ofd Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Quote Love? Attraction and love are pretty well understood from a biochemical perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardY Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 59 minutes ago, ofd said: Attraction and love are pretty well understood from a biochemical perspective. No different from eating large quantities of chocolate then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofd Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Quote No different from eating large quantities of chocolate then? Depends on how much you like chocolate. Where exactly is love non causal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardY Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 16 minutes ago, ofd said: Where exactly is love non causal? Not sure, but if you could cause someone to love a person is it really love? Someone might say love is the reward for virtue but there doesn't seem to be any guarantees anywhere and Crucifixion seems to be the other reward. Guess it depends on your metaphysical basis. Purely chemical physicalism(which I guess could count S&M), A Conscious Universe, Panthesim, Spinoza and Lebiniz. (Everything that happens is Love and part of a greater whole). Or something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofd Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Quote Not sure, but if you could cause someone to love a person is it really love? Strawman via equivocation. Saying that love is causal doesn't mean that you can make people love somebody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardY Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 29 minutes ago, ofd said: Strawman via equivocation. Saying that love is causal doesn't mean that you can make people love somebody. Ok fair enough, just because you might understand the physics of the Sun, doesn't mean you can cause it to burn brighter. But as you said "Attraction and love are pretty well understood from a biochemical perspective." Where did you get the information? Does it mean you can tell if someone is in love from measuring various hormones present in the blood? and what if the love is based on a lie? or unrequited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofd Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Quote Where did you get the information? To begin with, there is a wikipedia article on the subject. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love Quote Does it mean you can tell if someone is in love from measuring various hormones present in the blood? Yes. Hormones and other physiological signs, like increased heartbeat when presented with a photograph of a loved, changes in pupil size, the skin changes electric resistance... Quote and what if the love is based on a lie? or unrequited? I can't see how this matters. But you can test Adam and Eve independently of each other to determine their true feelings for each other Or Adam and Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Before we get to free will, can you even give evidence of consciousness through science? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A4E Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 18 hours ago, JamesJoseph said: If I was able to program some person to think a series of thoughts and arrive at a certain conclusion then it could not be said that that person did any thinking So if you were able to program some person to walk a mile, and arrive at a destination, then it could not be said that the person did any walking? We might call it walking, but that is just an illusion? 18 hours ago, JamesJoseph said: free will Could you define free will in your context? 18 hours ago, JamesJoseph said: What does a "society that has accepted" mean? Like most people accept that water is needed to keep the body hydrated. Or that people accept that they can not normally touch someone they are talking to over internet. Or that people accept that sunlight will make you warmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardY Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 17 hours ago, ofd said: I can't see how this matters. But you can test Adam and Eve independently of each other to determine their true feelings for each other Or Adam and Steve. Abandoned Love? I can hear the turning of the key I’ve been deceived by the clown inside of me I thought that he was righteous but he’s vain Oh, something’s telling me I wear the ball and chain I’ve given up the game, I’ve got to leave The pot of gold is only make-believe The treasure can’t be found by men who search Whose gods are dead and whose queens are in the church Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofd Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Quote Before we get to free will, can you even give evidence of consciousness through science? The mirror test delineates conscious people from non conscious people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardY Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 On 6/24/2017 at 4:57 PM, ofd said: The mirror test delineates conscious people from non conscious people. Guess that's why vampires fail... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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