acabobie
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Is someone who has done an evil, an evil person forever, no matter what?
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First of all, apologies for not posting in the past week, I had exams and much homework. The lack of consent thing is a good question, it is perhaps a vestige of non-philosophical thought. No one in particular within a Walmart store owns the product, the entity known as the corporation does, this depersonalizes the incident and makes it somehow less unacceptable to me. I don't have a personal need for theft to be justifiable, I have not stolen. I know from listening to Stefan Molyneux, that he has stolen in the past because he was hungry. If what you are saying is true about different evil things being equally evil, at the point Stefan took something, he was equally evil as a mass murderer. Because you are here on the boards, and I assume that you are a listener to the show, that you think that Stefan is of upstanding moral character. Is there a balance of good and evil? Stefan has done evil in the past according to UPB and now he is not considered an evil person, is there redemption? To take an extreme hypothetical- if person A steals 5 candy bars on 5 occasions, and gives to charity 25 times, or if person B commits 5 murders and somehow gets away with it and goes on to be a lifeguard that rescues 25 people from drowning throughout his career? Does A=B in terms of morality, and would the person be moral, immoral, or amoral? If everything is equally immoral, 5 murders=5 candy bars stolen? "So if your roommate or his friend or a family member or whomever used your home to say rape you, you would just say, "Gee, I wish I didn't have two years left on my contract?"" This topic is my slight discomfort with theft, not my slight discomfort with having a dick up my ass. Whoever is giving me negative ratings, can you please say that you have and why. I would appreciate the feedback, whether it is that I am not being respectful enough, or you disagree with what I say, or whatever.
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My roommate and the person who was caught and charged are two different people. Well that is you, and with my life I have a two year contract to live in the dorms, that if I would break would cost, and there is no one in my life that I intimately in relationship with, and thus there is no one I trust to any high degree. The people I do trust more than others, either go to a different college or are quite a bit older than myself. Any abstract concept is made up. And just because something is made up, doesn't mean it should be so easily dismissed. Math was made up, but the ideas are true and testable. So in your view: Murder=Rape=Theft=Evil. They are all evil and none of them is a higher tier of evil? They are equally immoral?
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In the legal system, there are gradations of punishments for various crimes. A petty theft of say, a five dollar sandwich is treated as a misdemeanor, whereas a theft of a twenty thousand dollar car is treated as a felony. So there is an idea in society, and myself that some things are worse than others. Another example; A murder with prior premeditated intent to kill is viewed worse than say an accident. Why the roommate I have: We were assigned together by the university, I like to play video games with him, he shares, we get along well, and it is a good experience with him overall. I have been stolen from before. My bike last year was stolen, and walking by the bike rack from where it was stolen everyday after work brought sorrow, and tears almost began to roll down my cheeks a couple different times. Thankfully I was able to locate and recover my bike. Perhaps... I wear clothes in public, so I have a standard of modesty. I get homework finished on time so I have a standard of that, whatever that standard is called. Other standards as well. However, I do not think you are talking about standards in that way. I think the standard you speak of are ones of how I choose who to be in my social circles? I would not hang out with people known to rape or murder. I did however have a Ukrainian coworker over the summer that expressed the want to murder Russians, blacks, and Jews.. He was very nationalistic and racist. It did concern and disturb me, but I did not leave the job.
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My roommate told me about this.. Last night someone who I consider to be an acquaintance and possible friend broke the law. He was with a group of other teenagers looking for booze and they ended up at a store and many stole liqueur. The police came and arrested many people, including him on the suspicion of stealing alcohol. It turned out that he only stole a sandwich, so he spent three hours in jail and was released and has a future court date. This wasn't the first time that he has committed theft. My roommate who is his friend told me of his other exploits. Amongst them was wearing baggy pants into Walmart and waiting for the "coast to be clear" to cross into the Walmart bathroom with alcohol and then tape the booze to the inside of the pant leggings and walk out of the store undetected. Deposit the loot into their vehicle and then go and go back and do that as many times as desired. I asked my roommate his age; 18, and if he would buy the alcohol rather than resorting to theft if he could legally. My roommate said that he would, and that gave me a sense of okayness about the ordeal. (Drugs shouldn't be illegal anyways, this kind of thought.) The sandwich is a different story, it is not illegal to buy sandwiches at any age and he also had enough money on him to make a purchase. My roommate is also a thief, he steals traffic cones and then takes the remaining ones and spaces them evenly. He currently has two cones in our room that he is using as decoration, and I admit it looks rad. I find that these do not bother me as much as it maybe should. Same with kleptocracy, our government farmers taking the fruits of our labors. That does not bother me as much as my government murdering people overseas, especially the signature drone strikes in Pakistan, resulting in the deaths of children who have nothing to do with terrorism. I think that my tolerance for theft is one of the reasons I am not fully on board with anarchy. I have some questions that I wish for people commenting bellow to answer: 1. Is theft a lesser of the three evils? (murder, rape, and theft) 2. What are some arguments other than UPB that find theft disagreeable? 3. Can a thief make a good friend, would you be friends with someone who you know steals?
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^ What you said! I really need examples here. Preferably ones that are easy to understand, and apply to the real physical universe not just in idea. If one cannot be thought of with "Moving from order to disorder, entropy can be considered a form of destruction." Please then use simple analogies.
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I actually have a video of myself up on youtube from awhile ago for a highschool project. If you are interested in that, I can pm you the link.
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"Are Zombies Real? Has The Apocalypse Already Occured?" video, Stefan Molyneux expressed similar ideas to yours, so there is an idea how it came about rather than just dawning on you. haha I had a similar idea to make videos of just me talking with whatever is on my mind to the camera, and it felt too awkward and I would stumble quite a bit because a part of me was saying how idiotic it is to talk to an inanimate object. With a script/notes I wouldn't stumble as much but would have my eyes drawn to them.. which also doesn't make a good video. I am curious, can you tell me how you feel when creating these videos?
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Other than my chemistry course in college I am at a loss and know little of this, do you care to expand on your thought there? Anyways I looked up the definition and the 5th definition on the website I like for the purposes of this thread. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/entropy En-tro-py... "5. Inevitable and steady deterioration of a system or society." In some other words that come to mind, "what goes up must come down" and "nothing lasts forever". I think we found a good model for counterexamples to my idea. It is a destruction that is not sudden, that decays/deteriorates until it is no longer recognizable as that something. Examples would be the many empires in the world.. It also brings an interesting question to mind, if anarchy becomes accepted globally will it too give way to this kind of entropy?
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HOLD IT! Only abstract. The idea destruction has no matter or energy itself. It has no existence physically. P.S. By the way nice Phoenix Wright pic!
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That could work. Two individuals mingle and create another individual, and then that individual undergoes the process of aging. 9 months to be born after being a zygote and to conceive over 50% after 3 months. So the creation process is lets say, a year.On average (and I would still believe this would be the case including stillborn and aborted) humans live longer than a year. I was thinking more along the lines of intended creation and destruction like example 1, and 3.. Example 2, well people talk and gossip, it is not necessarily occurring to the intent of destroying a reputation or perception and also that reputation is not something physical, it is abstract and subjective to different sects of the community. A baby could also be destroyed within seconds of a murderous thought.. I feel dubious about this topic question now. I could say that there is a diamond sword that is made in a couple hours and then someone for some reason explodes a fusion bomb directly on top of it in 30 minutes of the decision, and I would be like hmmm... wonder if the diamond sword still recognizable as a diamond sword?
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I wonder if decaying fits into damaging as in how destruction is defined here. Decaying isotopes would still be the same element as the number of protons does not change, the neutrons do. So the heavy element that you speak of is not destroyed, just changed isotope over time.
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Hello from imaginary confinement called Poland
acabobie replied to markovcd's topic in Introduce Yourself!
Welcome! I like the title of this! I hope you are able to have deep and interesting conversation. To find success here in connecting where only in your romantic life that has been a good success. -
I have an idea: It takes more time and work to create than it does to destroy something. Examples: 1. A kid spends an hour building a sand castle, another kid jealous of the construct comes over and stomps on it, destroying it within seconds. 2. It takes a long time to build a good reputation, it can be destroyed(or greatly tarnished) in a couple days if a secret/scandal gets loose. 3. In 3 months a house is built in Pakistan, a button is pressed sending down a missile from a drone destroying it in a minute. etc.. Definitions: Creation: The action or process of bringing something into existence. Destruction: The action or process of causing so much damage to something that it no longer exists or cannot be repaired. I feel like there may be exceptions, but I can not think of any. Please provide counter examples!
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I propose a new game. Post premises followed by a logical conclusion based on those premises. Example: 1. All mammals are animals 2. Humans are mammals Therefore all humans are animals or a logical conclusion that is faulty and fun. Example: 1. Life is valued by people 2. To live calories are one thing people need 3. Candy is dense with calories Therefore people that wish to live should eat a lot of candy.
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(-> Denotes influence) Premise: Environment -> Internal State -> External Action. Therefore external action is influenced by the environment one is in. Influenced is a key word as it does not guarantee 100% of a certain internal state or external action as people come from diverse environments (backgrounds, experiences, in which they have developed prior beliefs). We do not live in closed environment with no variation. There are many things and it is dynamic world.
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Yes this is the way I look at it. I can choose (behavior) to tell people my favorite color is blazing orange but that does not mean that my internal state or belief is what I say it is.
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If the definition becomes one pertaining strictly to the physical then beliefs and preferences are not choice because beliefs and preferences do not exist in the physical world themselves, they are abstract. Intangible ideas arising from the process of neurological connections in our brains firing in certain patterns. Am I correct?
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I think there are misunderstandings between us and what we are saying in this particular hypothetical. I will try to clear things up once more and if that doesn't work we should move on to other things. Nothing was said about sex. Consider however that one of those gay friends gets drunk around you and in his stupor his inhibitions are down and he asks the straight man if he wants his dick sucked. If a straight man consents to a homosexual act does that mean automatically that he is at least then bisexual?
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I said nothing of magic. Magic doesn't exist, I was even a witch once and nothing astounding happened. Straight person gets repeated exposure to gay lifestyle (His new environment he puts himself in) and then after awhile of that life experience the person might become something other than just straight. Bisexual lets say. OR maybe the confusion arises because you do not believe that sexuality is something that is chosen?? Finally someone understands where I am coming from with this! I have been talking with some family members about this and they all believe that it is a choice. In my mind if we could choose all of our beliefs at a whim and moments notice we could always be extremely happy. Maybe you don't like oatmeal right now.. But will it enough and then voila, there is nothing in the world that is better than the oatmeal that you are having right now. Same with school, work, chores, etc.. However I find that is not the case. Beliefs and preferences take time and experience to form and cannot be forced or willed upon yourself in a small amount of time.
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Now with this new definition that I will accept for now I will invent a hypothetical to put it to the test. Lets say that I put myself (or any other straight man does really) into an environment of gay bars. Here I meet gay folk who I talk to and make friends with. Now when I do something recreational, I am exposing myself to homosexuality more and more as I hang out with my new friends. Is it possible for a straight man to turn gay? How long would you speculate? I am putting myself(consciously) into a "gay" environment, so after Y amount of time would I start to become sexually attracted to males?
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My definitions to choose= to make a decision. choice= a decision that can be consciously willed for. Example. I do not choose for my heart to beat, that is not a choice, but a biological imperative. Heartbeats are not something that I can will to stop beating just by will alone. I can choose to do other actions that will produce that effect. The heart example with your definition may also work in some form or another. As in the biology of species came from previous choice (selective breeding) I would argue that also natural pressures influenced as in it is hard to be a living large Eukaryota without a heart. With my definition I really doubt there was or is any sentient being(s) that will there to be natural pressures. Could you give an example of what you believe to be choice, and what you believe is not a choice by use of your own definitions?
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This topic has been around for awhile with no large discussion occurring so I will go ahead and place my views. Belief: Something an individual holds to be correct or true. For example: I believe that the world will eventually have a total human population exceeding 8 billion in the future. My particular definition is broad and can pertain to many things. The beliefs may or may not have observable evidence to support the belief. Examples: The belief that the Earth was flat came from limited knowledge, whereas the belief in a rounded Earth came from empiricism (ships gradually dissapearing from sight while sailing on the sea horizon, able to travel in the same direction and manage to sail back to where you started, satellite photography, etc... I feel like I may be too broad in my definition as when talking about something that has a lot to support it, as in a scientific theory, saying I believe in it makes it sound weak, or that I have doubts about it. At the same time I don't want to rule any conversation with an "iron fist" by laying things out what I believe as fact because I know that I know very little. So this is why I have a definition for this word that could apply to many things. It is a way of being humble and open minded to possibilities. I would be interested in hearing suggestions for improving the definition. On the subject of determinism vs free will- I do not believe in determinism. I pull up my earlier statement "I wish to keep this short as I believe that my beliefs may influence other's responses to this topic." lf I believed in determinism I do not see how I could also believe that I could influence anything because with determinism everything is already "set in stone, set in motion" and there would be no such thing as influence, just the illusion of it as we clack clack clack down the predetermined railroad track of the universe. I do not wish to discus this any further because Stefan does not think discussions on this topic is productive, and I agree. If determinism is true, what we do has no meaning or influence.. it was just all the way it was meant to be. Onto what I believe about my question: "Is what a sentient being(human) believes in a choice?" I believe that belief is not a choice (oh how so meta ). I believe that we are influenced by what is around us, our biological programming, and the decisions we make in life that determine what we believe in. Here is a claim; I believe that there is no god, however I did not choose to believe that there was no God.... It was just something that happened as I became exposed to more atheist arguments. I asked myself the question, "Is there a God?" and I responded mentally, "No, there is not." From that point in my life I was no longer a Catholic. If I happened to ask myself the same question just a year earlier without the the experience I had of that year my answer to the same question would have been a resounding. "YES!!" I also do not think that preferences are a choice. I like the color emerald, it is my favorite and I am glad that it is. There are a lot of green things in the world so I am glad I enjoy it. I like only females sexually.. If I were to chose my sexuality I would like to be bisexual or pansexual. Reasoning there is that I would find more aesthetic and erotic beauty in the world of people and it would greatly open up the dating possibilities. Alas I am straight my bros!
