Andrew31 Posted February 1, 2017 Posted February 1, 2017 I wonder how viable it is as a reproductive strategy, to marry a woman of less IQ. Today's women with higher IQ appear to want to get highly educated, "realize their potential" and not be too excited about taking care of children. They would also be less interested in "just a good man", e.g. if you can have a virgin cutie(trough less intelligent) interested in you, the higher intelligence woman interested in you would be 30+ years old, with a bunch of life problems, deceased with god knows what rots from the horde of previous man. But will mother with lower IQ kinda doom my direct descendants to an IQ cap in this world where being of high ability is more essential then ever? Yes there are other factors then genetics(Probably one mother will give them more security, the other one be more of a challenge in conversations).
Mister Mister Posted February 1, 2017 Posted February 1, 2017 Interesting question. Off the cuff I think it's better to have lower IQ kids with a better emotional experience than higher IQ kids with a mother who isn't present, physically or emotionally. That's just a recipe for neurotics. 2
Andrew31 Posted February 1, 2017 Author Posted February 1, 2017 Yes but I'm worried that after being raised with care and attention, when the kids grow up, their opportunities will be much more limited if their IQ's aren't good and they'll just sit at home and be lazy. Will it take several generations marrying smart women to raise their IQ again?
thecurrentyear Posted February 1, 2017 Posted February 1, 2017 Haven't you ever known lazy smart people, and hard-working dullards? Work ethic is a product of your upbringing, not intelligence. 4
Mister Mister Posted February 1, 2017 Posted February 1, 2017 Define "better." What outcome or metric are you discussing? Lower and higher is also far too simplistic as an IQ of 70 is much much different than 95. What is low? Good point. In the scenario the OP described, I pictured/assumed a woman of 90-100 who wants to have a family, as opposed to a woman of 110-120 who wants a grad degree and a career As far as how to define better, I don't really know. I suppose for now all I can say is "preferable to me"
zmanx Posted February 2, 2017 Posted February 2, 2017 Haven't you ever known lazy smart people, and hard-working dullards? Work ethic is a product of your upbringing, not intelligence. This right here....
Andrew31 Posted February 2, 2017 Author Posted February 2, 2017 About that work ethic thing, our dad always had work before pleasure attitude and always tried to keep us under load to do things - me and my brother. He always said something witch would translate - work for no reason but don't sit for no reason. I know there are other factors, but both me and my brother have lost respect for him and he is very lazy and unmotivated and I'm trying to find the rock bottom lowest amount of effort that would allow me to make enough money. I'm 26, never had a girlfriend and I'm failing to see what's the point to work hard.
Gloria Posted February 3, 2017 Posted February 3, 2017 Stefan has pointed out that it is best to mate with a woman who has matured and refrained from having multiple, if any, sexual partners, longer. The best way to accomplish this is for young woman to focus on studies and hopefully build up a dowry. Unfortunately, culture has greatly blurred the end game for both sexes, that being the traditional family. Seek a mate who complements you so together you can build a family that is most whole. Just my thoughts. I personally did not have any interest in having children until much later, around 30. Just because she says no in her twenties, while she is still maturing, doesn't mean the answer will be no at 30. 1
Andrew31 Posted February 3, 2017 Author Posted February 3, 2017 Stefan has pointed out that it is best to mate with a woman who has matured and refrained from having multiple, if any, sexual partners, longer. The best way to accomplish this is for young woman to focus on studies and hopefully build up a dowry. Unfortunately, culture has greatly blurred the end game for both sexes, that being the traditional family. Seek a mate who complements you so together you can build a family that is most whole. Just my thoughts. I personally did not have any interest in having children until much later, around 30. Just because she says no in her twenties, while she is still maturing, doesn't mean the answer will be no at 30. I was once so full of hope to achieve these things Stef talks about, but in reality it's sometimes difficult to get it all. For a woman to be cute, virgin and to like me, off course there'll be a catch(the low IQ for example). If she could connect well with other people she'd be married or something. If she had high IQ she'd climb socially(can't do while staying virgin) most likely. So I'm more talking about tradeoffs.
Reggio Posted February 5, 2017 Posted February 5, 2017 This is all very much seeing it from your own perspective. I also used to do that a lot. There are societies in which women climb socially without having sex, there are women who are virgins, good at connecting and yet haven't found a matching man, they are just very little noticeable. To that comes the general media brainwashing painting a picture of society as if all women were OK with promiscuity and what not. That's absolutely not the case! BUT of course it is a great sacrifice for women, in a way, to not squander her sexual market value, to build up inner traits, to stand to her values - which nowadays is harder especially for women due to a higher biological need to socialize. Which means you have to sacrifice too. Sacrifice vices, sacrifice time for money, sacrifice comfort for strength. To find a strong independent virtuous woman, you have to be stronger, more independent and more virtuous than other men in your position. If you can make that connection between challenge and gratification, you're almost good to go. In short: Start with yourself, improve yourself. You will start to attract compatible circles, and so, women. Refrain from negative self-fulfilling prophecies disguised as conclusions. 2
Andrew31 Posted February 6, 2017 Author Posted February 6, 2017 This is all very much seeing it from your own perspective. I also used to do that a lot. There are societies in which women climb socially without having sex, there are women who are virgins, good at connecting and yet haven't found a matching man, they are just very little noticeable. To that comes the general media brainwashing painting a picture of society as if all women were OK with promiscuity and what not. That's absolutely not the case! BUT of course it is a great sacrifice for women, in a way, to not squander her sexual market value, to build up inner traits, to stand to her values - which nowadays is harder especially for women due to a higher biological need to socialize. Which means you have to sacrifice too. Sacrifice vices, sacrifice time for money, sacrifice comfort for strength. To find a strong independent virtuous woman, you have to be stronger, more independent and more virtuous than other men in your position. If you can make that connection between challenge and gratification, you're almost good to go. In short: Start with yourself, improve yourself. You will start to attract compatible circles, and so, women. Refrain from negative self-fulfilling prophecies disguised as conclusions. Yes we all like people of virtue, but blood and money goes to blood and money. She can be a person of highest virtue, but if she's not good for me reproducing and feeding my offspring, she'll only get me as a friend.
Reggio Posted February 8, 2017 Posted February 8, 2017 And that, again, leads to the question of what is good for you reproducing and feeding your offspring. I think the question isn't what in this case, but rather how? How will you find the right criteria for you?
Darknecrosforte Posted February 10, 2017 Posted February 10, 2017 Considering the prevalence of genetic defects inherited primarily from mothers tend to be metabolic or affecting gross structure rather than intelligence, I'm pretty sure that there is little point in using IQ as a criteria for reproduction with a female. If you're within 15 points and are patient, your kids are likely to inherit your GSK-3B or sodium channel phenotype anyways. She just has to be smart enough to understand how to adapt NAP to parenting and smart enough to connect growing learners to experts to apprentice under during their homeschooling. Since my first child is due in October, I get to see if my wife's average IQ has any effect on my hellspawn. My leisurely studies on synaptic proteins such as calmodulin, neuroligin, and neurolexin show that inheritance is largely autosomal dominant, meaning you only need to inherit one to get the full effect.So what to look out for? Symmetry is a decent way to indirectly gauge fragile-X syndrome, Huntington's, Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy, etc. A plain-looking female with even features should be enough. Childhood experience is important. Values and methodical thinking processes should be present. Not "oh... she has to have a 110 IQ, which makes her smart enough for university, but not smart enough to overpower leftist indoctrination".
Andrew31 Posted February 11, 2017 Author Posted February 11, 2017 And that, again, leads to the question of what is good for you reproducing and feeding your offspring. I think the question isn't what in this case, but rather how? How will you find the right criteria for you? I don't know, by posting in Stef's forum? People around me prove what can be achieved easily by the man with the right mind(for witch he hasn't had to work), even half of it would be very hard for other person without such a mind. I'm talking about 3-4 times different salary in the same sector(programmers).
Reggio Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 Haha, nice try. Well, the best answer I have is this. Virtue, honesty, integrity, sensitivity, generosity, all that stuff. Stefan doesn't keep reciprocating those values out of empty dogma, but out of true, hard facts, covered by science. It is literally the best to look out for. I know those things don't sound as sexy as "beauty, intelligence, wealth, vanity, conformity" and so on, but if you think it through rigorously you will notice that it all makes sense. I've thought it through long before finding FDR, so I can affirm this out of own experience. If you came here to read something else though, you probably are on the wrong forum. EDIT: Sorry, I didn't come to the "how" part. You have to think. Use as much free time as possible to think through possibilities, make thought experiments, "simulate" all the what-ifs that come to mind. If you come to a conclusion, put all your efforts into falsifying it. Nothing is more contraproducitve than a false belief. If you lack the data to simulate something, then go get it. Ask couples, ask people around you, date around. All of us can give you hints and data if you ask specifically, but at the end of the day the only understanding of the world that can be of use to you is your own. Cheers
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