Mike C.

She happens to be seeing a therapist already for depression, as of late (while coming off her medicine). We are thinking of maybe seeing her together sometime. We are worried I might disagree with her methods if she (the therapist) is not well versed in logic... Haha, but yeah! Also I did listen to that podcast. It was interesting, and a bit confusing, as well. Thanks for the info! Yesterday she actually asked me if I was trying to change her or persuade her. I thought about it and said, "no. I am trying to understand you better." The conversation went so much better after that. So, I agree with you there! Thanks! Yeah I figured that would be likely. Important to think about before having kids, for sure! So the question is how to find out if she will or won't do this...

Yeah, I gather that she is thinking long term about whether our life will be better or worse if I apply the scientific method to my faith. Her family wouldn't disown her, but her parents would be somewhat disappointed. But mostly my wife feels scared and is afraid something bad will happen if I don't repent and keep following the commandments that I am doubting. I am still on the fence, I guess. I thought about not paying tithing (10% of my income) for a year or so to see what happened as far as blessings go, and she got very scared. The LDS church does teach that it is important to use reason and understand why you are being obedient, but she somehow hasn't learned that doctrine, yet, somehow... Work in progress, I guess. I'll keep you all posted. I might call in in a week or two if I need to. Thanks all!

I got married a year ago, and we are learning a lot about how to get along and know each other and ourselves. Things are pleasant 80% of the time or so. We think quite differently, which I always knew could be either a strength or a challenge. Okay, so I started listening to Adam Kokesh and became a believer in anarchy about 3 or 4 months ago, then found FDR a couple months ago and am very curious and attracted to his logical approach to things. My wife never read much of the stuff I read about anarchy and nowadays she doesn't really like listening to Stefan, either. I think she may be listening more because I ask her and less because she is really interested. We are LDS (AKA Mormon) and she said she feels uncomfortable challenging certain core beliefs that are part of our faith. I told her I feel doubt about our future because I fear that she may be unwilling to challenge certain beliefs that are not true and possibly causing her emotional suffering. How can I be more persuasive to her? Maybe just be an example of living UPB and explaining how it brings me peace...? Thanks!

I just barely had an arguement with my wife about this question. Is not forgiving someone who doesn't apologize bad for you? I came to the same logical conclusion as all of you did, but she pointed to what we have been taught in church and stated that when I forgave so-and-so, I felt peace. I then said, I feel some kind of peace when I justify my wrong doings, but that doesn't make it healthy... She cried and said she didn't like me questioning these core beliefs. (There is a deeper story that I won't go into now, but yeah) So it's a tough concept to wrestle, but forgiveness is a virtue when we forgive people who say they will change and who have learned from their mistake(s). This is because the relationship can be salvaged and transformed into a stronger healthier one, which may benefit you and them. Forgiveness is not a virtue when we use it as an excuse to repress "sinful" feelings of anger towards the person who has hurt us. Repressing our feelings is as bad as dismissing them. Like in the new Pixar movie Inside Out. Deep stuff. Good thread!