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I like having unprotected sex, and would do it with many girls if possible. The reason is because it is more pleasurable than wearing a condom. I theorize that the reason I seek the pleasure of raw sex is because some capacity for pleasure was taken from me through circumcision.

I recognize that unprotected casual sex is a potential act of child abuse in that it can result in an unwanted pregnancy. I am not thoroughly evaluating the characters of women I sleep with, so the women may potentially be abusive mothers. The women may decide to have abortions, which is murder. If the women decide to have the babies, I think I might run away from being a father.

I asked my therapist if someone like me who risks the well-being of children in exchange for carnal pleasure is morally corrupt or should have children. He said that morally corrupt is too strong a term, and would say I am morally problematic or something like that. He also said single-motherhood is not necessarily a bad thing. That even if I run away from my children, the children may still have good lives.

What do you think about my views and my therapists views regarding them?

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Love of sex is an unconscious act and since intercourse in humans is used as a means to an end to satisfy lusts it is immoral. Pursuit of more and more of it is evidence that you are avoiding thinking deeply and consciously. Of course, you can't help it.

Therapists are not wise people, if they were, they would not be therapists. Primarily, they are there to monitor patients against self-harm until they return to homeostasis as defined by a statistical norm (that is, is the person ceases to be in a crisis and returns to "normal").

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4 hours ago, Ronin_3000 said:

Why is satisfying lusts immoral? Isn't eating satisfying a lust?

Why does Stefan recommend therapy if therapists aren't wise?

Lust is to sex what Gluttony is to eating.

That you would conflate the two is quite telling. 

Basically, because it is mindless, and using another person to your own ends, therefore it is criminal type thinking. Far different is to think deeply about life and orient yourself toward what is true and just.

Whatever advice you hear from anyone, anywhere, including this, it is up to you to completely be responsible whether you agree or not.

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Hi @Ronin_3000

Perhaps I'm wrong...

1. Are you looking to cause harm? (conscious, weighed outcomes...)

2. Are you trying to provoke people here?

6 hours ago, Ronin_3000 said:

would do it with many girls if possible.

 

6 hours ago, Ronin_3000 said:

I recognize

 

6 hours ago, Ronin_3000 said:

I am not thoroughly evaluating

 

Because by acting as such, you'll be instrumental in seeing suffering.

This part is a long shot...

And it won't make your own suffering any bearable, only momentarily and for a worse thirst afterwards. 'Digging, while in a ditch.'

 

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3 hours ago, Jot said:

Have you listened to the recent call-in show with the circumcised 20 old?

Yup. I identify a lot with him. One part in which we differ is that I am more selfish than him. Stefan convinced him that he can achieve fulfillment by stopping future circumcisions, but I am envious of people who aren't cut. I experience a sense of comfort when I see cut dicks in porn, and I feel a sense of happiness, or schadenfreude when there is someone who's worse off than me like the caller.

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3 minutes ago, barn said:

Hi @Ronin_3000

Perhaps I'm wrong...

1. Are you looking to cause harm? (conscious, weighed outcomes...)

2. Are you trying to provoke people here?

I'm not looking to cause harm. I don't think I'm trying to provoke people. I guess it depends on what you mean by provoke.

I recognize that my lust might never be satisfied no matter how many different women I have sex with. I don't really have any other higher goal in my mind than sex though.

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5 minutes ago, Ronin_3000 said:

I'm not looking to cause harm. I don't think I'm trying to provoke people. I guess it depends on what you mean by provoke.

I recognize that my lust might never be satisfied no matter how many different women I have sex with. I don't really have any other higher goal in my mind than sex though.

That sounds like an honest response. Appreciate that.

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6 hours ago, barn said:

Do you smoke @Ronin_3000 ?

Nope, but I have enjoyed marijuana about a dozen times in the past. I've smoked hooka twice and enjoyed it. I had the urge to smoke weed yesterday when I heard that the kids from the Hampstead alleged satanic cult were able to recount their stories in such exquisite detail possibly because their stepfather gave them cannabis products.

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6 hours ago, Ronin_3000 said:

I answered you, but my post is pending approval for some reason. Anyway, the short answer is no.

Thanks for the heads up. I'll be reading that too, once it's appeared.

Say, you wanted to make the case for me, to give it up.

What would you be saying? (hypothetical, you might not be interested in doing so but just for the sake of this point... how about, you did so as an experiment, here?)

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Yes, I could see why that could make sense in some circumstances.

Quite a few things in the material and abstract realms can be used to create 'self-sustaining' cycles.

As I'm trying to think alongside in this discussion, something came to mind about the illusion of needs...

Are you familiar with the 'tied-to-a-pole elephant' example?

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(LOL) - You might consider extending that a tiny bit, not saying you are generally wrong.

I'm just thinking about having a conversation regarding people being conditioned and acting deterministically, on the world's most important philosophical forum that might look strange. (I know, I brought it up...)

 

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You're right, I didn't describe what I was thinking with enough detail.

In my life I have seen some patterns diminish, others I had stopped/replaced. Yet another group still exists but with fewer and fewer elements. (One in this group being smoking, an addiction of mine.)

When I look at people 'giving up/stopping', there's a clear separation between those who've done it as part of a process where they had internalised, concluded things. The other group are forced to act differently, one way or another. Which group do you think has a higher chance to keep their new, better heading?

Elephants can do cool things and all but don't think they are capable of abstractions at the level of (or at all) humans. Seeing them not being capable to snap a flimsy rope, is not something that we can apply for humans 1:1.

We have the capacity to change our opinions, seek out new information and choose to interact with it.

What do you think about these statements:

1. Not being able to break a habit/addiction, doesn't mean it can't happen with better/more relevant information.

2. Not looking to verify our own belief systems however does mean we won't be able to make a change and are most likely ruled / slaves of illusions.

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1 minute ago, barn said:

Which group do you think has a higher chance to keep their new, better heading?

I guess the person who chooses.

2 minutes ago, barn said:

1. Not being able to break a habit/addiction, doesn't mean it can't happen with better/more relevant information.

Agreed.

4 minutes ago, barn said:

2. Not looking to verify our own belief systems however does mean we won't be able to make a change and are most likely ruled / slaves of illusions.

Not sure what you mean by verify our own belief systems.

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13 minutes ago, Ronin_3000 said:

I guess the person who chooses.

Agreed.

Not sure what you mean by verify our own belief systems.

... this is how I think of it.

Humans in general are meaning making machines(automatically generated conclusions, without any effort). Some assessments are better descriptions of reality, others are worse. When we think something is true, we can compare/evaluate stuff to see whether what we'd thought was correct or not. We can test the conclusions by applying them, making predictions and repeating the process all over. Mostly.

It's like, you won't step over a puddle unless you are conscious of it/open to seeing it. But you'll always keep getting your shoes wet if you aren't prepared to look where you step. Again, at large.

Thankfully or not, humans have the capacity to make the decision of 1.looking for information, 2. changing their behaviour if desired.

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Because these questions are pointing towards a few unexamined convictions in my most humbly humble opinion, that which you'd started to explore, you could have better answers to these very dilemmas.

 

On 03/21/2018 at 3:59 PM, Ronin_3000 said:

I theorize that the reason I seek the pleasure of raw sex is because some capacity for pleasure was taken from me through circumcision.

 

On 03/21/2018 at 3:59 PM, Ronin_3000 said:

I recognize that unprotected casual sex is a potential act of child abuse in that it can result in an unwanted pregnancy. I am not thoroughly evaluating the characters

 

On 03/21/2018 at 3:59 PM, Ronin_3000 said:

I asked my therapist if someone like me who risks the well-being of children in exchange for carnal pleasure is morally corrupt or should have children.

I'M NO PROFESSIONAL AND THESE ARE MY AMATEUR (AND RESPECTFUL) VIEWS.

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Let me add that, a few days ago I had a conversation with someone who is having doubts about their relationship with the partner.

It started out as a casual description of their last quarrel over some inconsequential stuff but when I heard there was a high-ish possibility of STDs being in the picture and how my 'friend' didn't see why that was abuse/enabling lifethreatening risks when I pointed it out... I asked myself: 'What does my 'friend' value more/thinks, it is of higher value, that overwrites the risk of potentially deadly STDs?'

It's anecdotal stuff, I know... What I'm getting at is...

Real answers are always very close and DO make a huge difference. People can choose to look or not.

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No, you said "seek".

Everybody values pleasure. Be it masochistic pleasure, the same. Am I right?

3 minutes ago, Ronin_3000 said:

A feeling of being desired?

I don't know.

 

3 minutes ago, Ronin_3000 said:

what could it be?

Fully 'agree'.

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By the way, these are VERY big questions. Hard ones for anyone to face.

I think it is commendable that you keep a constructive and open minded attitude about it.

Also, I hope I'm not putting words into your mouth at any point. Please, do tell if you suspected it being the case.

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