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In my experience the conspiracy theory crowd seems to dabble a bit in this way of thinking as well. While this is true for now, I fear that the US is little more than a hair's breadth away from religion reasserting itself and exerting the power of a state. In some respects it practically already has if you consider that politicians have to declare their "Christianity" in order to get elected.

I agree with dsayers as well. I don't know what an accurately descriptive name would be, though.

This whole thing is so disgusting. I don't even know what to say. I'm not sure, but somehow I don't think that it will be before task forces, in the interest of officer safety, start using attack helicopters or drones to deliver the no-knock warrants micro-printed on the depleted-uranium tipped bullets they use to pacify the suspect's residence from miles away. I'm sure they will find a way to do it in a completely lawful manner.

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James Dean, I was thinking about suggesting this too, but I kept forgetting to do it while I was at my computer. Thanks for suggesting it. I wish I could give you more upvotes. The pedant in me just couldn't resist. FTFY.

The video is public again... I had heard things in passing at various points earlier in my life that spanking children was falling out of what was considered "proper discipline" by some. I was strongly confronted on the idea of not spanking children while dating a woman in my mid twenties. She told me that there was research that indicates it's detrimental to use corporal punishment on children. I argued against it quite strongly and with no evidence whatsoever. She stopped dating me quite quickly after that. My wife also argued against physical punishment before we got married. I was still firmly entrenched in my barbaric disciplinary beliefs. We shelved the conversation for later. (I cringe as I recall this because I see that it is a faulty part of the foundation of our relationship that we will need to address, though I am optimistic that we will be able to work through it.) As for three factors that strongly produced my change-of-mind... I guess the first two paragraphs count as one factor in different instances. After that my change-of-mind really happened so quickly for me over such a short period of time that I am not sure in which order what happened. It was all related to Stef's work though. It was about three years ago when I first found Stef's work on YouTube. I found his political ideas interesting. I was interested in how to solve the world's ills and I think he mentioned how child rearing is the solution. My interest was piqued at this and I think that's what led me to the Bomb in the Brain series. I had also heard his moral arguments against spanking early on as well. His analogies made the points easier to accept. I had practical questions for a while after this, but videos soon followed to put most of those questions to rest. My stance on spanking changed months before I deconverted from Christianity. What was fundamentally different about me that made it possible to change my stance or be open to the arguments? I have a hard time answering that. Interesting...

I guess commenting on that particular video is no longer in the LORD's plan... It has been made private. I wonder what His message is. Praisefully, He hasn't led them to close their general discussion page. The target audience may be a bit smaller, but there is still a place available to those who wish to leave these parents a public comment. Be sure to exercise caution. You never know if there could be smite mines or something. On a more serious note: As a former super-duper happy-clappy, praise-band performing, severely pro-spanking Christian who could have very easily once fit your criteria for being brain dead, I have to respectfully disagree with you about giving up. While it may be the case that this family is beyond any hope of reasonable discourse and change, I still have to ask: How can you know that for sure? How do you know that presenting the information today won't have an effect on them later, or that it won't cause someone else in the comments section to finally change their mind and ways? Now that they have taken the video down, I wonder what their reasons were for doing so. Have they received a strong enough backlash from the the small percentage of anti-spanking advocates that they are thinking about it now more seriously? Maybe someone shared something like this with her. It could very well be that if this family changes at all, it could come around a little too late for their children (as appears to have been the case for Robbyn Peters Bennett in this TEDx video), and that would be a tragic situation. But what if, like Robbyn, they end up becoming anti-spanking advocates? With the number of subscribers that they have, isn't it worth the long shot? Are we not in the early stages of effecting a change in the general public to more peaceful styles of parenting? Is it not to be expected that we would encounter a very high percentage of resistance or outright dismissal? If such resistance and dismissal is reason enough to just give up, then what hope is there of achieving a society that doesn't assault children? It is true that I may be an exception to a general rule, but exceptions to the rule are the best we can hope for at the moment, aren't they?

I started watching this video yesterday and only made it about 30 seconds in before I started reacting to it and had to shut it off. I had a pretty good idea where it was going to go. After watching it today I found that my initial assumption was correct: All-u-can-eat cliché pro-spanking parroting. I plan to draft a response to the video after I calm down a bit. The combination of happy-clappy Christianity, spanking, and refusal to negotiate with her children was just too much for me to bear. I am curious about others' perceptions and reactions to this video (and the family) in addition to what has already been discussed in this thread. Has anyone here made a triage assessment? Do you think they are beyond hope? Has anyone responded in the comments at all? If there is even a shred of hope in getting this woman (or some of her subscribers) to think about the damage being done, I don't think it would be beneficial to charge in pissed off, guns a blazin'. Considering the large number of subscribers she has, some of them may be receptive to information on peaceful parenting so long as the presentation method doesn't set off their counterwill.

You really can't win, which can be seen in other feminist-related situations as well. I see it kind of like a BASIC program. 10 IF you have a product with males and no females on it, THEN they will protest, “Womyn can do that too!! This product must also have womyn on it!!”20 IF you have a product with both males and females on it, THEN they will protest, “Womyn can do that perfectly fine by themselves!! How DARE you say that womyn are weak!!”30 IF you have a product with females and no males on it, THEN they will protest, “You are gender stereotyping and patriarchally forcing womyn into these roles of submission!!”40 IF you have male oriented products displayed next to female oriented products, THEN they will protest, “Sexism! Why can't it all be unisex?!”50 IF you have unisex products, THEN they will protest, “This is oppression! The patriarchy is erasing womyn from society!!! Why can't we have products just for us?” GOTO 3060 PRINT “WIN!”70 END syntax error BTW Anyone hiring a BASIC programmer with 20+ years retirement experience?

I first heard it only a few months ago myself. The best I can tell is that it means STFU, rip your vocal cords out, castrate yourself, listen, and obey. P.S. And, if possible, make sure to paint your skin any color other than white.

If such a survey returned a near 100% positive result and if we consider that other studies have shown nearly the polar opposite behavior, it might be important in such a survey to look at the definition of peaceful parenting not to mention relying on the accuracy of self-reporting. Have you seen the following video? Please keep in mind that he also talks about coercive parenting techniques other than spanking, i.e. yelling and time-outs. Combative parenting doesn't have a very nice ring to it, nor does it leave one feeling superficially warm and fuzzy. I think terms and phrases the vast majority of parents like to use is something like "tough love" or maybe they say to themselves "Spare the rod, spoil the child," or maybe to their children "You should be grateful you get punished as little as you do! What I got was much, much worse!" Can I ask how you came to the determination that peaceful parenting is a fad? Are there specific points about it that you find lacking after taking the time to learn about it? Do I properly understand you that there is a problem with accepting the conclusions of experts? Would you accept the conclusions of a non-expert? If you have found compelling information against peaceful parenting I think a lot of people here would be interested in perusing it.

I got a vibe from Thomas's post that something more was going on due to a number of factors including his multiple uses of the word creepy, his mother not initiating/avoiding affectionate acts, etc. Only he can clarify that and I would stand corrected if I misunderstood. As to how old the kid has to be until it becomes inappropriate - wouldn't that largely depend on the preferences of the two people involved? In the cases you listed with the siblings, it looks like they never decided that it was a problem. At what point does family members showing love and affection for each other become incest?

I think I should have expressed my sympathies to those who did not receive much loving parent-child contact when they were young. I am sorry to anyone who missed out on this, because I think it really is extremely important. If there was anything else wrong with my previous post I would appreciate if it could be shared with me. ---- Isn't the motivation to show affection and reinforce a loving bond between the adult and child? Isn't skin-to-skin contact well-known to be beneficial - something of which kisses are a small part? Perhaps this article would be of interest: http://chealth.canoe.ca/channel_section_details.asp?text_id=4220&channel_id=11&relation_id=27881 Does kissing have to be modeled to learn it? There seems to be some debate about that not only in this thread but among anthropologists as well. It should also be pointed out generally that kissing-type behavior is not unique to humans. Both points are addressed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss#Biology_and_evolution ---- There was something I was thinking about yesterday but didn't post because I was tired. I do remember later in my childhood a growing repugnance towards kissing family members on the lips when I saw it with my younger siblings and cousins. This was when I was entering puberty and after this type of kissing had already stopped between me and other family members. Maybe the reason for this could be due to sexual awakening. I'm not sure. My wife brought up a similar story about herself after seeing this thread. She was also raised in a family where they kissed on the lips. She mentioned that she had no problem with it as a young child but her family expected her to keep doing it after reaching puberty and she had also developed a repugnance towards it. After reading this thread I got to thinking about another intimate parent-child interaction: breastfeeding. The nipples are also considered an erogenous zone (even during breastfeeding for some mothers, some of whom become aroused to the point of orgasm) but we make an allowance for this connection in order for a mother to feed her child. Until which age breastfeeding is considered acceptable also tends to generate heated debate, although there appears to be some scientific support for breastfeeding up to the age of four or five. This is mentioned in the video below around 12:00 or so, but the entire beginning of the video I think is important to watch as well. While it is not conclusively known that kissing is a vestigial act from premastication, could it be that there is a positive psychological result from this type of touch between parents and children? Could it be that not kissing (or even not premasticating) is the learned behavior in some locales just like not breastfeeding in public is a learned behavior in others?

Kissing on the lips (quick peck) was also in my family and I think it stopped for the children around the age of six. I don't have any negative memories towards it such as being forced or expected to do it and I would also be in the camp of not having a problem with it so long as the child didn't object. I find it interesting that the those in this thread that admittedly experienced less parent-child intimacy are expressing more objection to this act in contrast to the those who experienced more.

That's the one, lol!

Found a bug with the time indicator and the mouse popup. The podcast I listened to went beyond the length displayed above the volume slider and when I moused over the time slider for the time display popup, I got a substantially different time from where I was in the podcast. My mouse pointer didn't make it into the screenshot, but I think you can see the general idea of what I am talking about.

^ I think this one would go nicely printed across a picture of the pipe-smoking non-argument dog ilk. Just caught one that I like a few minutes ago from http://www.fdrpodcasts.com/#/70/how-to-control-a-human-soul around 43:00 to 46:30 or so. I have a disparity between the mouse pop up timer and the one visible above the volume bar, so I can't say exactly when it is. "Culture is just the scar tissue of child abuse."

I wonder how many people in this community were once pro-state until they heard the against-me argument. Markus FIN, have you spoken with these pro-state people in your life and presented them with the against-me argument? Without speaking for Stef, I think the idea was to first clearly present people with the against-me argument. If they reject it and say that they have no problem with you being shot for following your conscience, then it would probably be better for you in the long run to no longer associate with them.

That 'gentle' thing really got me too. Also the "I am not violent" part and "If I could take it back, I would." I can't help but wonder what he would have done differently. Move the position of his hand? Slap just less than enough to kill her? How is he not violent if he slaps his children for not sweeping under the goddamned carpet? I guess we should never forget that spanking is OK if you don't leave a mark - even if it results in death. This is so revolting.

That's because there is no method being employed here aside from defrauding people looking to buy a snack. I would guess that women also got ripped off but showing them hit or shake the machine would go against the narrative of men mostly being the aggressors. I would also guess that some of the video footage of men striking the machine came after the shaming video and sound effects and the realization that they wouldn't get their money back or receive the item they were trying to purchase.

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You've given a different situation with different vocabulary containing different meanings from your earlier post. Is pushing someone out of the way of a train aggression? It may be necessary to define aggression. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggression Earlier you didn't say push the child out of harm's way. You said (emphasis mine): Saying hitting a child to "defend" him from running in the street is a very different situation than pushing or lifting him out of the path of oncoming traffic. Your scenario seems to imply that hitting happens preemptively. Is that what you mean? From what I understand, pushing someone out of the path of a train is in the same special case category as a surgeon cutting open an already unconscious person who needs immediate attention. We understand that the vast majority of people would prefer living to dying. We don't use our fists/open hands, belts, paddles, etc. to inflict pain to move someone out of traffic. We physically move them without such methods. A surgeon uses anesthesia before using the scalpel. In both cases we reasonably understand that had the person previously known, he likely would have given consent to short-term unpleasantness in order to achieve long-term health. Steps are taken to minimize pain. This is not true of hitting. I think anyone who has witnessed a child being hit would agree that children tend to be very vocal in expressing their non-consent to what is being inflicted upon them. If you asked children what their preference would be in solving the traffic scenario, do you think they would ask you to hit them or solve it some other way? In only very exceptional cases would someone object to being pushed out of the way of oncoming traffic (or being operated on in the case of unconsciousness, e.g. after a botched suicide attempt). Stef talks a bit about the traffic scenario in the first few minutes of podcast 196:http://cdn.media.freedomainradio.com/feed/FDR_196_Parenting_Part_1_Credibility.mp3

I tried reading the article but I had this problem where some of the words kinda morphed and swirled and I couldn't help but see the article like this: End negotiation? Really? And (this is just my thought) isn't nagging likely a symptom of a child expressing dissatisfaction in a win-lose scenario? I don't have any kids of my own, so I would love to hear from parents with practical experience about their take on the OP's article. To me it seems like an asshole thing to do to a kid. Just stonewall them and they will go away like you always wanted... Don't even try to talk with your kid and actually negotiate something both sides can be happy with.