RichardY Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 What does it mean to be Masculine? What does it mean to be Feminine? Masculine Non Conformists, individuated. Independent? Direct. Refine Thought, logic. Takes Initiative. Investigative. Bold. Meritocracy based on achievement and ability. (Special Forces) Self-centred. Not focused on approval. Comparative. Status. Competence. Focus on Principles. Resource producing. More Right Wing. Competitive. Win-lose. Need Resistance, obstacles, challenges. Life Affirming. Feminine Conformists. Dependent? Indirect. Provoke thought? Matriarchal based on Age and Experience. (Madam of a Brothel) Altruistic. Obsessive about Physical Attractiveness, make-up, or in the case of male homosexuality concerned with Abs and Tattoos. Lesbians less concerned with make-up. Qualitative, Qualifications. Focus on self fitness? Focus on Universals. Focus on approval. Resource consuming. Creative. Feelings. More Left Wing. Cooperative. Win-Win. Avoids Resistance, obstacles. Life Producing. Apache Attack Helicopter, Transgender, Potato or Neuter None of the Above. I wonder if there are perhaps an increasing number of Lesbians and Male-Gays in society(can't think of a term that is specific and non Derogatory) because gender wasn't considered enough in child raising. I mean thinking of the Lara Croft Tomb Raider types, they probably turn out to be lesbians right? Perhaps because they could not find an ultra masculine man? Perhaps I should have phrased the preceding paragraph to be more masculine, maybe there is a balance?
RotYeti Posted March 2, 2017 Posted March 2, 2017 I'll offer this definition: Masculinity refers to preferences and choices that are common to males and uncommon to females. Though that means masculinity can change, Perhaps the definition should include something to do with biologically advantageous behavior. Stuff that our bodies are more suited for.
violet Posted March 24, 2017 Posted March 24, 2017 It seems to me that the concepts of masculine and feminine are broad categories that are related to the idea of marriage and reproduction. I think your lists approximate these concepts fairly well. When you have a system where a male and female work together to raise a family, masculine and feminine ideals emerge. Masculininty is anything that supports the "father" role: competition, independence, skill-building, resource acquisition, stoicism, rationalism, production, protection. These elements create an environment that is stable, sustaining, and safe, so that the "feminine" can exist. Femininity is anything that supports the "mother" role: working together, acceptance, dependence, home-building, emotional expression, people-pleasing, empathy, gentleness. These aspects are important for raising loving and emotionally stable children. In a culture where marriage doesn't exist, I don't think masculininty or femininty make sense. They're often reduced to caricatures in western society: men should be aggressive and women should be doormats. If you reduce them that much, nobody can reasonably agree with them. That said, I don't think men should be purely masculine or women purely feminine. A man might be equally gentle and nurturing with a child, and a woman might be equally competent and assertive in the world. There's a mixture, but I think it's possible and arguably beneficial to promote masculinity in men and femininity in women. For example, if you tell a woman to be totally independent, never rely on anyone, develop her assertiveness, probably develop aggression to some degree so she can compete in the marketplace, teach her skills that will benefit her in a career, and have her focus exclusively on education and jobs, how well she be able to cope with being a wife and mother? Many would argue that "wife" and "mother" are outdated concepts, and that it's sexist to treat a girl differently than a boy. I think you can also argue that it's appropriate guidance if you value marriage/family. You might also tie in the concept of K-selection versus r-selection. Marriage is a system to maximize stability and investment in children (K-selection). The concepts of masculininty and femininity only make sense in the K-selected model.
RichardY Posted March 24, 2017 Author Posted March 24, 2017 It seems to me that the concepts of masculine and feminine are broad categories that are related to the idea of marriage and reproduction. I think your lists approximate these concepts fairly well. When you have a system where a male and female work together to raise a family, masculine and feminine ideals emerge. Masculininty is anything that supports the "father" role: competition, independence, skill-building, resource acquisition, stoicism, rationalism, production, protection. These elements create an environment that is stable, sustaining, and safe, so that the "feminine" can exist. Femininity is anything that supports the "mother" role: working together, acceptance, dependence, home-building, emotional expression, people-pleasing, empathy, gentleness. These aspects are important for raising loving and emotionally stable children. I would also say the traits balance each other out. I think Stoicism is actually a more feminine trait by default, than masculine. "To live according to Nature" as Nietzsche said. That being said I think it is beneficial to systematically integrate it into a masculine personality. Kind of makes me think of Asceticism, Buddhism, the Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius(A Stoic) then his insane son Commodus. Commodus who according to wikipedia was strangled to death by his gladiator partner "Narcissus" could hardly make this shit up, who said the Romans didn't have a sense of humour. Stoicism being feminine by default as greater pain tolerance(child birth), men more likely to go into shock perhaps or pass out from the sight of blood. In a culture where marriage doesn't exist, I don't think masculininty or femininty make sense. They're often reduced to caricatures in western society: men should be aggressive and women should be doormats. If you reduce them that much, nobody can reasonably agree with them. That said, I don't think men should be purely masculine or women purely feminine. A man might be equally gentle and nurturing with a child, and a woman might be equally competent and assertive in the world. There's a mixture, but I think it's possible and arguably beneficial to promote masculinity in men and femininity in women. Yeah they become worker drones like an Ant or mole rat colony, eventually... "HG Wells, Time Machine". For example, if you tell a woman to be totally independent, never rely on anyone, develop her assertiveness, probably develop aggression to some degree so she can compete in the marketplace, teach her skills that will benefit her in a career, and have her focus exclusively on education and jobs, how well she be able to cope with being a wife and mother? Many would argue that "wife" and "mother" are outdated concepts, and that it's sexist to treat a girl differently than a boy. I think you can also argue that it's appropriate guidance if you value marriage/family. You might also tie in the concept of K-selection versus r-selection. Marriage is a system to maximize stability and investment in children (K-selection). The concepts of masculininty and femininity only make sense in the K-selected model. I think women also generally have that greater in group preference, especially if more r-selected, W.I. for example or a plethora of other groups, official and unofficial. K-selected more diverse. Though r-selected can have very good physical fitness. --------------------------------------------- I wonder what would be the best way to have inter male cooperation with one another, or at least direct their attention to a specific goal?
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