orgone Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 I have a question here The general theme is why should this kind of behaviour be tolerated? See This reminded me of a quote attributed to Noam Chomsky. "If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all.” What's the consequence of this? Eventual conflict? Does utility trump Chomsky's statement in this case? Have I missed something? I am conflicted. Has anyone got an answer to this?
M.2 Posted February 8, 2017 Posted February 8, 2017 So naive, such a shame. Freedom, within that freedom of expression is like a Bugatti. You pay for it in blood and sweat, you risk losing everything once you drive, and you should not pick up fishy hitchhikers who may crash your car with you in it. Eastern Europeans have no Bugatti, just a Lada (partial freedoms), but they cherish it and protect it and share a ride only with those they know value their Lada as much as they do.
Mister Mister Posted February 8, 2017 Posted February 8, 2017 I have a question here The general theme is why should this kind of behaviour be tolerated? See This reminded me of a quote attributed to Noam Chomsky. "If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all.” What's the consequence of this? Eventual conflict? Does utility trump Chomsky's statement in this case? Have I missed something? I am conflicted. Has anyone got an answer to this? Yes, the basic problem with that attitude, is to what extent is it a virtue to have tolerance for the intolerant? Does the average Muslim believe in YOUR freedom of expression? A majority of British Muslims, for example, believed that the Danish cartoonist who published a drawing of Mohammed, should have been prosecuted. This is the issue of our times - the West is having it's values of universality, consistency, openness, tolerance, liberty, empathy, etc., being used against us by tribal, totalitarian, violent, regressive ideologies; particularly Islam and Communism. You see, there is a line between "expression and politics" that the Left doesn't want to acknowledge. Most of us are completely fine with these people expressing their views in their own countries if it doesn't affect us. In the abstract sense, I feel bad for the children who are indoctrinated into these cultures, and all the people who suffer under them: women, apostates, gays, etc., but I am not going to intervene except to help spread arguments as to what is a better set of cultural values. But in a democratic socialist State, they can influence the government with their vote, and take resources from me. People use this word "voice" with regards to politics, as in "everyone deserves a voice", but the dark truth that we know, that others won't admit, is in a Statist society, enough of a certain kind of voice mean the guns come out. I hope that clears it up for you. Good question. 1
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