Toys4 Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 As discussed a lot in many of the Freedomain radio podcast In the realm of sexual market value men are desired for the resources they can bring in to the family and women are desired for their beauty and fertility. That's it generally, but how is a woman that has accumulated many resources of her own changed by being able to do what is desired for men to do. what does that do to the dynamic? Do they seek men with even more resources (Women dating up?) Does what they value in men change? Do they the tend to value something different in men other than security of resources, Do they tend to just desire men less because they can bring a sufficient or more than a sufficient amount of resources? WHat do you all think? If you are a woman who has accumulated resources like this what are your experiences.
Boss Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 Being tall, muscular and good looking are incredible resources to have. So is having high social status and of course having humor, confidence etc. I believe money is seen as the main one as with money you can buy time to work on the other things.
smarterthanone Posted June 16, 2017 Posted June 16, 2017 Women with lots of resources SEEK: Men with more resources ARE LESS ATTRACTIVE TO: Men with more resources ATTRACT: Men with less resources Women with low resources SEEK: Men with more resources ARE LESS ATTRACTIVE TO: Men with less resources ATTRACT: Men with more resources Women with lots of resources either should SEEK: Men with less resources BE: A woman with less resources OR just be single/unhappy/cat lady etc *When i say resources its gaining them through masculine behavior, family money, luck, things like this are not part of this.
meetjoeblack Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 On 6/13/2017 at 10:18 PM, Toys4 said: As discussed a lot in many of the Freedomain radio podcast In the realm of sexual market value men are desired for the resources they can bring in to the family and women are desired for their beauty and fertility. That's it generally, but how is a woman that has accumulated many resources of her own changed by being able to do what is desired for men to do. what does that do to the dynamic? Do they seek men with even more resources (Women dating up?) Does what they value in men change? Do they the tend to value something different in men other than security of resources, Do they tend to just desire men less because they can bring a sufficient or more than a sufficient amount of resources? WHat do you all think? If you are a woman who has accumulated resources like this what are your experiences. Forgive my being blunt; pussy doesn't date down. PERIOD. If a woman is 100k a year, rest assure, she is chasing the playboy hockey player or baller. Its been the case or so what I've seen. What ends up happening is that, she is used through her 20s, and disregarded when seeking a baby. At that stage, some cuck or beta is suppose to jump on that pulled pin. I sure as fuck wont do it. JTO warned me about dating wealthier women. She was hot and cold. I ended up dating someone else a bit younger. Sure enough, years later, she started to blow up my phone again. I did not even bother since, our time together had come and past. Sure enough, she got finished by some dude, and she needed to feel better about herself. The truth is that, we were always on different time lines and trains of thought. When I wanted a LTR, she wanted to party, and when she wanted to date, I wanted younger. Women at their SMV top form date up until they cannot any longer.
smarterthanone Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 Successful career women are the ones that write the dating articles about being pumped and dumped. Where are the good men. That kind of nonsense. They are getting pumped and dumped and can't find good men because they are career women. I'm the kind of man they like, high income earner looking for marriage, and I know I don't date them seriously. The last girls I dated had the following "careers", Dunkin Donuts, daycare worker, college student. So... yeah. A woman's resources is the last thing on a guys mind... unless he is a beta cuck. They don't want beta cucks. They sure do attract the beta cucks though.
meetjoeblack Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 16 hours ago, smarterthanone said: Successful career women are the ones that write the dating articles about being pumped and dumped. Where are the good men. That kind of nonsense. They are getting pumped and dumped and can't find good men because they are career women. I'm the kind of man they like, high income earner looking for marriage, and I know I don't date them seriously. The last girls I dated had the following "careers", Dunkin Donuts, daycare worker, college student. So... yeah. A woman's resources is the last thing on a guys mind... unless he is a beta cuck. They don't want beta cucks. They sure do attract the beta cucks though. I was hoping to find a solution to this 'pump and dump' cuck fest in the dating pool. Its run through bad boys in youth and when SMV craters, its good girl act, and baby rabies. I've dated high income women. Not a lot. Still, there is quite a bit of red flags like, what someone thinks is acceptable is beyond me. "Only have guy friends." Clearly, a red flag and not something I am playing with or taking seriously. I am not talking about teens or early 20s. I am talking about, fully grown women that should be thinking about LTRs and or marriage. Of course not. So, you fast forward years down the road, and in comes the drunk dials. Sure enough, said women just jumped off some dude's dick and well, its okay right because some cuck will be there to listen to her problems with the faintest hope of sex. I think in both our circumstances, we are responsible for who we date, and the choices we make. Men don't get the freebies of sympathy, pity party or government handouts. So, dating someone that is liberal, that has spent her youth jumping off dicks, and working at a dunken donut shop likely isn't the best candidate for you. In my situation, I tried my best, and found a woman who was 1) making a really good income and 2) attractive. Of course, in both circumstances, these are going to be few and far between. A woman with a decent income, fairly attractive or cute, and not a sloot is a keeper but again, with tinder/okc/pof, I am really reaching here. Its dawned upon me that youth seems to be the key for any man seeking a LTR. I am well aware that, at a certain point, too young lets say 18-21, in all probability, she is immature, and lacking in common interests. I don't know what the kids listen to now a days. Needless to say, I would rather a woman with a age gap, dedicated to our LTR in youth, then a woman more my age that been a jump off during her peak SMV. I've heard married men argue, its their biological clock. Quite honestly, I could give a fuck if this is a selling point now that, this matters, and lets say, a bunch of suitors were willing. Just chasing outside one's league is just the norm but, the over promo of single moms and not judging sluts these days is just maddening.
smarterthanone Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 7 hours ago, meetjoeblack said: Its dawned upon me that youth seems to be the key for any man seeking a LTR. I am well aware that, at a certain point, too young lets say 18-21, in all probability, she is immature, and lacking in common interests. I don't know what the kids listen to now a days. Needless to say, I would rather a woman with a age gap, dedicated to our LTR in youth, then a woman more my age that been a jump off during her peak SMV. I've heard married men argue, its their biological clock. Quite honestly, I could give a fuck if this is a selling point now that, this matters, and lets say, a bunch of suitors were willing. Just chasing outside one's league is just the norm but, the over promo of single moms and not judging sluts these days is just maddening. Women aged 18-21 love men in their 30's. I am currently getting pretty serious with a 21 year old who is ready for marriage and kids. I also just started talking to an 18 year old. I would go older too, like up to 24, but its not like they have an age stamped on their forehead when I go say hi to them. They really do have to be that young too, biologically. Figure they are 21, I want lets say 4 years to travel, spend time together, make sure shes long term stable. So now shes 25. I also want 4 kids. So figure one every 2 years. So shes now 33. Max good child bearing years caps at 35. So Perfect. Now if I date a 28 year old how is that going to work? Same time table puts her finishing at 40 and medically its far better to be 35 or under, especially to have to do it multiple times still. Younger women are immature in some ways but the thing with a relationship with an older man, is they like the experience and look up to you. So they readily mirror some of your qualities. They see you get up early and do some work. They think "Wow that get it done attitude is what let is going to let me be a stay at home mom and lets him take me out to nice places. Maybe there is something to it." Instead if she has a 21 year old boyfriend she never is exposed to someone like that and is immature because she just doesn't know any better.
meetjoeblack Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 9 hours ago, smarterthanone said: Quote Women aged 18-21 love men in their 30's. I am currently getting pretty serious with a 21 year old who is ready for marriage and kids. I also just started talking to an 18 year old. I would go older too, like up to 24, but its not like they have an age stamped on their forehead when I go say hi to them. They really do have to be that young too, biologically. Figure they are 21, I want lets say 4 years to travel, spend time together, make sure shes long term stable. So now shes 25. I also want 4 kids. So figure one every 2 years. So shes now 33. Max good child bearing years caps at 35. So Perfect. Now if I date a 28 year old how is that going to work? Same time table puts her finishing at 40 and medically its far better to be 35 or under, especially to have to do it multiple times still. Thanks you for your response and time. Its a busy world and I appreciate the time. I hope to one day formulate my thoughts in a concise manner and call into FRD. My only concern is anonymity, my workplace with some of my conservative views, my thoughts on 'sloot gonna sloot' and single moms. I think this is a great way to get fired or hurt your business/brand. I watched the show HIMYM. The player on the show (keep in mind, it is mainstream, and therefore, you must dismiss what is suggested for pickup/dating/LTRs as its not conducive with reality) says, "the only reason a man should wait is for her 18th birthday." I agree. There is no politically correct way in saying, when I was in high school, many girls my age at the time peaked by their 16th birthday, and plummeted or cratered with respect to SMV. I was 18 and I hooked up with this girl 16 (legal consent in my State here). Today, she is a mess, fat, highly obese numbing herself with 24/case of beer, and has multiple kids from different men. Its shameful. You organized your thoughts quite well. Are you familiar with Jordan Peterson? I want to look into his Authoring Suite. I think it would a great tool for a lot of young men. I want to review my past, present, and future to better progress towards my dreams. I am from the nuclear family, mom and dad married for nearly 40years (father/sis passed away in a fatal accident; been cooping with PTSD for sometime). Even if a woman gets close enough and learns of this dark past I've endured, they don't give a fuck, are not understanding, and I am bombarded with female logic; "only has guy friends," convos like "there was this guy friend." Trips or vacas with "friends" which translates to guy friend who again, will take her best years in SMV. Wont commit or buy the ring and or give her children but, you or I are expected to raise her babies and be her ATM until divorced or cucked. Not my resentment here because I was in the fucking dark most of my life until pickup/PUA; until I approached ludicrous amounts of women. Its like in the Wizard of Oz and seeing the little man behind the curtain. There is no going back as I have seen a good portion of female nature and I couldn't be closer to MGTOW then I am now. I just want a family; a wife, two children and I could careless of boy or girl. Just healthy I am working through my own contradictions and I was hopeful to meet more like-minded men; on their path in life like David Deida Way of the Superior man, into leave their mark on the world, living their dream and at their edge. I am seeking a solution and for the life of me, for all the pickup, for all the hard work in my careers, all the dating or insight I have had, it has left me cynical. I see the traps and sadly, I feel like Cyther from Matrix sometimes where, I wish I could be blind to the realities that men are in today. The corporate world looks down upon a man like myself that is 1) single 2) not married 3) not kids whereas, if I were married, I would be in a position they can control me. 9 hours ago, smarterthanone said: Younger women are immature in some ways but the thing with a relationship with an older man, is they like the experience and look up to you. So they readily mirror some of your qualities. They see you get up early and do some work. They think "Wow that get it done attitude is what let is going to let me be a stay at home mom and lets him take me out to nice places. Maybe there is something to it." Instead if she has a 21 year old boyfriend she never is exposed to someone like that and is immature because she just doesn't know any better. Lets be honest. There are girls 18-21 that have more sexual experience then you and I combined; maybe more then everyone on this forum lol I do believe a woman's youth is the key. This is where I disagree with Stefan about "its creepy." I think he is biased with having a daughter. I know women more my age who cratered their SMV. Its now white picket fence and good girl gimmick time to rope in some betas and cucks. I think women are steered by social engineering the way more men are becoming steered by MGTOW. Its like, I can stake half my net worth (not to imply I am wealthy by any stretch as I take care of my mom since my sis/dad died but, I am a home owner) and resources on a woman after years of being some dude's booty call. If I shared pics of how I looked, my aesthetics, and lean muscle, you would expect that my experiences would be better. The dating pool is landmines and grenades. Well, if you met a rocket of a 18year old, what do you do? I can see myself hooking up but, I am doubtful that there is much of a future. Even with early 20s. The last girl I went out with was 23. Before that, there was a girl 21/22. Before that, a girl was 26 and another that was 28 and another 29. It is crazy because you and I can come across to women years our senior who act like they are a pre teen/high schooler in heat. I've watched as women crater SMV chasing 1) rich as fuck pretty boy 2) Bad boys 3) rich dudes with resources at the tail end of SMV It doesn't end well needless to say. I ran into a girl I was dating a few years back. She is present day single white mom. I don't hate her or wish anything ill on her or her child but, I seen it coming. I was precognitive in knowing the end game and without hesitation, I let it go for good, and never looked back. It does suck man because I've been disillusioned. Nobody told me the world is this way so, I sort of feel lost at times with it. Also, losing my father, I don't have someone to shoot the shit with outside a few good friends. Even then, many are very liberal, are party to this cuck-central mentality about raising some man's children, and pity party about a woman's biological clock. Look, she doesn't care in my teens that I am alone fapping to porn the same way her needing a baby now when players stop calling is no concern to me. None. My post reeks of ambivalence. I would love to call into Stefan and I intend to once I can better organize my thoughts in a more direct way as once it goes out into cyber space via phone call + youtube, I am pretty much their for the takings.
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