Chisleu

I click on your name, I see 100-some and a big green box. I click on my name and I see -1 and a red box. I do own my posts. They are my thoughts put into action by my fingers. It turns me off, but not nearly as much as the thread I started being deleted without someone even trying to contact me. Kinda dumb. Guess I'll find somewhere else to be.

Right or wrong, I don't like participating with a site that gives me a negative rating. I have done nothing to deserve being hated on.

I agree. I've tried to explain this to her. However her mother raised her with all these crazy "old wives' tales" like being cold or wet causes colds. She is a religious statist, so I hold little hope of getting through. The kid is bright. I think if she just left him the towel, he would dry off. If he didn't, he would be cold and figure out that being cold sucks, so not drying off is probably not a great idea. I'm looking for methods of bargaining. I'm already trying to explain things to him. I'm not sure what to bargain. I've been using threats like taking away toys or TV time as punishment for very bad things (like yelling at his mother... I wonder where he gets it from??) I know this isn't the right way to go about things and I want to stop, but I need certain behaviors to stop. He got into trouble at preschool and neither of us want him to get kicked out. I've explained and it hasn't reoccurred, but should he decide he likes doing "x" more than not getting kicked out of preschool, or doing "y" more than "z", I can already see I need peaceful tactics or there is going to be a lot of taking shit away. The preschool uses stamps. They get stamps on days they are good and when they get 10 stamps, they get to pick from a "treasure chest" of penny items. I'm not into buying obedience, but considered using their's. Perhaps reenforcing the stamps / penny items with special privileges like being able to watch TV on my big television, or being able to play with my legos (I have a huge collection from my childhood that I plan to give to him when he is old enough to enjoy them properly.) I want to teach him to respect people and their property and I don't feel I'm doing that by taking his toys away without his consent. The same for teaching him liberty and putting him in time out. Thanks!

My child is 4 years old. He is wonderful almost all of the time. I've never hit him, although I know my wife has lost her temper a few times and has hit him on the butt. I'm sure his grandmother has as well. Its rather disgusting to me. He is in preschool now, so the time he spends with his grandmother is now limited. Thus, he is generally a pretty great kid. He does things I ask (gimme some sugar!!!) and the like. Recently he has been yelling back when his mom asks him for something. For instance tonight she asked him repeatedly to stop playing with the glass on the shower so she could dry him off after a shower, my boy started yelling in increasing volume. Clearly we aren't perfect parents. I've found myself resorting to time-outs (inflicting boredom on his budding brain.) I'm currently listening to the Negotiation: Part 1 video and I'll finish Part 2. I believe I've listened to these before. I know Stefan is currently working on a parenting book that I plan to buy a hard copy of. Has he put together any pod casts on the topic of negotiation with children? I'm very interested in moving us to be much closer to "peaceful" on the parenting scale. Any videos or podcast on links on peaceful parenting will be appreciated!

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2013/08/22/medical-marijuana-applications-due-mass/iwiOSf0E80spk6yXtMXk6M/story.html The government set an artificially low limit of 35, non-profit-only, MMJ dispensaries. My favorite quote: ‘‘We are glad that it was a highly competitive process and it will ensure patients’ access to the medical use of marijuana in the Commonwealth’’ -- Commissioner Cheryl Bartlett. Its nothing close to competitive. The ones with the best political connections will make it and the rest will be hosed. They will have little need to compete as there will be 1 dispensary per 300 square miles and it will likely be terribly hard to replace a poorly functioning, undesirable dispensary. IMO, Drugs are bad, but government is worse.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/12/sinkhole-disney-florida-video/2644427/ I actually heard a reporter use the term "natural phenomenon" once. Sure it is, but to me this is the shiniest star in the constellation "Government screw ups". Please let me know if I have missed some steps: *) Government artificially deflates the price of water so People/companies use more of it *) Sinkholes start happening as the water tables are drained so government makes it impossible to sue the companies that are causing the sink holes *) Government has to save the day by legislating artificially low "sinkhole insurance" http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/sinkhole-law-fixed-little-officials-and-homeowners-agree/1209162 It seems like this is one of the better examples of a government wanna-be perpetual-make-work scheme. Does anyone have any good links for me?

Waking life was unwatchable for me sober. I can only imagine it would be captivating on substances. Slacker looks to be the same, but interesting. I'll check it out.

http://www.policemisconduct.net/the-waco-incident-20-years-later/ Great cato article and paper on Waco. I had seen 1-2 documentaries before and was surprised how much I didn't know about Waco!! Here is a great documentary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebolPiRyhTo Definately worth the time to watch the 2 hour video.

http://www.policemisconduct.net/ Apparently they didn't renew the domain or something. I'm not sure why, but it's now online at the above link!

Well we know they spy on us because we are members of an anti-government online community! And we are godless to boot!

I was on my motorcycle and on my way from school to stop by my work. When I go by, I usually drive through the parking lot and around all the buildings to be sure no mischief is afoot. Unknown to me a cop pulled into the parking lot behind me and had his blue lights on. I would later find out that he didn't like the way I was changing lanes. He, a freaking moron, had no idea I was riding a very short wheel base supermoto with a characteristicly high seat. It makes it seem more dramatic from the front/back when you turn or take a lane. Your body moves more even though you aren't changing lanes any faster than you would be on any other motorcycle. Rather than getting my attention by turning on the siren, he chases me all around the parking lot, going up and down all the rows of buildings behind me. I can't see him because he is way back behind me and supermotos have useless mirrors. They can't really be positioned in a usable way without becoming a danger themself... When he finally turns on his sirin after leaving black marks all over the parking lot from sliding around chasing me (while I'm driving very casually), I immediately look back and stop, turning around to face them as they drive up to me. I turn the engine off and flip up my motorcycle helmet. I assumed they were trying to get my attention, knowing this was my business, because cops are all the time asking us for free car washes. We used to have machines setup to allow the cops to wash for free. The passanger cop jumps out of the cruiser, pulls his gun, and starts screaming for me to turn off the bike (which is already off.) Watching this cop insanely overreact ruined my opinion of police officers. I've had my run-ins with them before and been threatened and had cops harass me over a prank I hadn't been a part of. However getting a gun pulled on me for no damned reason takes the cake.

It was taken over by Cato so it wouldn't disapear but I found it inaccessable for days at a time, and now it seems to have been offline for weeks?! I can't find any pages or news reports talking about it shuting down. What is going on?

If you just look at those 1582 subjects, you don't get 50% effective, you get absolutely no proof of effectiveness whatsoever. He goes on to point out: So we're getting closer to the truth. But still: If the vaccine was, at best, 17% effective in this biased group, some fancy maths would be required to determine the likely effectiveness rate amongst the general population allowing for the fact that the flu vaccines are completely useless for the elderly as proven by the CDC themselves. Flu vaccines failed to provide protection this year, particularly among elderly But don't worry about these facts - just get your damn shots! I'm going to be as nice as possible. This will be my last response. Your bullcrap is appauling. In the study you quote: Those who did not get the shot were 200% more likely to get the flu. Those who DID NOT get the shot were 200% MORE LIKELY to get the flu. The flu can and does kill people every year. 105 children this season alone. The flu CAN AND DOES KILL PEOPLE every year. 105 CHILDREN this season alone. The flu vaccine does not kill people. The flu vaccine DOES NOT KILL PEOPLE. It may cause minor reactions, but I'm betting a little red welp would have been acceptable to the parents of those 105 children. The flu vaccine is not perfect. Doctors make their best guess as to which of the many influenzas are going to come from the pig farms in China (and Mexico) and they start creating vaccines for those before those viruses ever spread. "The flu" is a class of illness, not a certain disease. I would expect the vaccine is in the 99%+ efficacy rate for the specific viruses it was designed to protect against, however they can't predict which viruses will spread. IN FACT, the fact that so many people (over 100 million Americans every year) are vaccinated for the ones the virologists think most serious and spreadable certainly prevents many other non vaccinated people from contracting the disease.... Talk about a free rider problem.... Get your head out of your butt. Stop seeing conspiracy everywhere because when you really do stumble upon something worth looking at, people are going to ignore you because of your constant nonsense. Your noise is tantamount to yelling fire in a theater.

Actually it isn't enough. Thanks for pointing that out. It's only enough for the average american who understands that 50%+ of american children are vaccinated against the flu now, and it's rising in spite of the bullshit. For the statistic to be neutral, 90% of children would have to be unvaccinated. http://healthyamericans.org/report/102/ I hate circumcision as well. You don't have to agree with everything an organization says to agree with one point. That goes for Hitler too.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/cdc-105-us-children-died-flu-season-18790325#.UUzFcxzvvF8 90% were not vaccinated. Only 1 child died shortly after receiving the vaccine so far this season, however it is impossible to determine if it was a reaction to the vaccine, or she simply got a different flu virus at the same time. Yes, there were many with adverse reactions, the overwealming majority of which are local site reactions (redness and swelling.) None rising anywhere close to the DEAD these 105 experienced from the flu itself. The flu is more dangerous than the vaccine. The flu is more dangerous than the vaccine. Not vaccinating your children is a potential death sentance. Vaccines are not perfect. 10% of children who died from flu had been previously vaccinated because vaccines do not protect against all possible strains of flu, just the ones likely to spread. 90% of children who died from the flu were not vaccinated. 90% of children who died from the flu were not vaccinated. The rate of Guillain-Barré syndrome does not change if you are vaccinated. Stop listening to lies and bullshit 99% spread by individuals with no medical training, who think someone is going to kill you with the shot on purpose. Realize that the powers that be can kill as many of us as they want, in very short order, and complex conspiracies are rediculously unnecessary. Don't let crack pots kill your kids.

Crackpots? To the OP: You don't get to define God.

I'm confused by this. If your child has been vaccinated, why worry? Nice catch. Thanks. I'm not going to bother to respond further. People are explaining how the blood is incapable of removing the poison vaccines from your body. I'm done with the conversation. Dangerous talk is dangerous.

Without getting further lost in metaphor, a guess, no matter how well educated, is just a guess. Some people like to call these guesses other words depending on the rigidity of the intellectual erection they have in the subject. They call them theories when they have little reason to doubt the evidence they have in favor or their guess. It's still a guess. We have no way or proving it (yet) so it can not be a fact. We don't "know" much about the ancient civilizations and what we do learn (weekly it seems) often invalidates what we thought we "knew" a week before. Because of this vicious cycle of inaccuracy, how can we claim knowledge on the guesses? You think it's not flexible? Been to china lately? The sea is always blue? Except when it's clear, or green, or, etc, etc... If I said I used to work in the field of automotive design and didn't know what a wankle was, one might take pause. TM wasn't the only educated gentlemen who has written books on Stoned Ape, but I'll sum it up for you. As Africa dried, ancient man came down from the now fruitless trees and had to hunt and gather for food. One stance is that the evolutionary leap where the human brain doubled in size in an unpresidentedly fast timeframe is that he started throwing spears. The idea being that the evolution of layman's calculus required to effectively do that caused the human brain to expand and develop so quickly. TM once noted that if this were the case, shouldn't Major League ball players be the pinical of human evolution? A joke, but none the less. Stone Ape theory is that the rotting ground under the dieing canopy would have been ripe with Psylocibin-containing mushrooms, and that generations of humans consuming these gained brain size and brain power, perhaps as a result of the neurogenic effects that have been discussed here. There is a HUGE quantity of data on ancient use of psychedelics, from mushrooms, to high doses of oral marijuana, and more recently peyote, ayahuaska, and salvia divinorum. Interestingly, there was a pretty great book publish ~10 years ago on the links between mushroom fertility cults and ancient Judeism. This is a greatly abreviated version of the "guess", but it makes a lot of sense in a lot of ways, especially when we study the effects of mushrooms on modern day apes. One could spend a dozen hours on youtube watching TM and other talks on the subject. TM had an amazing mind. His data-recall ability was incredibly honed. He could remember tons of stats from studies done decades before, the year, who worked on it, etc, etc, at any time. I want to be clear about this point however. I do not advocate drug use. I merely advocate scientific study of all substances regardeless of DEA classification. We have ignored whole classes of substances because prudish christians felt the need to protect "society" from itself...

Let's call a spade a spade... The sky is blue. That doesn't mean it was blue in 10k BC!!! It was probably red because it being blue now is irrelevent! I agree with a lot of what the OP said. We have a lot of evidence to support the information in paragraph 1. If Stoned Ape was the case, it makes even more sense as mushrooms are a stimulent. Paragraph 2 has good information in it. It doesn't say EVERY society had rites of passage involving psychedelics, but we know many did/do. Paragraph 3 is undefendable. It may have some basis in reality, but it's not an argument I would support. "Can anyone with better historical knowledge provide more information on these theories or help to put them in context?" This was the only question asked, and what I responded to.

I never said that we do! All I said is that it makes sense. What we "know" of prehistoric humanity would probably fit in a thin book. What we GUESS about prehistoric humanity fills shelves at local libraries around the world. I never said, and I sincerely doubt Joe said that we "know" all the old tribes "did" this and that. If he did, it's just another reason to take what he says with a grain of salt. We know some ancient tribes had human sacrifice. It doesn't mean they all did. Nor does it imply that raping children was the most common passtime. It seems you are argueing against a claim that I don't make. No, it's absolutely not confirmation bias. I don't want to believe anything. I simply have ideas of what I think may have happened in some cases based on what I know about humanity to this point. I'm not looking for validation. I don't care what ancient tribes liked to mutalate their manchild's genitalia. I'm simply saying that society for lack of a better word has an interest in children being raised free of abuse. I'm not saying society gains some sort of right of force because of it's general desire not to see children raped, murdered and beaten. I'm just saying that in small and voluntary situations, children can benefit directly by more social childraising. Again, I was not talking about nat geo in relation to ancient society... it's my understanding that they exclusively cover what is happening around the world TODAY. You are arguing against things I don't believe. Find someone who thinks nat geo knows fuck all about the lives of half apes and argue with him! hehe <3 the discussion. Don't take me the wrong way.

I'm not quite sure, what this study has to do with psychedelic drugs, maybe you posted the wrong link? This study deals with psychotropic drugs (SSRI's, Lithium, and such) and opiates (cocaine, herione). While I found this a very fascinating read (as it also has a lot of info on neureogenesis outside drug-use and seems to contradict some earlier notions of no neurgenesis happening in the adult brain at all) it has nothing to do with psychedelic drugs as far as I can see. I really enjoyed the video you posted though (which seems to implicate an intersting correlation between Psylocibin and increased neurgenesis if done in the right concentration (and a decrease if done in the wrong conentration). Most fascinating part was, that it seems that the wrong amount seems to be in between the right amounts and not just a simple linear progression. Thanks for the links though, I found them to be very interseting and fascinating Psychedelics are psychotropics. Also I believe the majority of psychedelics are agonists for same receptors. (Psilocybin, 25I-NBOMe, n-n-DMT, etc) n-n-DMT is one of the chemicals involved in dreaming. It's thought to be produced by your pineal gland and perhaps linked to the Near Death Experience / Death Experience (white light, tunnel, etc.) This is all hypothesis, but having done a fair bit of research on n-n-DMT I can tell you that without a doubt it is involved. It's certainly not the only chemical at work, but pure n-n-DMT gives an experience very close to the dreamstate. This leads me to my next avenue of thought. Sleep deprivation. More specifically, REM deprivation. http://sfprg.org/control_mastery/docs/Sampson1966.pdf http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-20071029-000003.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_deprivation I hypothesize that sleep deprivation is DMT withdrawl. DMT is a natural and necesary neuroreceptor. If it is indeed linked with neurogenesis, and I'm not certain it is or even if it's an overall good thing (it could increase neurogenesis because the brain sees brain cells being destroyed (there are chemicals sent out called the "death signal" to let other stuff know it's time to die too! haha!!)) Can you tell I (love) certain (symbols. There is huge neurogenesis thought to be a result of ECT as well, which we know kills brain cells. There simply isn't enough evidence to suggest that people should dose drugs to get smarter! However we know for a fact that REM denial is dangerous. It changes behavior, and can lead to psychotic episodes!!! Otherwise sane people in REM denial studies have shown breaks with reality as a result of REM denial for only a few days. We don't know exactly what is going on (yet) but we do know that n-n-DMT plays a role. Good thing it's schedule I or people might smoke it on youtube (Adam vs The DMT) and have a few minutes of giggling and napping. OH THE WOES OF GIGGLING AND NAPPING!!! Surely it if was legal people would be smoking it driving Mac Trucks... but I digress. The rats in the above study showed all sorts of behavioral changes including lazyness/lack of care, and poor instictual reactions. Humans showed various functions being reduced, confusion, and overeatting!! Sounds like REM denial drugs would be the perfect thing to give to humans to dumb them down and enslave them, but I'm no conspiricy theory buff. Making excuses for someone who expresses sincerity in their views is not skepticism. I know that Joe isn't a philosopher, but the least we can do is be honest about his predelections and call a spade a spade. If you still like to hear him talk, that's fine. Nobody is going to judge you here for enjoying a little light socialist banter. Two very small parts of the puzzle that make up our ancient past. I'm sure a nat geo special would go out of it's way to elaborate on what they can glean from the limited information/artifacts at hand, but what we watch on the tele and what's our best scientific understanding of pre-historic culture are two diffirent things. I'm confused. I have no predelection to socialism. I don't enjoy socialist banter. I did not hear the comments in question although I have heard him speak of it before, so unless we can get a direct quote, I don't know what to say about it. "I'm sure a nat geo special would go out of it's way to elaborate on what they can glean from the limited information/artifacts at hand" What are you talking about? I'm talking about tribes that exist today. Not fossil records and cave drawings. I'm talking about video I've seen that was presented as an accurate representation of modern day life for these indiginous tribes. Sure, perhaps it is doctored and massaged to present a message they desired, but so is "our best scientific understanding". Myself, I try to take in as much information as possible, examine the posibilities (even somewhat remote ones,) and decide what I think probably happened given what I know at the time. It can change from time to time, and has done so, and will continue to do so. However knowing that tribal child rearing IS the norm for some, and to a lesser extint, IS the norm for ME makes me very likely to believe that ancient tribes participated in the same practices. It makes sense for small groups of people to watch each other's backs (and kids.) I'm not saying that children should be the property of society, and I (almost) KNOW FOR CERTAIN Joe Rogan wouldn't advocate that. That being said, unless I get a quote, I guess I don't have anything more to say. Voluntarily working together and trusting and relying on people close to you is the opposite of socialism.

I will check those out now. Thank you so much. Ive been dealing with internet issues all afternoon (and really for 7 weeks) and I think they have finally fixed it!! I'm very excited at the prospect of legitimate research on psychedelics. It's wrong that an entire class of drugs was banned outright (most as schedule I) even though legitimate studies were reporting huge benefits to many of them. Ibogain for alchohol dependance treatment, etc. Hopefully America will get it's head out of it's ass sooner than later. Sorry... don't mean to diverge too far from the topic at hand.

He is certainly guilty of stating certain theories as fact (... especially concerning n-n-DMT.) I have to take commedian / face puncher rogan with appropriate scepticism. I do know that certain tribes had tribal child rearing, and that it can be beneficial. Certain tribes ate people and even "advanced" cultures were still executing children with the slightest birth defect... Watch some nat geo. There are still tribes in Africa and at least 1 in South America that don't interact with the outside world and have a sort of communal spirit, although most have a leadership structure and are authoritarian in nature.

Finally someone else struggling with the effects of JR and TM.... Thank goodness. "You should all smoke DMT and join my cult motherfucker." That statement and the larger recording it is from plagued me for a while. I love Joe Rogan. He has said some things I know to be false, and has advocated irresponsible use of certain chemicals by using scientifically unfounded claims, and passing off hypothesis as theory and worse still, some theory as fact. In spite of that, much of what he says is at the least interesting, and generally-speaking well researched. He is a friend of Alex Jones, however. Yes. Other studies support this as well. Bill (douche) Marr called it an "asshole inhibitor". I fully agree. Ego is dangerous and the (very) occational bitchslap / ego death is not a bad idea for SOME people. There is CURRENTLY a study running to study it's use in hospice patients, which I think is a marvelous idea. Even if this is all there is, there is no reason to fear death. Even if the psychedelic experience is just a complex biochemical reaction, if it can help people to pass in peace and with hope for an "afterlife" of some sort, I think it's a great thing. In studies, most people who take a dose of psilicibin in a good (controlled) environment report it as a positive experience with long lasting positive effects. Many have called it a religious experience, and some even said it was the most profound experience of their life. Not scientifically investigating the substance because of rediculous laws is a tragedy. I agree that technology has disconnected us from the natural world, but not with the assertion that private property rights is a problem. PPR evolves from self ownership in my opinion. It's a good. Unfortunately, I do not have anything to point you twards. I also don't agree in pure / social group child rearing. I think on the smallest of scales, most people use it. My lifestyle would be much different if I didn't have family support. I do agree that it could possibly provide benefits as stigmatism of child abuse spreads. Unfortunately, in bad environments it could be a terrible thing. Parental rights must trump the ideas of the herd. No one hits my child (to my knowledge.) Before Stoned Ape, there was mushroom spores as space traveling aliens. To say TM is a fringe anthropologist is putting it lightly. However it is an interesting if unprovable theory. What we do know is SOMETHING happened to make the human brain develop faster than is explainable by evolution as we know it. Yes, it is still possible that our brains doubled in size so quickly by some crazy mutation, and certainly humans with big brains are potentially much better at killing humans without such brainpower. It is an absolutely interesting and at least, to the best of my knowledge, a workable theory. I don't think anyone is pawning off prehistoric theory as "history". TM was an anthropologist (and certainly on the fringe.) I agree it is absolutely a "science" of the invention of ideas. We are learning (guessing) more and more as we dig and explore more. There is science behind it. We know from scientific study that the pre-human brain doubled in size in the (relatively) short period of 1 million years. This event is scientifically unprecedented. It hasn't happened to the best of our knowledge before, or since. I don't believe in the unexplainable, but it's unexplained. It's the basis of stoned ape theory, which seems to me to be an interesting and plausable theory. I believe the competing theory is the evolution of lay-man's calculous by some ancient prehuman figuring out how to throw things accurately. Just as fringe in my opinion. Look at the studies on mushroom use in present-day apes. The theory and evidence suggests that psilicibin use reduces these tendencies. Communal existance still happens today in tiny tribes in South America, and Africa. On the smallest of scales (tiny tribes / families), it works. Certainly a psycho can upset the applecart, and I'm not advocating that lifestyle. I doubt the Azteks were dosing halucinogens before ritualisticly sacrificing humans, but maybe so. The idea of a "noble savage" is somewhat rediclous. However in modern apes, we have found that when they are given psychedelic doses of psilicibin, they group together, groom each other, and group hug. It's not evidence of anything, but it's interesting to me. prehistoric man was a human ape. Research the Stoned Ape theory. I found it to be quite interesting. I've not read that study. I'm very intersted to study that. Hopefully it was well done and not flake science. Could you give me the link to that study, if it was an online article, please? I'd be really curious to read that one I'm hunting it as well. If someone finds it please post it up.

It's possible the designers evolved from pools of amino acids on thier planets, but where the hell did the planets come from? It's so easy to materialists to take for granted the multiverse. I do not. I think this is partly due to my possibly too-open mindedness. Since I made the original post, I've come to find that the ATP Synthase is found in various forms in most/all living things. Plants, Animals, etc. It's found in the Archaea (sp?) that are one of the oldest known branches of life evolution on Earth suggesting it likely existed VERY early in the evolution of the single cell organisms forever-some years ago. This is VERY interesting and certainly doesn't rise to the level required to call it "proof" of anything, but it is a VERY interesting scientific FACT, none the less. What times we live in.