robert1986 Posted September 27, 2017 Posted September 27, 2017 Lately I've been pushing back on irrational responses. Like on Cernovich page , the Free State Project page etc And whenever someone attacks me but not my argument, there is something inside me that says " this is a challenge. Do more. Push back ." When people call me names I intensify my response a little and I push back with data. It seems to me, that challenges increase my dopamine ( maybe) and irrational, emotional and non data backed responses attract me instead of repel me. Is there something wrong with me? Am I addicted to challenges in this way? What negatives are there for doing this besides not making friends with those people? Is what I'm doing uncommon? The more irrational the person the more I want to push back. Many would runaway or quit but not me. I'm drawn in more . What is this called when a person is drawn into challenging situations? Is it my desire to "fix" things? Note: I don't mean sexually turned on in any way. I did notice a few positives? Outspoken, not afraid of negative opinions, direct and honest, I'm using facts, observations, maybe a hypothesis or two. It seems I'm improving my skills. Almost like training in a way. What about the negatives? Many people think I'm crazy for pointing out irrationality. I don't sugar coat things and tell it directly how it is. Some think I'm arrogant, others think it's a Dunning Kruger Effect. All without me saying " I'm smarter than you". I would never say that but others say I do or imply it( which of course is irrational). What says the community? Am I crazy as some say?( I'm not, but that doesn't mean others don't say that)
Spenc Posted September 30, 2017 Posted September 30, 2017 I would say unless you have some unique record of being super-persuasive in these situations then you are behaving irrational, and thus your being fueled by the irrationality of others and your drive to point it out to others is projection and delightfully ironic of course. Why do you think you have a drive to push back at irrational people or irrational assertions? Did you face a lot of invalid truth/moral statements as a child that you were not free to question, criticize or correct? If yes, how did you feel in these situations?
robert1986 Posted September 30, 2017 Author Posted September 30, 2017 I think it's a drive to fix things that are broken. As a child I was not asked for opinions or what I thought. But I think it's because I want to correct these things because it's incorrect. The intent is good but because of how I present things it's looked at as being "smart" if I point these things out. If I give data put about the fertility window , biological drives of men and women it's looked down as being " a know it all" and arrogant by many. I think deep down I see people are broken so I'd like to "free" them in a way. Since I was denied such oppertunities why not try to help others. Also the more challenging a situation is the more I push back. This helps my skills to communicate with others. Why do the easy route at all when the harder route requires more work and skill?
Spenc Posted September 30, 2017 Posted September 30, 2017 10 hours ago, robert1986 said: [I am] looked down as being " a know it all" and arrogant by many. This helps my skills to communicate with others. These two statements contradict each other. My whole point is that you have no evidence that people are persuaded by you and seem to believe that people view you in quite the opposite light. So if that is the case, that means your pursuit of these conversations/debates is irrational. Now if you just say that you enjoy it and it 'turns you on' or however you worded it, fine. Have that as a hobby if you want, although to me that indicates some pathology. But as soon as you state a motive of changing minds and correcting errors, etc. you are behaving irrationally because your own feedback tells you that you are not achieving those goals.
robert1986 Posted September 30, 2017 Author Posted September 30, 2017 My goal wasn't to pursuade but to provide data that backed my observation I made. The push back was a response to people calling me names and these people did not even make a counter argument, question by observation or anything.They went straight to attacking me as a person. And this was on a page who considers themselves to be free thinkers and moral people. So of course I pushed back against emotional charged insults but that wasn't my purpose. My purpose was to state an observation, give a hypothesis on what may be causing it,how certain groups benefit from that and to apply biology to that. Nothing else. So I was attacked for doing that
robert1986 Posted September 30, 2017 Author Posted September 30, 2017 When I say this helps my skills to communicate. This means I know how to respond to such insults , I know what to look for, I can judge if that person is honest or not and it provides feedback on tactics next time. The mechanism put against me was emotions. I can learn from that and use it in the future. That is what I mean by training. I learn from certain things and I change my model to deliver that message in the future.
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