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I've been considering getting an audible account myself and I plan on starting with philosophy stuff. I usually like to underline and make a lot of notes as I read, but i'm so used to listening to philosophy, I think I could pick up the fundamental stuff in audio. I'd be interested in this list.

Dan Carlin's hardcore history podcast series the ghosts of the ostfront talks about this extensively.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1193270-everybodys-guilty-cartoonist-jonah-kinigstein-condemns-the-art-world/

Since this one has been up for a few days now I might as well share this here too, I've shared it on a different thread before but it may have killed it. Maybe it will add a little perspective. http://youtu.be/fcOZoR25Rhk Basically, I believe that there is an inherent conflict with the nature of art because art has to have acknowledgement to be considered art (on the tinyest scale a single person 'appreciating' it, giving it value/worth). and the nature of art is one of a constant changing of societal values. Values, the things you value, say a thumb tack is valued for holding up a note, is valued only as much as there are walls and notes to hang. (Because art is basically everything ever created by man, see video) Values can only be determined by priority, how much is this worth at this point in time in comparison to everything else, and things change in life. The cycle of empire, alien influence whatever changes the whole scale by which things are valued. Artists through creating things give or show these values and these comparisons that provide possible reason for societal change. Holding up a mirror to culture. So art has within it this conflict between what was/is valued and what is being neglected, what's about to change. Art is change or at least documents it in 'art movements'. So there is always a conflict between real art and art that is bolstered and reinforced and artificially inflated in value by those who are in power or have wealth. Culture distorts and destroys value systems through force. Art creates value systems through human effort.

there is no force involved in a contract since it is not a lop sided imposition on someone but an equal standing agreement. You are defining a contract as theft. You are saying if someone steals from you or violates your contract than it wasn't them that created the violation but that the contract created it.

I didn't miss the point you missed it. The whole point of a contract is to protect the interests of BOTH sides-equal standing. That's what a 'deal' is. It has to 'benifit' both sides or it is not a 'deal' or 'agreeable' for both sides. Don't sign or 'authorize' your own abuse. The whole point of a contract is to protect a person from being taken advantage of. You take my widgets and don't give me my whatsits you must compensate me. A contract REINFORCES the golden principle. A contract is about maintaining equal standing, equality. It prevents exploitation and reinforces benevolance. It safeguards you from being taken advantage of that's the whole point of a contract! Equality. WIthout a contract it is difficult to make your case no matter who you'd make it to. Government or community.

there are laws you do NOT consider opinions with a gun> now, cross out every ANTI- followed by a NOT because they are mutually exclusive and what do you get? opinions with guns.

a contract simply establishes what is considered equal. It backs up the golden rule. It doesn't create enforcement issues. Force only comes when inequality occurs, contract or no contract.

Grew up in tae kwon do and recited: self control, courtesy, integrity, perserverance, indominable spirit after each class.

I'd second that. The cultural revolution is a very interesting topic.

I'm just enjoying this thread. Xenogears was cool and i still think about it time to time. FF7,8,10 haven't played 4. Deus X machina, Bioshock. I liked Remember Me too. I don't know about being deep, but i liked xenosaga and Lost Odyssey for the art direction. Takehiko Inoue had a part in the latter. He's a noted comic artist. Perhaps people who like this sort of forum like similar games.

i typed out this one from the youtube the secret of the world victims can be victimizers “I couldn't do what I do if I was afraid of offending people or upsetting people. I mean that's why philosophy tends to stagnate the most of any science because philosophy tends to upset and offends the most people, but I could really give a rat's ass about the people who are upset and offended by what I argue. They don't even show up on my radar. All I care about is, am I illuminating a path to less violence? Particularly towards children.” Stefan Molyneux ...blessed is he who in the name of charity and good will sheperds the weak through the valley of darkness for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. . .Samuel L. Jackson

I don't know how interested you might be to hear me blather on about art and some of the matters that concern art, but i think this covers a lot of the issues you're talking about. http://youtu.be/fcOZoR25Rhk

There they go off wandering in their depression. Blinded by the sun of their boiling frog oppression. Perpetuated perfection divined and decadence reigning. Submerged and suicidal and angrily awaking. Work horses suffering their rearing never breaking. Men of sorrow constance stoically faking. Children raised in blinders stunted never escaping. Upon a path to glorious righteousness taking. Law dog hell hound statist lust for war making. Chosen few winning team flags are a waving. Sinful cities squares of multiple colors each of them building walls closing their shutters. Still marching silent with our nose to the grindstone. Grateful for bloody peanuts still leaving the boss alone. Never thought to yourselves that the problem ain't me. Didn't even consider your pain was the powers that be. Sleeping men never even offer surrender Apologies sir, only a dreaming contender.

(i don't know, maybe this thread should be moved. The original post i thought was of a general arnachist attitude, but now perhaps it is best placed elsewhere?) Let's Elect Our God. Idol worship democratically into a united state of mind. We'll choose one that we can look at, someone suitable. We'll choose one that speaks ordinarily. One whom we're willing to listen. We'll choose the one that tells us what we wish. Someone to satisfy our souls to question endlessly. We'll choose a fellow friendly sinner. Someone who can achieve anything, so that our imaginations can run free. We'll choose one that presides above good and evil. One that doesn't tolerate or forgive dissent. We'll create our god draconian held on high from the very lowest of the low. We'll choose one that cannot be denied. One that doesn't believe in us. So in a firing line we stand together armed. Such that we are not so burdened by virtue, while we fire at the tied and defenseless, claiming that our dishonor was forced. We had no choice. We elected our God. So that our existence is meaningless innocence. All our freedom within worthlessness. All our value is whore's rent. All will fall, in line. To hell, with them. It's an ancient lie that idols are objects. Idols are people that we elect to be our conscious God. Stuck in a peer group purgatorium.

What Does Guilty Mean All terrorists until proven innocent terrorism from the top down to the very thin lines that separate us. Of the people by the people standard issued boots cleaning up the streets. We're told we can and so close to peace. Give up your fights and cease. We've got a chance so please, whatever, does guilty mean? Terrorists with innocence on lease. Our cost for freedom comes due. the color of innocence is blue, so what does guilty mean? A behavioral problem we'll be. What does guilty mean? Kelly Kelly, Kelly D-a-a-ah-ahdy they're killing me. Oh What, does guilty mean? Protect ourselves to risk our protectors will charge a fee take it from your hide policy. But, call us whatever you need We'll tell you what guilty means. Home grown dissent it blooms on the pavement in pools with implied threats in schools. War on terrorism war on ourselves. No respect for lone men white, red, or brown. We don't offer, we owe dues to the camouflage and blues. Who don't earn only soak it in. Paid to kill and righteously grin. Yes we can, achieve this peace. So close we are, to change what guilty means. Status isn't anonymous it's classified. Anonymous isn't status it's terrified. America cannot be corrupt and justified. We walk these same streets declaring we're free. Knowing our guilt, but no longer what guilty means.

well, that's easy. Exclusion and intollerance. You know, because being equal means creating a more clear division and refusing any notion of the existance of a possible natural harmony between the two. (that's being sarcastic) I think it's just more of the typical growing pains in a society that is undergoing a revolution. It isn't the only social divide that is exposed and more clearly out in the open today. It's always easier to wall yourself off than it is to grow and become a better and more confident individual. I suppose that the opposing viewpoint would be that it's about creating solidarity, but that does nothing to encourage a more peacefull co-existance. Personally i think it shouldn't happen.

My Flag Pharmakon My flag pharmakon.* My flag made of the cheapest of China's materials. My flag made in honor of angered spirits twisting and turning in crucifix fields. Wrapped knotted strangling my constitution's pride. My flag making a ruin of my native wilderness polluting it for play money. My flag tucks in and tightens, bribes and corrupts my culture and jails and vilifies those that champion their rights, my fight. Torture terrorists torture terrorists torture terrorism torture. My flag fights with my journalists and artists and demands their dishonesty and threatens authentic integrity with punishment. My flag's authority trumps vitality and the skies sleepily darken. My flag bundles our fighting men side by side and ties them to terrorism in foreign lands. My flag spreads wide to cover up military rape to uphold it's glory seekers warped self image of good deeds. My flag drapes blue courage over the shoulders of well armed cowards vying for sanctuary. My flag's position on the flagpole is determined by a dictator instead of a conscientious community. Our flags at home could not be more false and transparent. The more ashamed I become of my country the higher the waving flag. The more glamorous in high definition the recruitment's glory, the more shit they talk on George Washington. The more they dishonor the founders the higher they wave that flag. They raise it up while we lose our grip. They take away what it stands for till we can't stand tall and reach it. They put it beyond our grasp and sadistically celebrate our need of it. I will not pledge my allegiance. I accuse malfeasance to the flag of the divided states of freedom, segregated states of thinking, this hierarchy of enslavement called citizen-subject-slave-ship, under a new world order. Terrorism is the policy we're 'subject to', 'a party to.' That these two parties do. Their policy boys inflicting their violence monopoly on Sovereign men discriminated against by uninitiated yet indoctrinated nationals intoxicated with authority taught to hate liberated behavior. Sovereign men against gang initiations fending off unaffordable freedoms. We are not your enemy. I'm aware this flag represents the sacrifice of my ancestors. They didn't sacrifice for this. It's a terrorist threat flown over conquered and unconquered lands around the world. It's a white flag of lazy surrender behind bars propping up hollywood's wrecking ball stars. Blood, guts, and glory, the only price for freedom is the blood we spill holding our perverted joysticks. It's a brand of opportunity. Costs for captivity. Leave if you dare xenophobic nationalism. The more terrified I become to fly my flag upside down, the more justified I become in retiring it. Never has there been a more welcomed friendly fire than for this flag to mercifully retire. I loved this flag. This is a funeral pyre. * Pharmakon is . . .a poison and a cure, a solution that damns us, associated with cultural ritual sacrifice. Wikipedia “A pharmakós (Greek: φαρμακός) in Ancient Greek religion was the ritualistic sacrifice or exile by the sorcerers of a human scapegoat or victim. The victims themselves were referred to as pharmakoi and the sorcerer was referred to as a pharmakon.[1] A slave, a cripple or a criminal was chosen by the pharmakon or sorcerer and expelled from the community at times of disaster (famine, invasion or plague) or at times of calendrical crisis, after being given pharmakeus or drugs by the pharmakon or sorcerer who was a practitioner of pharmakeia or pharmaceutics. It was believed that this would bring about purification. On the first day of the Thargelia, a festival of Apollo at Athens, two men, the Pharmakoi, were led out as if to be sacrificed as an expiation. Some scholia state that pharmakoi were actually sacrificed (thrown from a cliff or burned), but many modern scholars reject this, arguing that the earliest source for the pharmakos (the iambic satirist Hipponax) shows the pharmakos being beaten and stoned, but not executed. A more plausible explanation would be that sometimes they were executed and sometimes not, depending on the attitude of the victim. For instance, a deliberate unrepentant murderer would most likely be put to death.”