Marshall B

Hilarious....Great point. So if the pink unicorn had a book of commands it would then be objective. Magic happened=objective Non answer= objective Flipflamshmam=objective

What a great observation/question. All good replies too. Wouldn't it depend on how they apologized. It's true that the door of eternal darkness being right in front of them is the reason they now see the light but the apology is probably genuine. Or let's just say it is is. They totally get it now and aren't just apologizing but giving a detailed response as to why and how they went wrong. Death being their rock bottom. It's too late to make amends and it is pointless but at least they finally got it. Some don't even get it at that point. I'm not sure what I would do to be honest. If anyone was watching I wouldn't accept the apology because I wouldn't want the dieing persons behavior getting justifed and portrayed as somewhat exceptable. Maybe I just answered my own question.

My brain hurts as well. Hitchens has some great debates online against a guy named frank turek who poses this question. Hitch destroys that silliness very quickly. I don't really even know how to counter it because I can't make any sense of it in the first place. I guess they are saying how can there be anything if there isn't a god. Everything comes back to how do we get something from nothing. How do we get morality from nothing. And fuck if I know but who cares......a man in the clouds/magic is not an answer.

My wife has one of those families where everyone kind of gets along but nothing of substance is ever talked about. They are all "Christians". I've been to the family Xmas for 10 years and Jesus's name is never brought up outside of the prayer. Weather, football, kids, yes. They are the complete opposite of philosophically minded. Hard working, Christian conservative, God fearing etc. That being said they are extremely nice people. Nice in that fucked up cowardly sort of way. Agree to disagree and never bring up anything that someone could possibly get offended about. Anyways I'm not exactly filling that role. After being agnostic for most of my life Ive recently become an atheist. It all makes sense. I always disliked religion but never saw it as evil. After reading Molyneux, watching hitchens, Sam Harris, Dawkins etc it's such a no brainer and it's become really hard to tolerate this dangerous stupidity. Does anyone else have any experience as to how to handle this. They are great grandparents and descent people outside of this. I wrote a long email to them expressing how I feel and the damage it did to me as a kiddo and they responded with "we'll pray for you". It kills me. Every time my mother-inlaw calls my wife I cringe. It's made my wife(who is an ex weakass Christian who had never even read the bible but now agnostic) feel caught in the middle. I'm wanting her to step up and say something to them not because I cant do it myself but more so because I know I would do the same for her. I'll gladly talk to them but it seems like she should be a little pissed off as well. She feels like she's being torn. It's me vs them kind of thing. I confronted my mom recently about being an atheist. She thinks I'm going to hell and it's my choice to do so. So I'm kind of done with her unless she changes her mind. Really don't like hanging out with people who think it's just for me to burn in hell for all eternity. That's an elephant I can't ignore. Statists are no different I get it. But in the ole Bible Belt it's the God stuff that kills me the most. Can you fucking believe the times we live in. I have to remind myself daily that there is no better time than now. We won the time lottery as stef said. But some people make it pretty tough to remember that.

Great post. I guess we are all still stuck in High school. Those are the dorks right? Then for the jocks sports are another form of it. Not playing but endlessly watching sportcenter, ESPN, fantasy football etc. Those sports stores in malls where grown ass adults are buying jerseys of dudes younger than them. Creepy shit really. That's all the guys I used to hang with through my 20's. None of them have kids, married etc. No desire to either. Then there's NPR and politics for the people who really care about important issues in the world..... Philoso what?

Not sure what to make of this....CDC and AAP are now recommending it? http://www.m.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/news/20141202/cdc-endorses-circumcision-for-health-reasons?page=3