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ok so you don't have to kiss the frog for it to turn into a human ... just give it "millions of years" aka time = fairy dust. http://www.livescience.com/6379-frogs-surprisingly-humans-genetically-speaking.html

Ravi Zacharias : Who is responsible for evil?

how can evolution/atheism account for objective morality?

micro evolution is science macro evolution is religion "millions of years" is not a "magical force" except in the the church of evolution in a relativistic world view of the atheist/evolutionist there is no objective morality. therefore morality does not exist : Dr Ravi Zacharias

In this updated, expanded edition, starting with Freud's "projection theory" of religion - that belief in God is merely a product of man's desire for security - Professor Vitz argues that psychoanalysis actually provides a more satisfying explanation for atheism. Disappointment in one's earthly father, whether through death, absence, or mistreatment, frequently leads to a rejection of God. A biographical survey of influential atheists of the past four centuries shows that this "defective father hypothesis" provides a consistent explanation of the "intense atheism" of these thinkers. A survey of the leading defenders of Christianity over the same period confirms the hypothesis, finding few defective fathers. Vitz concludes with an intriguing comparison of male and female atheists and a consideration of other psychological factors that can contribute to atheism. Professor Vitz does not argue that atheism is psychologically determined. Each man, whatever his experiences, ultimately chooses to accept God or reject him. Yet the cavalier attribution of religious faith to irrational, psychological needs is so prevalent that an exposition of the psychological factors predisposing one to atheism is necessary. “Vitz offers a radical new thesis about the psychological origins of atheism. By studying the lives of numerous famous atheists, from the old atheists Nietzsche, Sartre, and Freud to the new atheists Hitchens, Dawkins, and Dennet, Vitz discovers a startling common pattern: atheism arises in people with dead, absent, or abusive fathers. By contrast, prominent defenders of religious belief-including Blaise Pascal, John Henry Newman, and G.K. Chesterton-were blessed with attentive, loving and caring fathers. Vitz's provocative book raises important questions about psychology, religious belief, and the importance of fathers. ” - Christopher Kaczor, Author, The Seven Big Myths about the Catholic Church “Quite simply, Paul Vitz's Faith of the Fatherless is a minor classic, a book that should be on the short list of all those who want to understand, in the deepest terms, the ill effects caused by the failures of fatherhood. Faith of the Fatherless should function as a gateway book to research in all fields examining our current, highly-secularized culture, a culture marked deeply by both unbelief and hostility toward the family and especially fatherhood. ” - Benjamin Wiker, Author, Architects of the Culture of Death “In deploying Freudian theory against atheism itself, Paul Vitz has proven beyond a doubt what's missing from secular accounts of secularization: namely, actual human beings. His thesis is intellectual jujutsu of the first order, as anyone reading this timely revisiting will appreciate in full. ” http://www.amazon.com/Faith-Fatherless-The-Psychology-Atheism/dp/1586176870

some include : symbiotic relationships. how did one exist without the other? which "evolved" first? natural selection (selects pre existing genetic information, it does not create new genetic inforamtion)

if you kiss a frog and it turns into a prince, that is a fairy tale... but give it "MILLIONS OF YEARS" and it's science. what about indoctrinating them into a the religion of evolution? the big bang = someting from nothing / spontaneous generation abiogenesis = life from non life / spontaneous generation macro evolution = one kind of animal can turn into a different kind of animal .. if you kiss a frog and it turns into a prince, that is a fairy tale. but give it "MILLIONS OF YEARS" and it's science.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejCQrOTE-XA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x42qi7Fz1L0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-year light year,[2] is a unit of length used informally to express astronomical distances. Because it includes the wordyear, the term light-year is sometimes misinterpreted as a unit of time. "People who spend their lives in the field as scientists do not think there is a problem with the fossil record." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority Argument from authority "Its hard to imagine something as complex as on all powerful omnipotent being creating and running a universe where he a created a species after his own image, on one spec of dust on the outer edge of 1 out of 100s of billions of galaxies. Especially given that there is no evidence for this." nice diversion to the issue of complexity. why not just scream "flying spagetti monster" and throw monkey feces. how do complex systems come to "evolve" with many complex interconnected mechanisms that need to work together. how did they evolve seperately? also how do we know earth is a "spec of dust on the outer edge of 1 out of 100s of billions of galaxies" . ? all we really know empirically (scientifically) is that when we look up we see alot of little dots of light in the sky. most of which do not move. never have moved and never will move. which contradicts the idea that everything is just hurling thru space at millions of miles per hour all being pushed and pulled by random gravitational forces ad finitum. also as for your agrument about some stars being 6000 light years away : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-year light year,[2] is a unit of length used informally to express astronomical distances. Because it includes the wordyear, the term light-year is sometimes misinterpreted as a unit of time. as for your claims about the "fossil record" : The fact is, many species, in fact many major groups of animals, appear in the lowest part of the fossil record. This phenomena is called The Cambrian Explosion. Please see information about The Cambrian Explosion on The Fossil Record: Evidence of the world wide flood of the Biblepage of this website. “I concluded that this great group had been suddenly developed at the commencement of the tertiary series This was a sore trouble to me, adding as I thought one more instance of the abrupt appearance of a great group of species. ” “The case most frequently insisted on by paleontologists of the apparently sudden appearance of a whole group of species, is that of the teleostean fishes, low down in the Chalk period.” “On the sudden appearance of groups of Allied Species in the lowest known fossilferous strata: There is another and allied difficulty, which is much graver. I allude to the manner in whichnumbers of species of the same group suddenly appear in the lowest known fossiliferous rocks.” “Consequently, if my theory be true, it is indisputable that before the lowest Silurian stratum was deposited, long periods elapsed, as long as, or probably far longer than, the whole interval from the Silurian age to the present day; and that during these vast, yet quite unknown, periods of time, the world swarmed with living creatures. To the question why we do not find records of these vast primordial periods, I can give no satisfactory answer.” “The case at present must remain inexplicable; and may be truly urged as a valid argument against the views here entertained.” “The several difficulties here discussed, namely our not finding in the successive formations infinitely numerous transitional links between the many species which now exist or have existed; the sudden manner in which whole groups of species appear in our European formations; the almost entire absence, as at present known, of fossiliferous formations beneath the Silurian strata, are all undoubtedly of the gravest nature.” The fact is, many species, in fact many major groups of animals, appear in the lowest part of the fossil record. This phenomena is called The Cambrian Explosion. Please see information about The Cambrian Explosion on The Fossil Record: Evidence of the world wide flood of the Biblepage of this website. “I concluded that this great group had been suddenly developed at the commencement of the tertiary series This was a sore trouble to me, adding as I thought one more instance of the abrupt appearance of a great group of species. ” “The case most frequently insisted on by paleontologists of the apparently sudden appearance of a whole group of species, is that of the teleostean fishes, low down in the Chalk period.” “On the sudden appearance of groups of Allied Species in the lowest known fossilferous strata: There is another and allied difficulty, which is much graver. I allude to the manner in whichnumbers of species of the same group suddenly appear in the lowest known fossiliferous rocks.” “Consequently, if my theory be true, it is indisputable that before the lowest Silurian stratum was deposited, long periods elapsed, as long as, or probably far longer than, the whole interval from the Silurian age to the present day; and that during these vast, yet quite unknown, periods of time, the world swarmed with living creatures. To the question why we do not find records of these vast primordial periods, I can give no satisfactory answer.” “The case at present must remain inexplicable; and may be truly urged as a valid argument against the views here entertained.” “The several difficulties here discussed, namely our not finding in the successive formations infinitely numerous transitional links between the many species which now exist or have existed; the sudden manner in which whole groups of species appear in our European formations; the almost entire absence, as at present known, of fossiliferous formations beneath the Silurian strata, are all undoubtedly of the gravest nature.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_symbiotic_relationships symbiotic relationships, (which evolved first) (how did one survive without the other).... natural selection (only "selects" pre existing genetic information, it does not "create" new genetic information) (micro evolution) or "variations/mutations" does not equate (macro evolution) one kind of animal "transforms" into a different kind "if you kiss a frog and it turns into a prince, that is a fairy tale.. but give it "MILLIONS OF YEARS" and it's science". Kent Hovind. the big bang theory = something comes from nothing abiogenesis = life comes from non life Kent Hovind Debateshttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6988326B6B0D9F1A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-year light year,[2] is a unit of length used informally to express astronomical distances. Because it includes the word year, the term light-year is sometimes misinterpreted as a unit of time. https://en.wikipedia...wiki/Light-year light year,[2] is a unit of length used informally to express astronomical distances. Because it includes the word year, the term light-year is sometimesmisinterpreted as a unit of time. "the fossil record" would have to show "transitions". to be evidence of "macro evolution". since man is still in search of "the missing link" the jury is still out. even darwin admitted that we would NEED to find transitional fossils to PROVE his theory. : The fact is, many species, in fact many major groups of animals, appear in the lowest part of the fossil record. This phenomena is called The Cambrian Explosion. Please see information about The Cambrian Explosion on The Fossil Record: Evidence of the world wide flood of the Biblepage of this website. “I concluded that this great group had been suddenly developed at the commencement of the tertiary series This was a sore trouble to me, adding as I thought one more instance of the abrupt appearance of a great group of species. ” “The case most frequently insisted on by paleontologists of the apparently sudden appearance of a whole group of species, is that of the teleostean fishes, low down in the Chalk period.” “On the sudden appearance of groups of Allied Species in the lowest known fossilferous strata: There is another and allied difficulty, which is much graver. I allude to the manner in whichnumbers of species of the same group suddenly appear in the lowest known fossiliferous rocks.” “Consequently, if my theory be true, it is indisputable that before the lowest Silurian stratum was deposited, long periods elapsed, as long as, or probably far longer than, the whole interval from the Silurian age to the present day; and that during these vast, yet quite unknown, periods of time, the world swarmed with living creatures. To the question why we do not find records of these vast primordial periods, I can give no satisfactory answer.” “The case at present must remain inexplicable; and may be truly urged as a valid argument against the views here entertained.” “The several difficulties here discussed, namely our not finding in the successive formations infinitely numerous transitional links between the many species which now exist or have existed; the sudden manner in which whole groups of species appear in our European formations; the almost entire absence, as at present known, of fossiliferous formations beneath the Silurian strata, are all undoubtedly of the gravest nature.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-year light year,[2] is a unit of length used informally to express astronomical distances. Because it includes the wordyear, the term light-year is sometimes misinterpreted as a unit of time.

"I realize that I go against the grain on this issue" yes becuase most believers in evolution also believe in a big bang. which is why there is a relevant connection even though : "the theory of evolution makes no claims on the origin of the universe"

"The theory of evolution makes no claims on the origin of the universe, so I'm not sure why you mentioned the big bang." do you believe in the big bang theory? ........ do you believe in evolution? if yes to both questions then the connection is made. "The difference between micro and macro evolution is the time scale, and not the natural processes." if you kiss a frog and it turns into a prince that's a fairy tale. but if you give it "MILLIONS OF YEARS" it's science.

to extrapolate the "mirco evolution" (variations/mutations) from one kind of animal to it's offspring into "macro evolution" (transformation) into a different kind of animal is not science it's a faith based religious belief. if you kiss a frog and it turns into a prince that's a fairy tale. but if you give it "MILLIONS OF YEARS" it's science.

he usually debates the so called "experts" with logic. expert = an impressionable child that was indoctrinated with a "state religion" and grew up to then promulgate/perpetuate that same "state religion" to the next generation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority Argument from authority, also authoritative argument and appeal to authority, is a common form of argument which leads to a logical fallacy when used in argumentative reasoning.[1] In informal reasoning, the appeal to authority is a form of argument attempting to establish astatistical syllogism.[2] The appeal to authority relies on an argument of the form:[3] A is an authority on a particular topic A says something about that topic A is probably correct

faith of the fatherless http://www.amazon.com/Faith-Fatherless-The-Psychology-Atheism/dp/1586176870 In this updated, expanded edition, starting with Freud's "projection theory" of religion - that belief in God is merely a product of man's desire for security - Professor Vitz argues that psychoanalysis actually provides a more satisfying explanation for atheism. Disappointment in one's earthly father, whether through death, absence, or mistreatment, frequently leads to a rejection of God. A biographical survey of influential atheists of the past four centuries shows that this "defective father hypothesis" provides a consistent explanation of the "intense atheism" of these thinkers. A survey of the leading defenders of Christianity over the same period confirms the hypothesis, finding few defective fathers. Vitz concludes with an intriguing comparison of male and female atheists and a consideration of other psychological factors that can contribute to atheism. Professor Vitz does not argue that atheism is psychologically determined. Each man, whatever his experiences, ultimately chooses to accept God or reject him. Yet the cavalier attribution of religious faith to irrational, psychological needs is so prevalent that an exposition of the psychological factors predisposing one to atheism is necessary. “Vitz offers a radical new thesis about the psychological origins of atheism. By studying the lives of numerous famous atheists, from the old atheists Nietzsche, Sartre, and Freud to the new atheists Hitchens, Dawkins, and Dennet, Vitz discovers a startling common pattern: atheism arises in people with dead, absent, or abusive fathers. By contrast, prominent defenders of religious belief-including Blaise Pascal, John Henry Newman, and G.K. Chesterton-were blessed with attentive, loving and caring fathers. Vitz's provocative book raises important questions about psychology, religious belief, and the importance of fathers. ” - Christopher Kaczor, Author, The Seven Big Myths about the Catholic Church “Quite simply, Paul Vitz's Faith of the Fatherless is a minor classic, a book that should be on the short list of all those who want to understand, in the deepest terms, the ill effects caused by the failures of fatherhood. Faith of the Fatherless should function as a gateway book to research in all fields examining our current, highly-secularized culture, a culture marked deeply by both unbelief and hostility toward the family and especially fatherhood. ” - Benjamin Wiker, Author, Architects of the Culture of Death “In deploying Freudian theory against atheism itself, Paul Vitz has proven beyond a doubt what's missing from secular accounts of secularization: namely, actual human beings. His thesis is intellectual jujutsu of the first order, as anyone reading this timely revisiting will appreciate in full. ”

it's derived from kent hovind debates https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6988326B6B0D9F1A Dr. Michael Shermer vs Dr. Hovind https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6988326B6B0D9F1A

they don't call it "the cycle of abuse" for nothing you might want to start with forgiveness for your mom's manipulation and lack of empathy. "wrote a song about it. like to hear it here it go" the oppressor the oppressed when the victim becomes the victimizer and the oppressor the oppressed my sympathy torments my anger but still I'm just a child when the abused becomes the abuser and the misuser the misused my sympathy torments my anger but still I'm just a child when the scorned becomes the scorner and the aggressor the aggressed my sympathy torments my anger but still I'm just a child when the neglector becomes neglected and the tormentor tormented my sympathy subdues my anger but still I'm just a child my mother was neglectful, oppressive and cold as a child she was a victim of atrocities I could never know the anger in her eyes, the rage in her voice showed her torment as a child, of which she never had a choice to sympathize with your oppressor to rationalize disrespect to rise above the anguish and trivialize the neglect to empathize with your aggressor the oppressor the oppressed 1-15-14 http://allpoetry.com/poem/11272319-the-oppressor-the-oppressed-by-Forms-In-Space

no rules, no regulation, no rhythm, no wrong notes pure expression https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQ-CxbnzE3CgVhhDN7xPFbUFrpGejq0ak

the church of evolution is the faith based religion that something can come from nothing aka the big bang, life can come from non life aka abiogenesis, one kind of animal can brith a different kind of animal aka macro evolution.