become more self-aware and avoid the legions of single mothers and witches.

 

Seriously, it's like Helm's Deep out there.  Where's Gandalf when you need him?

 

 

Which is why I continue to approach again and again. I could be in the gym or starbucks, on campus at college, at work or wherever in the world, and I take that leap of blind faith. I throw caution to the wind and I let things play out as they may. I put my best foot forward. I am funny. I am flirty, I offer value, and if she reciprocates, I am it up.

 

I met a girl at her work. I just made small talk, I flirted a bit, she was a student and brought up some event. I just smiled and said, "that sounded like an invite." I took her number and it was great. It felt awesome. We dated and then we parted. It is not forever. I may never get married or have a family but, my God, I did everything I could within my power to 'vet' a good woman.

 

Thus far, it feels as though it has been in vain. What other options are at a man's disposable? What other choice is there?

[meetjoeblack]

I went out with a girl recently I met through online dating. It is a nightmare out here lol

 

A girl clearly cat fished me. She had pics of her being active, playing sports, fitness, doing gymnastics, and rowing. IRL she was wider then my flat screen tv and out weighed me by at least 80lbs. She was weird too. Like, she wanted access to far too much personal info, my private life, and made far too many points about "scared of Trump." There was nothing in respect to self awareness, reason or evidence. Nothing about reading, offering value, intelligent conversation or challenging oneself with philosophy.

 

Physically, I was not attracted to her. She tried to sit on me at one point and I don't know if she thinks its cute but, I didn't want to be crushed. She also ate food like a wild animal, left the remains of half eaten food on a coffee table in front of me. Her dinner was half eaten fruit and crackers. I was grossed out.

 

Needless to say, it was not a good time and I called it a night pretty early. I just blocked her number and all contact info.

[MRAllen440]

I went out with a girl recently I met through online dating. It is a nightmare out here lol

 

The last girl I went out with was a feminist (learned this later). She also worked in the government. She told me that I had to be a feminist, to date her and how white men were the cause of most of the world's problems. So, I basically have to hate myself (a white man) to date her. I don't think so. Lesson learned, moving on.

[meetjoeblack]

I am probably a sucker for punishment because I continue to either approach a perfect stranger or I online date and tinder. It is a never ending process to vet a good woman or so has been my experience. You come across little victories whatever you may deem those and you take insight into the experience. Be your own soulmate. Love yourself. Live your dream. Bring the right people into your life, add as much value as possible, and then some. The harder I seem to work, the luckier I seem to get. It is not without its challenges. I am still in the process of finding that unicorn.

The last girl I went out with was a feminist (learned this later). She also worked in the government. She told me that I had to be a feminist, to date her and how white men were the cause of most of the world's problems. So, I basically have to hate myself (a white man) to date her. I don't think so. Lesson learned, moving on.