Chris hart Posted December 9, 2017 Posted December 9, 2017 I think that it is really important to have an honest conversation about the US military and how people feel about it. From my view, the military is a cult because you are indoctrinated, taught to have no self worth, never question authority, and always follow orders. You are basically treated in a way that is worse than a prison. You constantly take abuse and are dehumanized because they prey on the most weak minded people who feel that they have no other option but to join. It is a form of welfare because it isn't like any other job where you may not get in, you will always get in and are bribed by them giving you things that are taken from others. It is slavery because you are there to follow orders and not question them. Because you are only doing what you are told, you can justify what you are doing because it wasn't your call.
Revolutionary Thinking Posted December 10, 2017 Posted December 10, 2017 Can't the same thing be said about the US education system? Although I'm defending any one of them here.
RichardY Posted December 11, 2017 Posted December 11, 2017 I think they are vital to the survival of a nation and/or ethnic people and any people that doesn't support them is ultimately screwed. Even a tiny military has disproportionate ability to exercise force. Something called the "Peasants war in Germany" lead to 7,000 soldiers up against 300,000 rebels butchering over 100,000 rebels, with negligible casualties. If someone holds to the NAP they are excluded from the military, if they hold to their principle. Personally I do not subscribe to the NAP, I can see situations where aggression can be useful and perhaps morally right. Like that film clip during Vietnam showing a VC prisoner being executed and getting his brains blown out, blood spurting out the side of his head on camera. Personally I'm not a military type person, tend to be very introverted, not highly motivated and focused enough. @Chris hart So are you just throwing around opinions or arguing against the military? Ultimately it is the civilian leadership that makes the military more or less necessary for various groups of people.
Tyler H Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 @RichardY OP was talking about the US military specifically. The US military and a voluntary defensive military are two very different concepts.
Tyler H Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 On 12/9/2017 at 2:01 AM, Chris hart said: I think that it is really important to have an honest conversation about the US military and how people feel about it. From my view, the military is a cult because you are indoctrinated, taught to have no self worth, never question authority, and always follow orders. You are basically treated in a way that is worse than a prison. You constantly take abuse and are dehumanized because they prey on the most weak minded people who feel that they have no other option but to join. It is a form of welfare because it isn't like any other job where you may not get in, you will always get in and are bribed by them giving you things that are taken from others. It is slavery because you are there to follow orders and not question them. Because you are only doing what you are told, you can justify what you are doing because it wasn't your call. Let’s also not forget the most important and volatile aspect; they are paid killers.
RichardY Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 A military must be able to use as much aggression as possible, to achieve ends of defending a people lives, without resorting to overwhelming lethal force. If that means conscription, breaking down doors, torture, so be it, just not my door or body (Not that I'd be able to do much but flee). Any person who has successfully integrated the unconscious elements that make aggression possible, is not going to occupy themselves with the NAP. Violence for violence sake, is evil though. Luke 24 33 And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left. 34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. 35 And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God. I remember Tom Woods saying something like. "If someone breaks into my house to steal my TV, I don't then have the right to break into other 3rd Parties houses searching for my TV." But what if it was a family member you happened to like, in that situation I would have no problem with someone using aggression per se. Even if there was only an estimated 1% chance of finding them. French mercenaries; paid by the number of ears they collect in WW2. If military personell actually wanted to kill people why not do it unpaid, eye to eye? Any war they help contribute to, is probably going to negatively affect their salaried income, long term.
barn Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 I strongly believe, this new video is a must for anyone following this thread. I have watched it twice already. (fascinating, eye-opening and straightforward) Stefan Molyneux & Scott Horton - Endless War Quote from the link's description : "Scott Horton is the managing director of the Libertarian Institute, the host of Antiwar Radio and the Scott Horton Show, the Opinion Editor of Antiwar.com and the author of “Fool’s Errand: Time to End the War in Afghanistan.”
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