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Was wondering if anyone is familiar with Synchronicity as a concept? It was mentioned by Stefan briefly in the Determinism debunked video. WRONG NOT MENTIONED IN VIDEO.

If causality is ultimately the case and "Determinism"/causality is the underlying metaphysical construct of the universe, then wouldn't it be accurate to say that rather then Stefan being a Philosopher, instead it would be more accurate to describe him as a Mechanic? Basically wouldn't the whole discipline of philosophy in fact not be a discipline, and be relegated to something less than mysticism or be subsumed into science.

Synchronicity, is not something I am particularly sure on, though if there was to even be philosophy it would seem kind of vital, lest everything be potentially known. Wikipedia has C.GJung referring to it as the paranormal. To hazard a definition, I would say synchronicity is the ability to assign meaning, irrespective of causality. 

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Was watching a STTNG Episode "The Vengeance Factor",  in the episode there are two groups of people "The Acarmarians" (A climatised People?  Sumarians?) and "The Gatherers" (Societal outcasts or nomads). A blood feud between 2 clans "The Tralesta's"(trillest - true reality) and "The Lorenaks" (Lore - cultural tradition, Naks - stuff...), has a Tralesta Assassin(sometimes referred to as Mechanics) attempting to kill the last of the Lorenaks in revenge for an earlier massacre. The assassin Yuta, uses a character referred to as The Sovereign Marouk (Marduk - A Mesopotamian God. "who speaks magic words....") to get at the Lorenaks. Anyway Yuta gets vaporised by Cmdr Riker, before she can kill the last of the Lorenaks, after being given a choice to desist. 

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Does causality take precedence over synchronicity(bearing in mind that synchronicity is acausal, in which case isn't compatiblism bunk? Chicken & The Egg) or are they both equally valid? Maybe synchronicity is bunk?

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Wrong statement, apologies.
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It was mentioned by Stefan briefly in the Determinism debunked video.

Do you have a link with timecode? Afaik, Jung said that synchronicity was a causal and unrelated to determinism.
 

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then wouldn't it be accurate to say that rather then Stefan being a Philosopher, instead it would be more accurate to describe him as a Mechanic?

Not even the staunchest determinist scientists would say that, because biology is different from physics with different emergent laws in addition to the physical laws. Studying biology takes a different perspective and mindset than studying physics or chemistry.

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Do you have a link with timecode? Afaik, Jung said that synchronicity was a causal and unrelated to determinism.
 

Not even the staunchest determinist scientists would say that, because biology is different from physics with new emergent laws in addition to the physical laws. Studying biology takes a different perspective and mindset than studying physics or chemistry.

 

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12 hours ago, ofd said:

Do you have a link with timecode? Afaik, Jung said that synchronicity was a causal and unrelated to determinism.
 

Not even the staunchest determinist scientists would say that, because biology is different from physics with different emergent laws in addition to the physical laws. Studying biology takes a different perspective and mindset than studying physics or chemistry.

Apologies ofd, Stefan did not mention in synchronicity in the video. Still... looking for some metaphysical explanation of freewill. Yeah ok there is the empirical argument of changing someones mind, a Determinist I guess would say that's just a rationalisation. (or we can measure your brain impuluses therefore determinism...)Not sure if Stefan has mentioned Synchronicty before, usually listen to youtube videos in the background.

On the second point, was thinking if you were to take a Determinist mindset to it's eventual conclusion, would end up with something like a machine, bereft of creativity, but still able to perform tasks and record information. Be a bit like NOMAD from Star Trek, I like to try and use various lore to try and comprehend things, see what fits.      

Was thinking about Freewill being the capability to compare to an Ideal standard. Kind of berfet of ideals, so I guess that precludes me of freewill, though not a determinist either. Maybe it's something like puppet masters or voodoo dolls, from a persons perspective they think they are influenced by X, but in reality a pecking order plays out for determinism (my brain is faster therefore I have the initiative) or Ideal standards that a person sets were actually incepted into a persons mind. What if someone holds communism as an ideal standard?

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