Mishelle

looks interesting thanks!

Here's an interesting 7 hour rant all about this--only 1/2 way through so far, but it's making me laugh, since so much of it was in my head just a couple months ago! Mark Passio "New Age bullshit and the supressionof the sacred masculine" y'all might like?

Does anyone have experience/interest in Intentional Community? Self-reliance? Homeschooling? I'm at the very initial stages in exploration and would love to have any personal anecdotes or good references in researching.

Howdy y'all This one just takes the cake on the "One consciousness" so I just had to share! This guy is really good, if you don't know him yet. Surveillance State: first step to creating a single universal mind by Jon Rappoport July 3, 2013 www.nomorefakenews.com "Technical barriers to grafting one person's head onto another person's body can now be overcome, says Dr. Sergio Canavero, a member of the Turin Advanced Neuromodulation Group." (Quartz.com July 2) So...imagine we were living in that kind of society 50 years up the road. We might get something like the following: Finally... Your job at the Central General Corporation brings you a longed-for special perk. You can sign up and get on the list for a new mind. The technical description of the surgery is over your head, but the basics are thrilling. Two solid improvements are speed and accuracy. You will think 20 times faster, and your rate of mistakes will drop to .01%. Your IQ will rise by a minimum of 50 points. There is also an automatic signal when a problem you're working on won't resolve. Your left ear lobe burns. This informs you that, no matter how hard you try, you won't be able to come to a useful conclusion. You'll save a great deal of time. The new mind you're getting contains several basic elements: 157,893 generalizations (or premises) deemed to be truthful; a deductive logic program that is ironclad; and an instantly accessible technical library adjusted to your job. The library automatically generates, collates, and summarizes the best available information re the problem you're working on, in line with the previously installed generalizations (premises) and the logic program. For an additional fee, you can opt for a social program that will enable you to shift out of work-mode and communicate effectively with colleagues, friends, and family. The left-ear-lobe burn signal will go live whenever social conversations touch on controversial issues. This is your cue to back away and seek other company. Your new mind will be monitored 24/7 from a combined NSA-DHS node that ensures proper functioning. If repairs are needed, a partial shutdown will deploy. Corrections will normally take less than three hours. There is also a bullpen function. Persistent questions for which there is no available answer; personal reflections and contemplations; and any instance of social, political, financial, or existential claustrophobia will all be funneled to a dead space where they will linger and progressively fade. A tiny but important Grand Slam Package will translate any thoughts once deemed to be creative into a sludge-mesh, where the velocity of transmission will slow to one synaptic flash per hour. In other words, you'll achieve close to a zero rate on imagination. At the perimeter of your new mind is the Cattle Farm. Slow moving, meaningless, and random tautologies circulate there, efficiently blocking exit from the space of consciousness. You're centered where you're most needed, where you can perform usefully and swiftly. The most delicate aspect of the new-mind surgery involves connecting programmed thought-impulses with neurotransmitters and hormones. Throughout the day, you'll think thoughts that trigger a carefully groomed and modulated pleasure-quotient. The overall effect will stimulate you to conclude you are satisfied. A leak-proof algorithm will regulate the interplay of this satisfaction with the delight of being able to think faster. The consequent sum will define that elusive quality called happiness. Thought-forms called Border Collies will continuously roam the space of your mind and organize stray electrical effects, bringing them into symmetrical globular wholes. These wholes will automatically constitute your "aesthetic sense." At night, while you sleep, regions of mind unreachable by the surgery will naturally expend extraordinary energies of outrage, resentment, resistance, and pure hatred. This is quite normal. Scooper Drones will siphon off those energies and their attendant emotional wildfires into Sponge Wardens at seven key National Institutes of Health laboratories, where researchers will utilize them to build Strategic "Arab Spring" Platforms. NASA is preparing to launch the Platforms. They will circle the Earth and beam wide-spectrum rage at key sites where wars, revolutions, and inciting events are deemed necessary to update mega-corporate healing enterprises. Further specific information on these corporate operations is, at present, classified. But know you are contributing to a higher-order resolution of planetary conflict. It's estimated that, with your new mind in tow, you'll require full overhauls every three years. During these periods of hospitalization, you'll experience total shutdown. You families, friends, and co-workers will be notified in advance. As an historical note of interest, you recall, I'm sure, the so-called spying, the so-called Surveillance State, back in the old days. Yes? Most people didn't realize the program was the first attempt to create a single Universal Mind. It's about feedback: When people know their every action and thought is monitored and watched, they naturally decide to change their thoughts, trim them down, make them more simple and lucid...so there is no misunderstanding. You see? The Surveillance State was really the first crude new-mind surgery that we have today. But now we can guarantee the result. The science has advanced majestically. The surgery is extremely specific and comprehensive. Fifty years ago, people didn't understand why the NSA and other organizations were spying on everybody all the time. It wasn't merely to stop terrorist attacks. So why? Now it's all clear. It was step one in a lengthy process of coordinating and manufacturing all minds to move as One. Central Planning for Planet Earth must restructure brains so they perform, in various ways, to produce what we call The Whole X. What is The Whole X? It's the meshing of all human thought and function that will indeed produce the greatest good for the greatest number. Whole X is the plan from above. It calculates every move and every thought-pattern the billions of Earth inhabitants undertake, during every hour of every day. Whole X dispenses justice and goods and services and sustainability from Nome to Tierra Del Fuego. How can these four elements be parceled out unless, at the level of mind, the rational processes of every human are coordinated? Yes, we've come a long way from Spy Headquarters. That was then; this is now. We've walked the path from the Bill of Rights to the Bill of the Mind. Use your gifts wisely. To those who lament the loss of freedom, privacy, and imagination, consider that those qualities led us to the brink of extinction. We turned the corner and found enduring peace in our time. For more information, log on to The Church of Absolute Inescapable Unity. Jon Rappoport The author of two explosive collections, THE MATRIX REVEALED and EXIT FROM THE MATRIX, Jon was a candidate for a US Congressional seat in the 29th District of California. Nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, he has worked as an investigative reporter for 30 years, writing articles on politics, medicine, and health for CBS Healthwatch, LA Weekly, Spin Magazine, Stern, and other newspapers and magazines in the US and Europe. Jon has delivered lectures and seminars on global politics, health, logic, and creative power to audiences around the world. You can sign up for his free emails at www.nomorefakenews.com [] Have a nice day!

Yes, exactly. There are a couple of newer jam bands now that have taken their place--String Cheese Incident, Leftover Salmon, Zilla--I like them too! I remember those days very fondly, amazing atmosphere of "oneness" lol. It's just good now to understand how it all fits in to the programming--this guy compares it to the opium wars and the British involvment there. I'm sure "pushing" alcohol on the Native Americans would fit in here too. Colonialism at its finest

So welcomed, thank you! I can do long, as the last link demonstrates Will watch for sure. Reminds me of another I've recently come across if you are interested called Manufacturing Deadheads. Scary really, since I was an exuberant youthful participant in many of those concerts! "When you know better, you do better" ug, I hate to quote Oprah, but since Stefan regularly refers to Dr. Phil, well, what can I say?! ( In all honesty I almost went to a String Cheese concert in Austin this weekend, just for ole tme's sake) I don't have the answers, but the questions keep me goin' . . . thanks again love & cheers Mishelle

LOL, the right link did not appear, trying again; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lR7jqYx22g

Dear Kindred Spirits! I don't know if anyone is still following this thread but I just had to report back that so much has come to me since beginning this inquiry, and just in case there is anyone still interested, I have to share. It's ironic really, because it's taking me back to my university studies--so much I missed, just seeing it in my 20-something mentality--wanting to discount so many great thoughts because, well mainly honestly, their views on women. What I have been able to learn since then has been such a circle, or backtracking, with a new more open mind. I knew of course there was nothing so new in this idea of Oneness of the New Agers, but it was so hard to evaluate my discomfort and feeling it was disingenuous. My studies were in French Literature--Diderot, Rousseau, Voltaire, de Tocqueville--contrasting with my specialty of as a Masters students of diaspora and francophone lit--in other words as the Africans were taught in the State schools: "Nos ancentres, les Gaulois." Unified Consciousness, Organic Unity, The Great Chain of Being, well, in multiple lectures, including this fascinating one linked below, I've been able to fill the gaps and decipher my left from right brain-thinking, lol, but oh my what a thrill! To go back to these many texts again without the misunderstandings and judgements of youth and really understand, yes, even the New Age movement has come out of a system of top-down social programming. This is what I was most reacting to, in both a blind wishful thinking and a cognitive rejection. What a trip! Still grateful for all those who have joined me, and offered insights. Maybe you will be interested in this? oops, not the right one, but so fun I will leave it anyway! www.youtube.com/watch?v=41R7jqYx22g (History...The Trivium Method vs The Classical Trivium: A Briefing by Kevin Cole) Love & cheers Mishelle

Hi David, Sorry for my long delay and thank you for the link, I will definitely check it out asap. Hope you are very well! love & cheers Mishelle

LOL! This is cute,thanks so much for sharing! Will pass along to "my sisters" forsure I really want to betransparent in this conversation and so I just want to reiterate or maybe makeclear for the first time (?), I believe in the collective mind, or thecollective unconscious, and I believe we can access it through meditation andmaybe even dreams. I also believe I have accessed and actually influenced"the field" deliberately 3 times for sure in my life. Theseoccasions happened in very deep concentration with direct intention and theresult was almost immediate. Yes, when I think about these timesrationally, I discount them. I give loads of excuses which are common,including chance, and I've heard this from others also. I cannotreproduce them at whim, and so I have no empirical evidence that would impressanyone here. Still, these are powerful altered states, as powerful as anydrug I've ever tried, and so I keep exploring, happily -- also thesynchronicity I've experienced at times in my life where I've been focused onintention and alignment have been dumb-founding. I don't know what tomake of these events, or of the New Agers who believe in them as so common thata book like that cheesy Secret crap can sell many millions. But that'sthe mystery and wonder that continues to drive me to be open, despite the naivetéand arrogance i find so annoying in these groups. I'm still appreciatingso much the participation and direction in this conversation and felt like thelast caller who was speaking of Buddhism today was mirroring some of myissues--specifically, meditation as a kind of band-aid to authentic emotionalresponses of grief, irritation and anger. (She said the opposite, that is the goal of Enlightenment, the power of complete unattachment, ugh, please say it ain't so!!) These are not simple ideas explained away in a breath, imho they are the biggest conversations happening thoughout the ages and need be happening still. thanks for playing love & cheers Mishelle

Wonderful! I am touched by your sweet candor, and am so very pleased when we can all learn from each other--then I really do "get" this wisdom of Oneness! Thank you for your note and forthrightness, I've appreciated your insights and also learned from them in this conversation and look forward to more! love & cheers Mishelle

I was being facetious TheRobin, that's not always so easy to convey I guess in writing! I will try I different smiley next time: []

Gorgeously spoken on both sides, thank you, I've just been catching up my inbox and see STer has some of the same beefs I do and am still experiencing regularly in my community. From this place of naval-gazing these folks go out to change the world, without any real clue what's happening and what really needs changing. For example, Ken Wilbur endorsed Obama in the last election--how can I then be expected to take him seriously?! There is so much wishful thinking--one acquaintance in this group just recently deleted my "negative" links to several factual pieces on all Obama's promises and how none of them have manifested and yet, how is it folks are still buying it? So, this woman who now wants to get political from her privileged perch is using censorship to make sure the Kumbaya Club is not affected by too much reality! If I'm not cheerleading them in their mass delusions then I am considered the problem. So the issue is going from this place of so-called inner wisdom and then applying that to the world outside--and this goes back to Don Beck's Spiral Dynamics. This is Green thinking trying to solve all the world's problems from a place of complete seperation. They have no clue whatsoever about poverty, or tyranny, or war, but suddenly they are in a position to preach about Oneness. They call for no hierarchy and yet still see the world from the top of their holarchy! If we are really One, why are they only One with those who agree with them, why are they not helping those who really need help? oops, my anger and irritation are showing again, best go meditate [] love & cheers Mishelle

Hi David, Thanks for sharing this quote! So do you feel these folks in the New Age communities have accepted darkness? What I see is a perpetual turning away from darkness, as if it doesn't exist or they can simply choose to not pay attention to it. I've been trying to read Ken Wilbur's A Brief History of Everything, again, and have a very hard time getting through it. Some of it is just the format, this interview style he uses is very choppy and is constantly losing any natural narrative flow. Of course he talks quite a bit about Holons, which was interesting and something I obviously skipped right over the last time. But what most strikes me is the naivete and arrogance. These people who call themselves "Enlightened" and have careers teaching others' to become "Enlightened" are privileged Western whites trying to teach other privileged Western whites about the true nature of reality. I find this so arrogant as to be comical! Like last night I watched Openhand: 5 Gateways documentary. What I most want to say to these people is: "OK, you call yourself Enlightened, so go now to New Dehli and live and work among the street children who were sold by their parents into prostitution at age 8, and after 3 or 4 years, when you've made a significant enlightening impact on these kids, then come back and teach us spoiled folk something real about the nature of reality!" And so I realize it's not the Oneness concept I have a problem with actually, it's the New Agers who sit on their pretty embroidered cushions in the land of luxury and preach it! [:O] love & cheers Mishelle

Hi David, Yes this makes very much sense to me! And I did already assumed you meditated from your previous posts And you are also right about feeling that frustration in not being able to integrate these knowings and forcing myself in many ways to continually discount other ways of knowing. I think that's a natural progression, integration, but maybe I'm (and even the culture?) just aren't there yet. Maybe there is "a proper place" -- or maybe the evolutionary call is a better integration. In any case, I've really appreciated the discussion and having your "more esoteric" viewpoints present in the mix. I look forward to much more interaction in future on this knowledge quest!! love & cheers Mishelle

Hi STer, Thanks to you and all who have shared so thoughtfully on this thread! I have been able to get a lot more clarity around the topic, and have a better understanding now on how to move forward. For me I realize I need both communities right now, this one and the new age one, and they really balance each other out. I was trying to achieve some kind of integration and see now that actually it is quite unnecessary and maybe even destructive to try to get the new age group to think more rationally--that's simply not what they are there for and in fact exactly what they are reacting against--too much yang in our western culture, not enough yin! And having been deeply in that community for over 3 years, I was really feeling overwhelmed, to the point of drowning in yin I'm really glad to be here and expand again the left-brain from a new place thanks to that community. I don't have to move on or discard what's it's brought me at all, I simply need to make room for ever-greater learning, which is very exciting for me! Like they always repeat--it's not an either-or, it's an and-with! I appreciate you all very much and love how you so thoroughly think things through and value Objectivity and Truth so highly. I will find a balance that works for me and I'm so lucky to have an opportunity to do so! love & cheers Mishelle

Xelent, I take no disrespect at all, I've been touched by your sensitivity in this conversation. I actually did not like this video, at all, it reminds me of "my issues" with my new age community. This is such a huge part of what's trying to be expressed here--to what degree do we allow and expect our intellect to make sense of our feelings? Can we constantly rationally discount those feelings that make us act "as one" -- like true love, or as I mentioned before "being in the zone". I've had what we call "out of body experiences" quite a few times in my 43 years--I repeatedly return to "rationality" to explain them, which then discounts them. Yet, when I am honest with myself, when I don't try to explain it to anyone, when I just "BE"--I know what I felt, I know there was something happening there that still can't be explained by science. I hear these stories from others again from the left-brain, and I try to rationalize them, I again discount them as not real, until I go into meditation again and know they are just as real as this so-called reality we experience as life. There is more happening than we can see or express in language, is this "the oneness" -- that's what it feels like, and that's what the intellect is constantly attempting to explain away. love & cheers Mishelle

But that's just it--it's all "really really there" -- No metaphor here! When we get out of the left brain, we feel it, when we put language on it, we lose it again. []

Wow this is fantastic, thank you so much for sharing! It makes a lot of sense too considering we are trying to speak about right-brain oneness with left-brain language. this is why the oneness is so much easier to approach in meditation (or on drugs!). love it! This is an intellectual community, very left-brain, right?! As an interesting side-note left-handed has been discouraged throughout history, and was forceably altered in children in central and eastern Europe until very recently. Did the powers that shouldn't be want to discourage a feeling of oneness for some reason? How many of you meditate and so have any idea what I'm talking about? Are you left or right-handed? fun stuff love & cheers Mishelle btw, I'm left-handed.

Nice! That's a new one for me too, looked it up, along with Holon and now it seems we are getting somewhere essential! I need to read much more of course, but what immediately popped into my mind was the fibonacci spiral. This may sound like a leap, but couldn't the "we are all one" fit in here? Say there's a higher intelligence looking into our galaxy--our cosmos, including all the people in it, through that lens we would all be moving, be essentially living, as one, right? If I am understanding these concepts a bit, what is happening "energetically" in the smallest particles is replicated "infinitely" into the biggest picture--if it's true of a shell, and plantlife, and of a galaxy, wouldn't it be true of us somehow too?! The "Oneness" need mean nothing more than functioning in the quantum field as one, which certainly leaves plenty of room for individuation or seperation at the same time. When we describe ourselves as "being in the zone" whether alone in a creative endeavor or in team sports, is this not what is being expressed--we are in oneness with the field, and/or with each other. When you watch a flock of ducks or geese, or even two dogs playing, is this not how they move on a smaller scale--they really are one, they aren't talking about how and where their next move will be--they are one with each other and with the field beyond any need to communicate at all "out loud." Maybe I'm grasping at straws here, but I am thrilled to learn these new terms and hear all these thoughts, so thank you! On a practical level it means to me I don't have to overly-identify with someone's weakness or with their violence, it's not about claiming "oneness" with another individual or group at all. love & cheers Mishelle

Wow, In the belly of the beast, Fantastic! I never would have considered this community as a cult, but then again, I know absolutely nothing about cults. I will look into this more! Interestingly, this e-mail recently showed up in my inbox talking about cults, I know it's long and maybe too boring for you to read, but just in case, here it is. If you felt called to reply again, just so you know, I'm really listening and appreciating your insights! love & cheer Mishelle Dear Mishelle, Are you in a cult? Here's the short answer: "You bet." And, worse, it's most likely an invisible cult! Okay, you're probably not a member of "a new religious movement or other group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre by the larger society". But you're almost certainly a member in good standing of the Public Cult of the World, whose beliefs and practices are bizarre and abnormal by any objective healthy standard. After all, as the Dalai Lama has pointed out, in the Cult of the World you: "...sacrifice your health in order to make money. Then you sacrifice money to recuperate your health. Then you are so anxious about the future that you don't enjoy the present: the result being that you do not live in the present or the future; you live as if you are never going to die, and then you die having never really lived." It's a totally crazy way to live, when you look directly at it! But among us members of the ubiquitous and invisible Cult, it seems the natural order of things, unremarkable and inevitable. The Cult reinforces and conceals a great many other unwritten rules, invisible beliefs and unexamined assumptions too. (One example: the Cult inculcates you day and night with the message that you're a separate individual who must compete to "succeed" and build up a big, impressive ego-domain, or otherwise you're a "failure".) Some of the Cult's beliefs may be crazy (and make you miserable) but as soon as you start questioning them, you're the one who's risking madness. After all, you'd be departing from the Public Cult of the World's "consensus reality" (which is what defines insanity). One of the strictest rules of the Cult is the taboo against acknowledging that the Cult even exists. Thus, every day while you're working hard and focusing intelligently on your priorities, you're also being lulled back into being oblivious to the Cult and its bondage. You're being drawn into what consciousness researcher Charles Tart memorably dubbed "the Consensus Trance". He described it as "a state of partly suspended animation, of stupor, of inability to function at [y]our maximum level... [dominated by] automatic and conditioned patterns of perception, thinking, feeling and behaving..." Is there any escape from the Cult? Sure, but here's the paradox: to leave the Cult you'll have to risk being seen as...joining a cult! The official Public Cult of the World won't provide any support if you want to wake up from the consensus trance. And if you find someone who has in some sense awakened and who offers to help you wake up, or if you band together with others for mutual support in waking up from the trance so you can leave the Cult....now that's when your family might start to ask "Hey, have you joined a cult"? Maddeningly, your family (and critics) will probably be right! Most small groups, however healthy and intelligent their premises might be, readily develop "groupthink" dynamics that can easily become unhealthy, and even dangerously "cultic". And yet without support and teaching, you're just going to be sucked back into the consensus trance and the mediocrity of the Public Cult of the World. What to do? Well, you can recognize that the consensus trance and the "programming" of the Cult is everywhere and that going in and out of trance is a constant, on-going process. As you do, it will become obvious that waking up from the trance needs to happen again and again, in many little moments of choice. This is what I mean by "practice" --- that choice to live deliberately, to embrace a way of life that's fully alive, always evolving, spontaneously in-the-moment, self-aware, humorous and free. (This is the core of the "Integral Spiritual Practice" I teach.) From this perspective, yes, you're in the big Cult, the one that keeps re-hypnotizing you back into the consensus trance. The point is this: you can "leave the cult" now --- in this very moment. May you do so, and may you keep leaving it, by waking up! Again and again and again --- every day, for the rest of your life. To your practice and awakening and freedom, Terry P.S. If you'd like to comment on this blog you can do so here.

TheRobin, you have hit the nail on the head with "it's equally unhealthy to simply pretend they are and treat them as if they're good anyway." This is what they truly believe will happen, ignore the dragons in the room and they will disappear. I "feel"this as unhealthy and toxic, them as Pollyannish for thinking so naively, and they see me as toxically destroying the vision they are trying to stand in! And so we go round and round, with them trying to stand in LA-LA land, and me preparing for disaster. hmmmm, good thing to think more on this week, thanks! love & cheers Mishelle

Xelent, I haven't read it and will definitely do so now, thank you! I've been listening to his reading of Lloyd Demause's The Origins of War in Child Abuse--very powerful--learning a lot. Absolutely amazed by the connections that are revealed when we stop looking at things through this "whitewashed" lens we've been fed. I think for those of us who are older, more indoctrinated, it becomes that much more difficult, or enlightening, as the case may be, to strip away all the false teachings. really appreciate your input! love & cheers Mishelle

Dear David, Thank you, very thought-provoking. I absolutely resonate with the ego-resistance and that takes a tremendous amount of clarity, and in fact purity, to see past. It reminds me of an exercise we did together with this community I've been speaking about where we did a long meditation and then moved around the room in that state of mind and interacted with each other. It was one of the most profound experiences of my life! I could only describe it as being on ecstasy, only we were drug-free of course. To engage with others at that level was, dare I say, magical And still, the struggle remains, and I do believe goes beyond just an ego struggle into an ethical one--identifying with the weakest leak, or the most violent one--can that be right? We were a harmless group of women in a completely safe environment based on shared agreements, how to translate that into the real world?! I really appreciate your time and thoughts, I remain in uncomfortable inquiry for as long as it takes. love & cheers Mishelle

Hi Xelent, It's very thoughtful of you to understand my sensitivity about breaking with this group which I do still share deep bonds with! I really do want a better understanding of "we are all one" precisely because of this bond with them, which is the first time I've ever been "a follower" of anyone or anything -- typically I'm not a joiner at all and I'm quite used to isolation. I want to keep my mind open, to hear other's thoughts, especially those who have a complete opposite worldview, and to learn how, if at all, these worldviews connect. The New Age stuff is increasingly popular and influential, there is big money and power in these communities right now, and not just in California and Colorado--it's spreading fast around the globe. I don't want to close my mind ever, to any worldviews, and at this point it's far too early for me to make assumptions about where and how this community is wrong, without exploring "my issues" around it. That said, it does feel toxic sometimes! And other times it feels very healthy and inclusive and this is where it departs from religion. Maybe this is the way we are supposed to treat each other if we are to evolve socially, politically, culturally--ALL?! I do not know, and my challenge is to remain uncomfortably in the not-knowing until I am certain. thanks again for your reply love & cheers Mishelle