The Problem Of Radical Islamic Terrorism And A Potential Solution

[IsaacGage860]

It is quite unfortunate that this message to this day has to continue to be repeated Ad Infinitum, but I will go to my grave pontificating it if I have to. Just today there was a terrorist attack at a Christmas market in Berlin, Germany and the Russian ambassador to Turkey was assassinated  by a gunmen shouting "Alluha Akbar" . I imagine the response from the sanctimonious Left is going to be to continue to try and flood Europe with refugees. If these event does not strengthen and firmly solidify the Nationalist uprising that has been occurring in the West for the past year, I do not know what will. Say what you want about religion, but this is why not only Christianity but freedom of religion as an idea exists and is celebrated in the West, and why Radical Islam will simply never be compatible with Western Ideals. However, this is not only an indictment of Radical Islam but also of massive national Western governments and the continued, relentless initiation of the use of force against innocent civilians. I believe these events present a very compelling case for why the West should stop being involved in destabilization of the Middle East via arming terrorist factions. Violence only begets further violence as is the case with parenting and the cycle of abuse. Can we please just put the fucking guns and bombs away for once and try freedom and peace for a change instead?   #RestoreTheWest  #RejectRadicalIslam #NonInterventionism #TheNAP

[RichardY]

Just today there was a terrorist attack at a Christmas market in Berlin, Germany and the Russian ambassador to Turkey was assassinated  by a gunmen shouting "Alluha Akbar" . 

I wonder if the "We Did it!" after Trump got elected was premature. My cynical side says it was, kind of like the film Dr Strangelove before the Bomber gets through.

 

Violence only begets further violence 

No people, no problem.

 

Radical/Extreme Islam?

How is following what the Koran says extreme or radical.

 

Nationalist uprising?

Seems half-cocked. Nationalism has had so much rubbish dumped on it, its a dirty word. Switzerland has had some confederation going for awhile, perhaps something similar in Europe could work. Doesn't bring up images of German StormTroopers or Redcoats. Though I wonder who ultimately is going to have the muscle on the ground. Perhaps the military could do something, they are only around because of tribal conflict or else they'd be thugs.

[M.2]

So the following is your proposed solution?

I believe these events present a very compelling case for why the West should stop being involved in destabilization of the Middle East via arming terrorist factions. Violence only begets further violence as is the case with parenting and the cycle of abuse. Can we please just put the fucking guns and bombs away for once and try freedom and peace for a change instead?  

 

If I may, the solution to radical islamic (or just islamic) terrorism is already being implemented in Eastern Europe. Seeing the apathy of the West, the V4 (Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary) have formed a loose geopolitical alliance based on culture and ideology. The Visegrád 4 have built a wall on the Southern border of the Schengen zone, rejected the EU dictated quotas, and began rebuilding their military. It is also worth mentioning that while Belgium sends jihadis to the Levant, the V4 send humanitarian aid and volunteers. Results are that there has not been a single terror attack in Eastern Europe, even though they DO IN FACT give asylum to refugees of war.

The reasons for why this alliance is so successful, are that all these countries have a strong Catholic national identity, they all still remember the horrors of the Soviet Block, and they are all sick of globalism.

In the past year the V4 have extended their reach to cooperate with Slovenia, Croatia, Bavaria, and to some extent even Austria, in order to be a formidable force against both Germany and Russia.

I go into much more detail in my short writing in the General Messages titled The Truth About the Migrant Crisis and Hungary.    

[RichardY]

I know I said that Nationalism is a "dirty" word, bizarrely though there are the SNP (Scottish National Party) who are technically National Socialists, go figure.

 

Identity, seems to be at least in part the heart of the matter?

 

Going along the lines of "National Socialism" there is at least some convergence of left (More R) and right wing (More K) mindset. Albeit some what coerced. By some hardcore of strongmen/thugs, who need a victim internally or externally.

 

What would a Right wing Nationalism be? Germany as a country intact could be called The Fatherland by some. Broken down into its states, ends up being the former countries of Bavaria, Saxony, Prussia etc. broken down further you end up with the individual as the ultimate authority. In a relationship between a man and a woman, would it be fair to say(that is biologically sound) that the man should have the ultimate authority in political matters given the woman's dependence in child-bearing and usually raising. 

 

Left wing Nationalism end result would be Collectivism. The Motherland, and the all to often sited destruction of the family unit, so that something other than communism (which biologically does not endure) comes in instead i.e Marxism.

 

Anarcho-Capitalism, about the "price" of capital, Austrian Economics covers this with a subjective theory of value. Are people Capital? To treat people as capital is to treat them as animals.

Anarcho-Socialism (True Communism).

 

Anarchy(Ethics)

Imagine a void, is that even possible?... What's there? "Only what you take with you."(Yoda) 

 

A Kingdom of Heaven (Theocracy)

 

Saudi Arabia, Sunni Islam turbo charged by the petrodollar. 

Christianity, purely from a materialistic perspective paying a 10% tithe, sounds better to me than a 40% tax rate in parts of Europe and fiat currency.

 

 

Decentralisation

 

Split of various areas around Europe found new groups, balance power struggles. Funding for activities?

Succeed Bavaria (Catholic and wealthy) from Germany, England from the UK, appeal to local greed self preservation, starve larger states of funding. Plant idea in peoples minds.

 

If someone were to create a Narrative for less coercion what would it be?

 

 

Throwing around a few thoughts. Will probably edit, not complete.

[IsaacGage860]

I know I said that Nationalism is a "dirty" word, bizarrely though there are the SNP (Scottish National Party) who are technically National Socialists, go figure.

 

Identity, seems to be at least in part the heart of the matter?

 

Going along the lines of "National Socialism" there is at least some convergence of left (More R) and right wing (More K) mindset. Albeit some what coerced. By some hardcore of strongmen/thugs, who need a victim internally or externally.

 

What would a Right wing Nationalism be? Germany as a country intact could be called The Fatherland by some. Broken down into its states, ends up being the former countries of Bavaria, Saxony, Prussia etc. broken down further you end up with the individual as the ultimate authority. In a relationship between a man and a woman, would it be fair to say(that is biologically sound) that the man should have the ultimate authority in political matters given the woman's dependence in child-bearing and usually raising. 

 

Left wing Nationalism end result would be Collectivism. The Motherland, and the all to often sited destruction of the family unit, so that something other than communism (which biologically does not endure) comes in instead i.e Marxism.

 

Anarcho-Capitalism, about the "price" of capital, Austrian Economics covers this with a subjective theory of value. Are people Capital? To treat people as capital is to treat them as animals.

Anarcho-Socialism (True Communism).

 

Anarchy(Ethics)

Imagine a void, is that even possible?... What's there? "Only what you take with you."(Yoda) 

 

A Kingdom of Heaven (Theocracy)

 

Saudi Arabia, Sunni Islam turbo charged by the petrodollar. 

Christianity, purely from a materialistic perspective paying a 10% tithe, sounds better to me than a 40% tax rate in parts of Europe and fiat currency.

 

 

Decentralisation

 

Split of various areas around Europe found new groups, balance power struggles. Funding for activities?

Succeed Bavaria (Catholic and wealthy) from Germany, England from the UK, appeal to local greed self preservation, starve larger states of funding. Plant idea in peoples minds.

 

If someone were to create a Narrative for less coercion what would it be?

 

 

Throwing around a few thoughts. Will probably edit, not complete.

This was mostly a reaction to Berlin and the ambassador to Turkey being killed. If guns and bombs weren't solving the solution before, they won't magically become the solution 5 years later, that's not how violence works. I am an Non-Interventionist. I want everybody to go back to their corners and start resolving disputes with peaceful negotiation and discourse. I am not some Right-Wing Nationalist, that is simply the opposite extreme of Left Wing Multiculturalism. Thus, the pendulum never stops swinging. 

[themortalgod]

I genuinely believe that the long term solution to islam is isolation. Humans don't respond well to force, even if its forced peace. Its quite clear that islamic culture does not mesh well with modern culture. My theory is that this is heavily driven by factors that continually prevent the evolution of mind within middle eastern countries. Over the last century or two this meddling has come from us working to force our values on them. It isn't working. 

 

Free countries in the world today are free because their own populations reached a point intellectually where they demanded their own freedom and took it. The only way for a culture to be free is if they choose their own freedom of their own volition. 
 

As a result I think our best course of action for the middle east would be complete global isolation. No imports, no exports, no meddling, no immigration in either direction, no refugees, and no tourism in either direction. For all intent and purpose their borders would be closed for the indefinite future. The unfortunate reality is that their internal wars would continue for many years and many would die but its not like we are preventing these wars or deaths now through interference.

Furthermore, their entire basis of armament and wealth depends on import/export. As far as I know there is little to no production in radical regions and without our "help" they have no way to acquire guns, ammunition or any other modern weaponry. Furthermore, their only major source of wealth is oil which they would not be able to tap without industrializing as it would lose its export value with all exports being blocked.  

Once isolated they would be forced to either live primitively again or industrialize which is unlikely under sharia rule and thus they would, over time, evolve and likely let go of it much like the west let go of primitive religious ideologies. 

We would have to make an investment in prevention of war profiteering by arms dealers who do not respect the isolation policy but I imagine the resource cost to police borders would be far lower than our ongoing cost of repeated wars, frequent occupations, and endless refugee issues.