Markus FIN
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I agree with that, somehow it was just hard for me to get that point across.
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They didn't really before either, even when we agreed because of the sheer frustration and amount of energy that it takes. Thinking about the great truths of the world (after i got interested in those) can be exhausting to some people. :/And yes it A LOT of fun! :3
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Thanks for the advice and it is true that political action seems inefficient, even more so if the decisions that are proposed are SMART decisions. Guess we just need to try and change ourselves bit by bit and see whether or not others will join us or ditch us. Also I am a bit skeptical about changing your way of life overnight as that may cause your friends and family to be shocked and deny your actions or even worse leave you. I have been taking it slow and I have presented some of my Libertarian ideas to the people around me and there have been many kinds of reactions. My Socialist friend obviously says that I have gone completely off the rock and he wants me to tell him why I think Libertarianism is a working concept. My friends are completely neutral to it and it doesn't really matter to them. My parents are a bit annoyed that I am becoming a "fundamentalist" but they say that they respect my choice as long as I don't attempt to force feed them my political views. I guess by time we will see how they warm up to my ideas and who knows, I might even change my ideas completely while in the process. I am still going to follow politics as I find them interesting and I occasionally stop to discuss with politicians at their public appearances. I like to talk to all of them, the Liberals, the Socialists, the Conservatives, the Populists, the Environmentalists and the Communists. Today I spent about a half an our debating with a Communist politician about whether or not the right to own or the free market overall is an ethical concept. He had good points and we actually ended up in mutually beneficial conclusion which was a HUGE surprise to the both of us! I got a bit annoyed as he called me a Capitalist all the time even when I was yet to tell him my views but was simply asking and criticizing his... But it all came out just fine and we both went out merry ways. In Finland it is easy to just walk up to a famous politician and have a discuss with him before the elections. They are just chilling at the election stands ready to answer any questions or engage in a conversation with those who are interested. And not just the small politicians as I even once talked to the prime minister of Finland, Jyrki Katainen! They all (well most of them) have good arguments and I like to talk to them because it both gives me new information and points of view and allows me to create more and better counter-arguments. I go out to even the most fanatic Statists and sit down to hear their views and express mine. Most of that last part had nothing to do with what we were talking about but I just wrote it in there anyway as it doesn't hurt anyone.
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I agree with that. I as well think most people mean well but just don't understand how they are actually constantly using violence. But if they don't care about politics and don't want to talk about the subject? :/
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I agree that the US is pretty much hopeless now, but I still have not lost my faith with some European countries. But you could very well be right about the situation, it is just pretty depressing if it truly is so. Please consider the fact that I see the US as a pretty much lost case already but I believe that there are still countries which can be changed via political means. If we want people to not vote like retards and a actually understand the situation then we need to get economics to be a school subject and replace social studies with it.
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Can UPB be made clearer and more concise?
Markus FIN replied to labmath2's topic in General Messages
I agree. It does not have to be Stefan himself, it can be done by someone else who has a good overall knowledge of UPB. It would really help both those who simply don't fully understand the UPB and those who don't have much previous experience on philosophy. :)Markus FIN -
I never called anyone sheepish or a blind follower, I just said that in my opinion certain kind of action makes it seem like that to me. I mean I can say that you buying a lollipop makes you seem like a rapist to me but it doesn't make it true. I was trying to express that I want to know why some people act a certain way and I was hoping that someone would have the answer. Basically it was the same "lollipop" issue but said in a different way: "I think that buying a lollipop makes you look like a rapist. I am not saying that you ARE a rapist, but to me it makes it seem like it..." I really don't understand what in that sentence is actually responsible of a vote down. That is why I am asking from you.
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I understand what you mean and it explains A LOT. Thank you for pointing it out as now I can try to improve my ways so I can get rid if that mountain of downvotes... It's nice for you to take the time and help me, I appreciate it.
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I did, it was the podcast that I linked to my 3rd and 4th answers. In it he says it very clearly: "You don't keep people in your life that want you shot." And by people who "want you shot" he clearly meant anyone who is pro-state. So I should get rid of all people in my life who are pro-state.
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This not a topic of me whining about it, I really want to hear what kind of mistakes I am doing. I am looking to improve and it would be very helpful if I could hear what YOU think I am doing wrong. I thank in advance. 2 examples of my threads: https://board.freedomainradio.com/topic/40066-open-letter-to-stefan-molyneux-about-relationships/ https://board.freedomainradio.com/topic/39919-an-open-letter-to-stefan-molyneux-about-minarchism/ Markus FIN
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Good posts, would give it a +1 reputation but it costs money so sorry but I won't. He understand the situation I am in and acknowledges that being a Libertarian is not an "on" or "off" type of situation. Markus FIN It might but my friendships are still good enough for me and I will not shut them off yet. Perhaps later on I find new friends who fit me even better than the ones that I have now, but that will be in the future. To quote Merle Dixon: "You need to play with the hand you get and I only got one."
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I watched episode one of it already but I am yet to pick up part two. I'll check that next! Markus FIN
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"Stop associating with those who would attack you for your opinion." Please don't dislike this comment because I am going to tell you my completely honest opinion on how I feel about Anarcho-Capitalism after watching that video... The fanatic fascists, the fanatic socialists and the fanatic religious groups all have similar ways of action as the one you just pointed out. They all are 100% sure that what they know (which they do not as they only believe) is the truth and they are willing to cut all social relationships and connects to the outside world for it. Not all of them can be right, so some of them must be wrong. It is likely that most of them were actually wrong and that their beliefs only led them to insanity and sorrow. Libertarianism is based on philosophy and rational thinking, but how can I be sure if this is the right path to follow? What if this is the wrong path and I spend my entire life trying to catch a ghost. In a way it seems like while Stefan is inviting us in with open arms he is simultaneously closing the gate behind us to make it harder to leave. I am trying to stay between the gate and the rest of the world but it is squeezing tighter all the time. Stefan says that the world I left behind is the prison and the door he is opening for me is the way to freedom. But how can I be sure that the prison is not the place he is offering me? I am going to try and clarify my thoughts and feelings by using the Truman Show as an example. Let's say that Truman is just minding his own business in the world which he thinks is real and one day he meets a man called Stefan who tells him that he is actually living in a big artificial world and has been observed and enslaved for his entire life. Truman then becomes confused and starts talking about it to people. People say that he is crazy and should stop thinking about it, which causes him to go back to Stefan. Stefan then tells him that they only say that because EVERYONE is part of the fraud. Everyone you have ever known or ever will know is an actor. To be able to become free you will need to stop associating with other people and cut all connections to the outside world. The only way to make it stop is to make you useless for the show, anything else and it would keep going. If you do not interact with anything, they show will go bust and they will be forced to let you leave. Truman believes him and does as he is told. He goes into the basement with food and locks it up tight until everyone admits the truth and the outside world is being dissembled... As it turns out Stefan was incorrect and there was no artificial environment. It had been the real world all the time and Truman had thrown away all of it. His friends, his wife, his children and his family because they just would not confess to him that they were supposedly "actors" and the world around him was a fraud... This is why I am EXTREMELY CRITICAL when it comes to radical political or religious ideologies. To me it is the trademark of a wise man to check what is behind every door before deciding which one to choose. If one of the doors tries to close itself behind me while I peak inside, I immediately slam my foot in between to stop it. If I get trapped in the room and there is no way out I will never be able to return. I can't be sure what's on the other side of the door, but if I make the wrong choice I can never go back. So like I said, I will slam my foot in between the door and peak inside. No matter how prominent it looks from outside, I will never go permanently inside until I have seen everything. This comes straight from my heart and I do not mean to insult ANYONE. Markus
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Now it works! I will check that out.
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Fuck it, this topic is re-opened. Who says I want to leave the farm? What I want is that the farm would not be a prison from which you can't escape. There is no possibility to get away from governments in the current world and that is the only problem. If I leave the farm I will just end up on another farm. There is no unclaimed wilderness anymore, so where would I leave to? If there was a CHOICE between living free and living in a state, I would choose the state. It is like choosing which hotel to go to and I will rather pay money to sleep in a comfortable bed than sleep outside in the woods. As long as you give the people the freedom to NOT be a part of the state, there will be no major ethical issues. If people voluntarily give their money to a government in order to live there, then the question of whether taxing is moral or immoral because obsolete. If you think there is a logical error or something else that I have made a mistake with then please state it in a post. I would appreciate if you only disliked when I have done something inappropriate. Markus FIN Thank you for backing me up xelent, you are a great guy! Sorry for you bro, I don't know why anyone would dislike that comment. To me it seemed clear and rational.