Holo Cene

The dream to me sounds like you have a lot of inner emotional issues, relating to self-attack. You don't even know you are doing this self attacking, which is why your unconscious is so graphic. It is trying to show you the level of your own inner dialogue which you aren't even registering. Your unconscious knows that this is a severe issue that is preventing everything else from growing. I find it interesting that they were making out, what is your sexual orientation if that's not too forward?

Freedom does not equal simple, it equals efficient. Not paying taxes lands you in jail. Primitivism is you going out and living that life. You are breaking all of your own moral codes sitting in front of that computer, in that heated house with your supermarket bought food. You are actually the hypocrite and the worst kind at that.

That really isn't true at all. It is completely up to you. As long as you do or say something with the right attitude and mindset, what you say is irrelevant. Where exactly are you hoping to just run into these intelligent girls? You have to go out there and find them. You start by talking to women you find appealing and then discovering if they have what you are looking for be it intellectualism, silly humor, bright happy personality etc etc. There is so much put into how PUA is one thing or another. At the end of the day it is just men approaching women and having conversations. Where the interactions go is between the two people involved. If you despise shallowness in women then when you detect it you eject.

Essentially you are a psychopath. I do not accept that billions will die. If given free reign, man will find a way.

I definitely appreciate those sentiments since i share them myself. The thing is PUA is evolving. Its not funny hats or backhanded compliments anymore. That was a man trying to sell a specific system, that was selling "tactics" to get at peoples money. He was trying to monetize it the most efficiently by making it hard to break from those routines. The PUA movement has in large part shifted to a more group therapy, principle based approach. They change attitudes and learning patterns by chnaging core beliefs and challenging outdated perspecitives on women. The systematized PUA is pretty much dead. While I do agree that the political/cultural change is at the center, we can be pro active about this. PUA is just a bunch of men who approach women. That is all. They learn how to attract, and date women.

So how do you justify the billions that will die in the grinding progress to primitivism?

So you are advocating genocide.

I'm just talking about solutions and possibilities. You have these disjointed arguments where you hem and haw, I never stated you weren't allowed a choice. You seem to not have a coherent argument here which most likely means you are emotionally disturbed by the topic. Who is fighting to liberate women from the would be harem masters. Women choose the best options for their situations, just like men. The world we live in is here, we can take our ball and go home or we can do the best with what we have.

That's pretty gnarly. I couldn't read past all the justifications, because it was covered in a layer of slimy self pity.

PUA is not the trigger for harem based mating structures. It is adding men to the mating game that would otherwise have no idea how to interact with women. If you add more men who can attract women then that lessens the impact of hypergamy and harem based mating. It's just math. If there are 300 alphas in a city of 10000 men, then you add another 200 through PUA then essentially you have lessened the impact of a harem based strategy. PUA is nothing more than adjusting men to the new sexual dynamics of our modern era. If the dating world dictates that you have to approach women, and impress women then that is what you do if you choose to want women in your life. When there were more social arenas, the men wouldn't have to resort to these things because they could display their qualities and value through shared activity, and thus trigger attraction and mate.

Male identity without the female? What does that even mean? You say that MGTOW will heal the rift between the sexes. That makes no logical sense. MGTOW is men not interacting with women, thus not bridging any gaps. Its just a childish ploy to get attention and to passively use a boycotting technique to create desperation in women. The problem is that this spirals into more hypergamy, not less. The scarcity of good men becomes a trigger for an animalistic, harem based mating structure as all these women compete for the few remaining alphas, because they desperately want stronger genes to combat the hostility of the environment.

Those people will die anyways, so we should be okay with them dying by "natural" means? By that logic you should be advocating a free market which puts the innovation and creativity of the best of us, at work on the fundamental problems of our world. Capitalism and free markets specifically reward people who expend great effort and work into the hardest problems of mankind, and they reap the gratitude of millions for their efforts if successful via voluntary exchange. Without these rewards of moral, mental, physical and emotional recompense who will do the work, who will care enough? Most certainly not you who cry for the eradication of billions, to give mother earth back her property rights.

You do realize without agriculture, human life would have to shrink by 90%. How many generations to whittle it down to 150 million people. What will that look like?

If a shift to primitivism kills off 90% of earths population, would you still be for it?

If he doesn't speak about his political views then does it even matter that he is an anarchist in a public capacity?

Stef give alternative medicine a bad rap, but there's a lot of stuff out there that can improve your health dramatically. Oil pulling, Iodine, Colloidal Silver just the tip of the iceberg. A lot of these things are villified because they can't be patented and they can't be controlled.

I was writing some stuff down about fulfilling relationships but it was turning into a muddled paragraph and just cut it to make a stronger point, but ultimately a strategy for a fulfilling relationship has a lot more involved than just meeting women and attracting them. That journey is much more personal as each person must find the value in the decisions they make. For instance, lets say I develop a PUA skill set and I can go out and get laid every night of the week if I choose. This decision to keep going out and having sex with a different girl every night is going to be moderated by so many factors, mostly which leads back to childhood, as Stef always points out. Objectification, disposability lack of intimacy, societal rewards, etc etc.. Its a mess of different competing impulses/desires which leads to a choice for hedonism. This is the infancy of the man's journey into healing. He fills that feminine energy in his life with random women and avoids the inner issues which probably has a lot to do with a cold and selfish mother. This is of course all broad strokes, but in essence a man who does not know how to talk to women, is a man perpetually stuck in childhood. The first step is to have the courage to, at the very least begin the journey towards female interaction, which is ultimately interaction with the self. The maturity process cannot begin without this. It is a stepping stone, what a man decides to do with it is of course his decision. He cannot be happy with hedonism though, that is a fools path simply because he addresses nothing within himself. He applies pleasure to balm over his scarred childhood. This isn't even mentioning the mountain of female problems, but others have already delved into this. Basically this paragraph turns into a mish mash of ideas which are here and there and I now see the value in distilling and honing them for other peoples perusal in the future, so thank you. Thanks, I thought it was a beautiful idea too. Well there's bad marriages, there are women who are vampires, women who cheat, cuckoldry, false rape allegations, child support, alimony, hypergamy, dissatisfaction of women. I mean I don't think these are necessarily intentional, but a man must learn self-respect at the minimum to avoid bad behavior or disastrous character assessments. A man with no ability with women in his life, will fall into a honeypot of female horror, if a predator takes his naivete and pedestal to stomp on his nuts. I think the female side of this equation is troublesome. There is no balancing mechanism at this point to their positions of power in the mating arena. MGTOW is a boycott to try and get women to see the consequences of their indoctrination and to try and shift the balance of power. In Japan though women have just adjusted and they themselves have adopted a sex aversion. PUA I think is a healthy start since it addresses the women's needs and desires, but how does a woman satisfy an indomitable craving for security, cause by childhood traumas, abuses and deprivations? She must recognize that it is a problem and MSM and society works hard to prevent that, lest she stop shopping. It is a pickle. If the mating game dictates that men must do the approaching then the course of male behavior must change. If females have a lack of understanding, they must be exposed to men who have achieved understanding. You are the solution. We used to have strongly knit social circles, made up of neighbors and ethnic communities. All of that has been obliterated. Unless you want to go to church. Approach, approach, approach.

They do entire shows for the military. Fight for the troops. I think you are right but why would he even risk it?

The base sexual instinct of women is something a lot of men don't even take into account, let alone tap into.

The UFC. I'm not saying it is a government organization, just that it has ties to government at every level. One of it's major sponsors is the US military.

The PUA movement has so many detractors, but you have to remember it is in it's infancy. The whole PUA movement was and is a direct result of the paradigm shift in the relationships between men and women. The first answer might have been to redistribute the disposability back to the females and then use tactics and tricks to mimic alpha behaviors and qualities to achieve sex. The movement has evolved so much beyond that, but people's stereotypes and prejudices remain. If anything PUA is the beginning of the solution. It is an adaptation for men to re engage with the female world head on, with courage, aplomb and love. How we as men will come to a solution will either heal and repair the wound, or let it fester and infect. It is paramount that men of integrity join the cause of healing the rifts. Of course there are dangers and pitfalls in all of this, but that is why PUA is so beautiful. It is men sharing information with each other and evolving the collective consciousness of men in our current poisoned milieu, and developing strategies in order to avoid the crocodile traps and black holes of the dating world. MGTOW is completely obliterating holes in society in places like Japan and while I understand the sentiment of anger that precedes and causes the proud schadenfreude of the plight of the feminist it is ultimately just as damaging. Without men, women will turn to the state every time.

You have to remember he makes a living off of a statist institution. There is no polite way he can just come out and start revealing that he is an anarchist. That would be career suicide. I do respect him though, he is doing so much with what he has been givien. I recently was very moved by his podcast with Phil Demers. Absolutely heartbreaking accounts of animal torture. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV9Eb0WdW5Q

I am just going to try and delineate the battle lines here. On one hand you have the hypergamy generated by feminism and modern cultual influence. On the other hand you have a more realistic, virtuous model of intersex relations. You are not going to change the current climate of female hypergamy. If you have a plan, then I applaud you and wish you well. If we must function in this current paradigm, then we must contend with female preference, which is in accordance with the NAP since women have a monopoly on choice in sexual partners as a result of their inherent power, caused by biological factors which includes the task of carrying a child to term and not limited by their investment in their children. Sperm costs nothing compared to the burden of the egg.

PUA culture is just a solution to a problem. The problem being men cannot deal with the current dating scene. You seem to have an issue with the fact that women are the choosers in the sexual marketplace. That women are the ones who decide who to fuck and who not to fuck. If women are voluntarily choosing men based on specific criteria who are you to criticize? They are doing so voluntarily of their own free will.

MGTOW isn't a genetic phenomenon. I'm talking about your personal genetic legacy that will be wiped via not inserting your genetic material into an egg and creating a new human being. It's biology.