Colorado Springs so called Libertarian Failure.

[Panzermk2]

Colorado Springs so called Libertarian Failure. 

Nothing about this came up under the search I did, so some thoughts.

 

 

 I do have to say it was not really very Libertarian as there was still a meddling government entity. There was no UPB in action, a core tenet of Libertarianism . Example from the article.

"The criticism of no trash cans. "

I just traveled all over Japan, one of the if not the cleanest country in the world. Good luck finding garbage cans. People don't leave trash behind they take with them. So in a societal mindset must be in place. I saw very little of this demonstrated in the article. Again I will look into this more. On the surface though the author's pro big government bias shows. This no doubt has lead to a certain amount of framing of facts.

I have done a little research and I am having a hard time finding any reference to what happened here as to be considered Libertarian other than by the author. Not to surprising because most of what happened was not libertarian in anyway.

 

 

Thoughts? 

 

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/30/colorado-springs-libertarian-experiment-america-215313

[smarterthanone]

You can't just remove services and then wait a few months and expect everything to be taken care of. You need to let people actually figure out how to solve the problems. Also one of the biggest concerns was street lights, well if people don't want to pay for them, then they are not valuable enough. The end. It isn't a bad aspect but a positive feature.

[shirgall]

The most influential libertarian from Colorado Springs with me is L. Neil Smith, and I find him to be missing from this article... I am skeptical.

[Goldenages]

Well, when one stops making debt and starts spending only the amount of money thats available, yes, suddenly some services which have been "for free" are not available any more.

Its an argument the lefts bring all the time, e.g. Great Britain was on the way to become a third world country when Margaret Thatcher hit the button for the emergency brakes.  And of course some groups lost their "vested" rights, i.e., to take money from others. It takes some time til things are settled again and real growth kicks in. So the left can always claim that times are better when socialists rule (after the free market has generated wealth) - at least to the point til the house of cards, funded on debt, crashes. And it will crash, sometimes earlier like in Venezuela, sometimes later like we will see in Europe.

 

regards

Andi

 

[RichardY]

Great Britain is a 3rd World Country, at least parts of it(2nd World where I live, empty shelves and Eastern European shop names and all) Food Banks and I heard Glasgow has a life expectancy of 50 in some areas. Margaret Thatcher wasn't nearly tough enough imho, got stabbed in the back over the poll tax. Wasn't ruthless enough, militarily, cut the budget and then when there was conflict didn't wipe out the Argentinian fleet. I mean wtf why didn't she use nuclear weapons(or MOAB on leadership if they "don't exist"), go with emp as a warning, decimate the economy. 

Colorado Springs. A lot of the towns in the mountains were former Gold mining areas now almost abandoned when contrasted to their former population. Remember travelling through one town(victor) had a population of like 200(destruction of tax base) was 20,000 odd at its peak, then gold nationalisation under FDR. Another town cripple creek, had only really survived due to gambling being legal in the town.

Besides the metal theft in the article happens around where I live(lead tiles, wiring, fibre optics mistaken for metal)  and probably virtually everywhere(heard of a story from a person in Norway about thieves removing cable from the rail infrastructure), promoting "crony" capitalists as a solution, gross in a way, even says that an industrialist organised the planting of 10,000 trees.

A lot of "nice" looking places often seem to be financed with blood money to some degree. Thinking of 3rd World dictators in parts of London, although I'm sure there are others Passau in Austria gave me the impression of being financed with blood money, Switzerland and Sweden probably another example to some degree. Anywhere green and pleasant looking in Europe I wonder.

Germany is a very clean country, though they are pretty addicted to cigarettes, have vending machines for them. Japanese I guess enjoy watching their torture on "game shows"(also saw a programme on TV about them buying dirty knickers). Might be partially related to having hundreds of thousands of people incinerated.

[ofd]

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Margaret Thatcher wasn't nearly tough enough imho,

She profitted from the North Sea Oil, the outsourcing of shady financial deals to London and good luck. She is in part responsible for turning GB into a rentier state.