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I am having a wonderful debate with a friend about race and IQ. He presented this study and article on race and IQ  as proof that IQ is determined by SES (Social economic status). I hadn't heard of this one even though it flies in the face of all of the other twin studies.  
https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/05/why-people-keep-misunderstanding-the-connection-between-race-and-iq/275876/
https://www.psychologytoday.com/files/u81/Turkheimer_et_al___2003_.pdf

What do you all think?

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Philociraptor, 

 

Do you differentiate knowledge and intelligence? 

 

Did you know that your iq score peaks around age 8, and won't increase over time? No matter how much work or knowledge you aquire? 

 

 

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There are many people out there who have been in horrible accidents, basically a vegetable for months, then they wake up from a coma, realize their mental faculties aren't what they used to be, but try extremely hard to recover, and then end up becoming engineers or programmers or something like that. It just takes work.

Give us a few examples of people who did that.

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23 hours ago, Philociraptor said:

Intelligence and knowledge are interchangeable. Intellect is just more of a stout interpretation of "knowledge", that's because "knowledge" is a word that can be applied to things other than humans. Even a website can contain knowledge. Wikipedia might be a bit biased but since you can edit it as well, you can also try to make it LESS biased. But it's a good source of many knowledge bases. Knowledge is simply information. Intellect is information that's already inside of YOU.

My IQ has changed so much it's ridiculous. Lol.

I don't think so...

Knowledge is information acquired, while intellect or intelligence is your cognitive ability. Or, the ability to use knowledge, predict the future, solve problems, etc. It's the sheer horsepower of your brain. 

You gain knowledge and 'wisdom' over the course of your life. This allows you to make good decisions. 

Knoweldge is not the same thing as being intelligent. Even though most people confuse the two and refer to very knowledgeable people as 'smart '. These people could be very intelligent. They may not be. 

A plumber may have been to school, and spent 15 years in the field working. His knowledge and expertise is immense. However, he is no more intelligent for doing this. An IQ 160+ engineering student with no knowledge of plumbing may be able to step into a construction site and solve a complicated problem with a few hours of research that that plumber may never be able to come up with. This isn't hypothetical, I experienced  this recently  ( I do real estate investment on the side). The plumber even said ' I would have never come up with that, not in a million years'. The young student is brilliant. He was able to hop on the internet, research a few things and come up with a solution that honestly... I don't really understand. 

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Of course after realizing the bullshit that is the IQ test, as it is no longer used to help people overcome under-education, I stopped taking them.

What is undereducation and how can you overcome it?

 

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it's not having enough education. You overcome it by getting educated.

Do you have an example where that happened on a large scale?

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I didn't know anything about programming or computers before I started reading and experimenting with it. Now I understand it pretty well. 

So anybody who reads a few books about programming can become a coder?

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Did you know that many computer transistors already have ternary capability? This is because you can reverse their polarity. They have NpN or pNp type of transistors.

I knew that. I wasn't aware that there are commercial endeavours to use them for computing data.

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