A Message To All The Haters

[IsaacGage860]

Something profound has occurred to me during my journey towards the truth and self-knowledge. If the abolitionists of yesteryear had allowed the slave masters to beat them into submission with trigger warnings, safe spaces, and micro-aggressions, I would still be in chains and tending to fields. This is a broad, general PSA to all current friends and all potential future friends. If at any time you find my rhetoric and tone to be "inflammatory" "incendiary" "hateful" or "offensive" you are welcome to stick your opinion straight up your ass and hit that unfriend/unfollow button. The preservation of Western civilization and society for future generations is far bigger than me and others opinions of me. Take note because this is the one and only time I will be saying this. #MAGA #TheWestIsTheBest #RedPillGeneration

[Mister Mister]

#Uhuru

Proud of your Boy

[Tyler H]

What do you mean by "Western civilization" specifically, and how do you envision its preservation?

 

The West is a broad term that encapsulates a significant segment of our brief history, but the image it brings to mind for me is a culture that, while including separation of church and state, innocent until proven guilty, freedom of speech, etc., also includes slavery, taxation, central banking, the draft, the welfare state, national debts, imperial military industrial complex, indoctrination of the young, and the potential turn-key tyranny of the most capable police state the world has ever known.  

 

I by no means intend to "throw out the baby with the bathwater" vis-à-vis the freedoms that have arisen concurrently with the development of western civilization, however considering the level to which we are still enslaved by western society as it stands I would have to push back against its perpetual preservation.  If western civilization is the hold from which we are slipping as we ascend to the precipice of liberty, which I very well think it is, then yes, of course, we need to reposition and find our grip.  But I don't think we are meant to stop here.  We owe posterity to not only regain the ground we've lost, but to keep climbing.

 

Perhaps what I think of when I hear "the West" is not what others mean, so I welcome education if I've misunderstood.

[Donnadogsoth]

What do you mean by "Western civilization" specifically, and how do you envision its preservation?

 

The West is a broad term that encapsulates a significant segment of our brief history, but the image it brings to mind for me is a culture that, while including separation of church and state, innocent until proven guilty, freedom of speech, etc., also includes slavery, taxation, central banking, the draft, the welfare state, national debts, imperial military industrial complex, indoctrination of the young, and the potential turn-key tyranny of the most capable police state the world has ever known.  

 

I by no means intend to "throw out the baby with the bathwater" vis-à-vis the freedoms that have arisen concurrently with the development of western civilization, however considering the level to which we are still enslaved by western society as it stands I would have to push back against its perpetual preservation.  If western civilization is the hold from which we are slipping as we ascend to the precipice of liberty, which I very well think it is, then yes, of course, we need to reposition and find our grip.  But I don't think we are meant to stop here.  We owe posterity to not only regain the ground we've lost, but to keep climbing.

 

Perhaps what I think of when I hear "the West" is not what others mean, so I welcome education if I've misunderstood.

 

Don't know why you got negged, you made a good point.

 

The Civ is the product of the Ideas.  It's like in Superman where Kent throws the magic crystal into the Arctic ocean and this fortress emerges.  The keystone is that crystal.  Our civ is created out of crystals, and those crystals are the principles or ideas, including principles of science and, equally importantly, art.  Through them we reorder the physical and, more importantly, the moral spheres.  So, if we want to save the West we have to round up those principles and re-seed them--and hopefully find new ones to seed.

[Brazilda]

Yup Yup all the haters wanna be me. The only problem is they can't even see me. Ball so hard record labels want to sign me. Life is a race and everybody is behind me. 

[IsaacGage860]

What do you mean by "Western civilization" specifically, and how do you envision its preservation?

 

The West is a broad term that encapsulates a significant segment of our brief history, but the image it brings to mind for me is a culture that, while including separation of church and state, innocent until proven guilty, freedom of speech, etc., also includes slavery, taxation, central banking, the draft, the welfare state, national debts, imperial military industrial complex, indoctrination of the young, and the potential turn-key tyranny of the most capable police state the world has ever known.  

 

I by no means intend to "throw out the baby with the bathwater" vis-à-vis the freedoms that have arisen concurrently with the development of western civilization, however considering the level to which we are still enslaved by western society as it stands I would have to push back against its perpetual preservation.  If western civilization is the hold from which we are slipping as we ascend to the precipice of liberty, which I very well think it is, then yes, of course, we need to reposition and find our grip.  But I don't think we are meant to stop here.  We owe posterity to not only regain the ground we've lost, but to keep climbing.

 

Perhaps what I think of when I hear "the West" is not what others mean, so I welcome education if I've misunderstood.

What I mean by the West is everything you listed initially minus the taxation, central banks, welfare state, national debts and all the other nonsense.We are all natural born Anarchists. The State has to work quite hard to indoctrinate that out of us so that we never question their power. More people are beginning to question, but they still have all of the guns. As long as there is the "One Ring To Rule Them All" and everyone wants to get theirs hands on it, there will never be Anarchy because everybody wants something for nothing. Maybe, just maybe Trump can buck the trend. I am holding out hope because the alternative is to continue pontificating from the rooftops while staying locked away in an ivory tower. I already know how some people here believe that this will not be the case and have heard the argument made a million times, so there is no need to repeat it.  

[Tyler H]

Don't know why you got negged, you made a good point.

Thanks. I don't know either, probably a similar reason as to why you got -1.

 

The Civ is the product of the Ideas.  It's like in Superman where Kent throws the magic crystal into the Arctic ocean and this fortress emerges.  The keystone is that crystal.  Our civ is created out of crystals, and those crystals are the principles or ideas, including principles of science and, equally importantly, art.  Through them we reorder the physical and, more importantly, the moral spheres.  So, if we want to save the West we have to round up those principles and re-seed them--and hopefully find new ones to seed.

Sorry I had trouble following this analogy, could you rephrase?

[Donnadogsoth]

Thanks. I don't know either, probably a similar reason as to why you got -1.

 

 

Sorry I had trouble following this analogy, could you rephrase?

 

Ideas are the source of power.  Land is useless for growing food until the principle of the seed meets the principle of the plough and the principle of patience.  Gold is worthless until one discovers principles of minecraft and metallurgy.  Luna is forever beyond our reach until we discover the principle of universal gravitation, and so on.  And classical art serves the same function except in terms of educating the emotions to make us more civilised.  Without these ideas Western Civ falls to pieces, no matter how rich it may be materially, no matter how good the ignorant intentions of its leaders are.  And of course there are always new principles to discover, giving our Civ no natural end-point, but rather that we are forever striving, living to discover and discovering to live.

[Tyler H]

everybody wants something for nothing. Maybe, just maybe Trump can buck the trend. I am holding out hope because the alternative is to continue pontificating from the rooftops while staying locked away in an ivory tower.

 

Are you saying the only two options available to us are either placing hope in Trump to "buck the trend" of an evolutionarily established human preference to acquire the most resources with the least amount of effort or to pompously antagonize people with dogmatic mantras while simultaneously avoiding any actual interaction with the world like misanthropic, supercilious elitists?

 

I don't think you think this, however it is the way you decided to communicate your preference for voting over what would obviously be a terrible avenue to a free society.

 

I noticed a theme of absolutism in your post; all, never, everybody, everyone. It could be that this mode of thinking leads to the obfuscation of viable alternatives you would otherwise be aware of - or maybe not. Just a thought that crossed my mind, take it or leave it if you find value in it or not.

[IsaacGage860]

Are you saying the only two options available to us are either placing hope in Trump to "buck the trend" of an evolutionarily established human preference to acquire the most resources with the least amount of effort or to pompously antagonize people with dogmatic mantras while simultaneously avoiding any actual interaction with the world like misanthropic, supercilious elitists?

 

I don't think you think this, however it is the way you decided to communicate your preference for voting over what would obviously be a terrible avenue to a free society.

 

I noticed a theme of absolutism in your post; all, never, everybody, everyone. It could be that this mode of thinking leads to the obfuscation of viable alternatives you would otherwise be aware of - or maybe not. Just a thought that crossed my mind, take it or leave it if you find value in it or not.

The absolutism comes from the overwhelming majority of people who still support the State without a second though. Perhaps I could have rephrased but I do not hold these views, you do not hold these views, most people on FDR do not hold these views, but we are specks of sand in a desert of delusion. I am all for viable alternatives as the current system is completely insolvent and unsustainable. The challenge is changing the way people think. The government has all of the guns and if enough people decide that pointing guns is the way to go that's what happens.

 

Recently I having been going back and forth with my mother over philosophy and the government. If I am diplomatic in my approach to explaining freedom all she has to do is say "I think you are wrong" and that's all she wrote. If I grow weary of being misrepresented/attacked and choose to become condescending and satirical in response, she simply doubles down and gets louder. The ideas she supports such as big government and taxation of the rich are clearly stupid. So far I have avoided calling her stupid but its like she gives no thought whatsoever to anything I say. Because these ideas result in the continued and very real death of millions of people, and I have very little patience for idiots, it is very difficult to remain civil. Especially when it is her who initially escalates into a full Blitzkrieg style air strike of feels. I am backed into a corner. If I concede she walks away thinking she has won, if I escalate as well, she doubles down. Dammed if I do, dammed if I don't. The issue with all of this is I know she is smarter than this. What I can't figure out is if she has just been horribly traumatized by past childhood experience in which case I would want to focus on that, or if she is knowingly being disingenuous and just evil. What do you think about this? How should I approach this challenge? 

[Tyler H]

The absolutism comes from the overwhelming majority of people who still support the State without a second though. Perhaps I could have rephrased but I do not hold these views, you do not hold these views, most people on FDR do not hold these views, but we are specks of sand in a desert of delusion. I am all for viable alternatives as the current system is completely insolvent and unsustainable. The challenge is changing the way people think. The government has all of the guns and if enough people decide that pointing guns is the way to go that's what happens.

 

Recently I having been going back and forth with my mother over philosophy and the government. If I am diplomatic in my approach to explaining freedom all she has to do is say "I think you are wrong" and that's all she wrote. If I grow weary of being misrepresented/attacked and choose to become condescending and satirical in response, she simply doubles down and gets louder. The ideas she supports such as big government and taxation of the rich are clearly stupid. So far I have avoided calling her stupid but its like she gives no thought whatsoever to anything I say. Because these ideas result in the continued and very real death of millions of people, and I have very little patience for idiots, it is very difficult to remain civil. Especially when it is her who initially escalates into a full Blitzkrieg style air strike of feels. I am backed into a corner. If I concede she walks away thinking she has won, if I escalate as well, she doubles down. Dammed if I do, dammed if I don't. The issue with all of this is I know she is smarter than this. What I can't figure out is if she has just been horribly traumatized by past childhood experience in which case I would want to focus on that, or if she is knowingly being disingenuous and just evil. What do you think about this? How should I approach this challenge? 

I'm sorry to hear about the conflict you are having with your mother.  I think this is very common for people who are able to accept the truth of our society.  Like you said, we are so few; if it were mere discovery that enlightened us the horrors of coercion would have ended with the creation of the internet, perhaps sooner.  

 

It sounds like you really wish to enrich the relationship you have with your mother, if there was anything I could say to aid you in that pursuit I would be happy to help.  From what you've said I don't think your mother is stupid, nor do I think she is being disingenuous or evil.  I do think what contributes to her intransigence almost certainly stems from childhood and is reinforced and exacerbated by the overwhelming support of society.  Another contributing factor is likely to be the answer to this question - in what ways does she have a relationship with the state?

 

If you have not heard the podcast series on the state and the family, it may have some helpful insights as well - http://www.fdrpodcasts.com/#/89/the-state-and-the-family-part-1-babies

 

 

But to circle back to maybe a more important part of your relationship with your mother, this comment jumped out at me -

 

So far I have avoided calling her stupid but its like she gives no thought whatsoever to anything I say.

 

Do you find this is the case in areas other than politics? Have your read Real Time Relationships?

[neeeel]

Land is useless for growing food until the principle of the seed meets the principle of the plough and the principle of patience.

 

I dont think this is true. Stuff grows, whether or not theres ploughs, or people exhibiting patience.

[Donnadogsoth]

I dont think this is true. Stuff grows, whether or not theres ploughs, or people exhibiting patience.

 

Think in terms of potential population density.  A gatherer economy will support orders of magnitude fewer souls than an agricultural one.

[neeeel]

Think in terms of potential population density.  A gatherer economy will support orders of magnitude fewer souls than an agricultural one.

 

Right, but that doesnt make your claim true

[Donnadogsoth]

Right, but that doesnt make your claim true

 

The word "growing" in my post referred to agriculture.  Gatherer economists are not "growing" anything, they're just gathering whatever they find.