Linux CODE OF CONDUCT (CoC)

[barn]

Hi thinkers and alike,

Personally, couldn't believe it when reading/hearing about it... the open source community? Is it the foreshadowing of the digital equivalent of UPB being born, currently being hammered out? Or perhaps it's SJW-s eating finally into the fabric of yet another field generally regarded as foundational?

Just remember, without Linux the world stops (if abrupt interference, withdrawal of code and no adequate &! immediate replacement or substitution... not to mention the certain euphoria companies at Silicon Valley will be experiencing suddenly... naturally, to the detriment of everyone else outside of their 'buddy-buddy' group.)

(link)

About some of the signees, in no particular order :

Linus Torvalds

Greg Kroah-Hartman

Dan Williams (Intel)

Chris Mason (Fcaebook)

 

ps. - I have no clue what's the best, no authority... Just saying, I'm done with dual-boot for a while, that's for certain!

Edited September 25, 2018 by barn
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[Siegfried von Walheim]

"Post-meritocracy". Good God, Linux is about to get blown out of the water...

Well, termites are a damnable problem everywhere they infest, and I'm certain they'll inevitably lose just because they can't live without a host (so all it takes is pioneers to say "no" and suddenly the termites don't have a host to feed off of anymore).

[WorBlux]

Everyone freaks out when Linux changes, but It'll probably be just fine.

Linux as it's succeeded has gotten more and more corporate, and some sort of formal code of expected conduct and conflict resolution is likely needed. Linus doesn't really go off all that often, but still more than is average on the mailing list, and it always makes the news.

However adopting the Covenant Code of Conduct was a terrible idea. First of is gives the impression that there was some sort of existing problem with discrimination. Second,  it puts forth the best way to deal with problems is to make an anonymous report to a advisory body that wasn't chosen for this purpose, and may or may not have the credibility in the community to make final decisions stick and gives a lot of room for interpretation of the rules. Third, it's actual result in many communities has been discord and a exodus.

But I don't think Linus or Greg have any great attachment to this particular code, so when the problems pop up, they can reach for something like the KDE code which is a lot more goal and process oriented, and less adversarial. An open source project without open and transparent governance isn't going to hold a lot of community support or long.

[barn]

Hi @WorBlux

That's an awesome response (clear ideas), hope you don't mind me taking a part and making it a bit more organised here...

6 hours ago, WorBlux said:

However adopting the Covenant Code of Conduct was a terrible idea.

First of is gives the impression that there was some sort of existing problem with discrimination.

Second,  it puts forth the best way to deal with problems is to make an anonymous report to a advisory body that wasn't chosen for this purpose, and may or may not have the credibility in the community to make final decisions stick and gives a lot of room for interpretation of the rules.

Third, it's actual result in many communities has been discord and a exodus. 

Here I just wanted to add some stuff, not criticise your points :

1st - Agree, because the code either works or if it doesn't... nobody will be using it. At least it's supposedly the way the user base, in the spirit of opensource usually prefers it...from my basic understanding.

2nd - Yeah, right. Because that works/ed out so well not just here but in any other realm where a few selected (or self-elected) individuals decide/d for others.

3rd - True. I immediately thought of Mozilla - Firefox but I'm sure many have much better, many more examples. (Waterfox, -> PaleMoon, more opensource, added bonus is having NO Soros connection)

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Plus:

If anyone were to build a house but they could only license some of the bricks, of which individual bricks their owner could remove at any point in time... why would anyone want to build a house?

6 hours ago, WorBlux said:

Everyone freaks out when Linux changes, but It'll probably be just fine. 

Is this along the lines of 'relevant past behaviour / experience is a good predictor of future outcomes' to the power of 'probably will be fine'?

I don't share your optimism due to what happened to Mozilla for example. (but I realise the existence of my heightened skepticism compared here, maybe I'm biased even and would rather reduce risks as much as possible... no faith)

Or the DNS registry takeover by stakeholders, handover, to the UN. (ICANN - 2016)

6 hours ago, WorBlux said:

Linux as it's succeeded has gotten more and more corporate

Yes. A common trend frequently observed within companies that offer something really valuable at first, start out 'Don't be evil' (wink-wink)...and then more often than not... you know.

Are there any examples to the opposite? (started out highly restricted, biased and then progressively became the opposite?)

6 hours ago, WorBlux said:

An open source project without open and transparent governance isn't going to hold a lot of community support or long. 

Or it will, just the community will be replaced from within... akin to population replacement. Slowly, unspoken but when it's obvious, then it's already too late. (no, I'm not paranoid... checking behind my back frequently is a completely natural behaviour ) Anyhow.

But seriously, it's what logically follows. A community that won't protect its values, isn't going to stay the same... Gets changed. Question is, how similar / different the new values are?

I for one, can't imagine a true assessment where more restrictions can in some way equal an increase in freedom.

Edited September 25, 2018 by barn
bits'n-pieces

[shirgall]

They're already going after Ted T'so as a "rape apologist" but the theory is they are going after him for refusing to accept a Intel patch that would have substantially reduced entropy in the random number generator.

I have to stay far away from this topic in public as I work in this space directly.

[barn]

Huh.

Diversity isn't a strength? Except for when monitoring subroutines for 'compatibility reasons' ?

breadcrumbs...? (I'm shooting in the dark here...)

 

ps. - respect, understandable, sure

[ticketyboo]

On 9/25/2018 at 5:57 PM, shirgall said:

They're already going after Ted T'so as a "rape apologist" but the theory is they are going after him for refusing to accept a Intel patch that would have substantially reduced entropy in the random number generator.

They called him a "rape apologist" based on him citing some stats. Next, they are going after anyone that defends Kav.

On 9/25/2018 at 5:57 PM, shirgall said:

I have to stay far away from this topic in public as I work in this space directly.

You post on FDR using something approximating your real name? How is this possible? Do you have FU money, or an FU job, or some other position of FU, or just an FU attitude? Or do you just avoid posting anything controversial?

[shirgall]

7 hours ago, ticketyboo said:

They called him a "rape apologist" based on him citing some stats. Next, they are going after anyone that defends Kav.

You post on FDR using something approximating your real name? How is this possible? Do you have FU money, or an FU job, or some other position of FU, or just an FU attitude? Or do you just avoid posting anything controversial?

For the most part I don't post anything controversial. Not much to hide when talking about philosophy, history, science, empiricism, voluntarism, and truth.

[ticketyboo]

5 hours ago, shirgall said:

For the most part I don't post anything controversial. Not much to hide when talking about philosophy, history, science, empiricism, voluntarism, and truth.

Ted T'so's "rape apology" post was empirical and truthful. James Damore's memo was empirical, truthful, and scientific.

Maybe you mean discussing the abstract concepts, rather than applying them. Applying them to the real world is what gets people into trouble. But that's what makes Stefan's channel so useful and engaging.

I'm not sure what's "safe" anymore. See the recent hysteria surrounding Stef's speaking tour. You are guilty of posting on the message board of and donating to a known alt-right german national socialist rape apologist etc. The truth doesn't matter. It's no longer about what lies the left can get people to believe; it's about what lies they can force people to accept.

I've seen probable infiltrators come in here and try to start threads about and try to bait others into posting in threads about german national socialism. How much would it cost CNN to pay an intern to get an account here and try to gin up something they can screen cap and use for a narrative? How much would it be worth to them? I suspect this is why Stef never posts in here. This forum is a huge liability for him.

When they are out to get you, you need to be paranoid.

[shirgall]

I know I'm in trouble if people just sift what I've posted here years ago. I hardly ever post here anymore. I don't talk about politics at work most of the time. I made a stink about an acceptable use policy that was imposed on our customers that used the vague term "hate speech" though.