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The definition I use for 'the state' or a state, is any organization that uses force or coercion to accomplish social goals. Depending on what your definition of 'the state' or a state is I would argue that the United States was a stateless country. At that point in time under the constitution and the bill of rights it did not establish any organization that used force or coercion. That came latter.

He established His church from the very begining right after the fall.

I have never seen this interpretation of the creation being to diffrent accounts like this. In Gen 2:4-25 I think whoever made this parallel is reading it wrong trying to make it look like it contradicts itself.

One of my favorite scriptures is Moses 1:39 "For behold, this is my work and my glory to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man." Heavenly Father did not establish his church on the earth for him, but for us. It was established to bring to pass our immortality and our eternal life. Since Heavenly Father is all powerfully and all knowing, the only way he recieves more glory is through eternal postarity, us. As we progress through the eternities he recieves more glory. But whether we receive eternal life or not or fallow him or not He is still God. His knowledge and power deosnt depend on us, his glory depends on us and our progression through the eterniries.

If you look at the reasons why people or groups of people go to war, I believe you will find the reasons to come from the oragins of the devil. If satanism or socialism as Stephan has made the correlation is a religion then I would have to agree religion meaning satanism, socialism, the State is the cause of all wars.

Gen. 1:1 - 2:3 We have the description of the creation of what we know as the earth in seven periods. Then you have in Gen. 2:4 - 2:25 the experience of Adam and Eve after they were created, and what happened in the garden. These are not two experiences of the same thing.

What do you mean two stories? There is only one christian creation story.

In the Genesis Experience Heavenly Father commanded Adam and Eve to "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth" Gen. 1:28 KJV and also commanded them to "Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Gen. 2:16-17 KJV My understanding is that these commandments where in opposition to each other. First they where commanded to be fruitful and have children and families and multiply. But how could they do that being in a state of inocience, like children, and not knowing how? "And now, behold, if Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen, but he would have remained in the garden of Eden. And all things which were created must have remained in the same state in which they were after they were created; and they must have remained forever, and had no end. And they would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin. But behold, all things have been done in the wisdom of him who knoweth all things. Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy." 2 Ne. 2:22-25 B.O.M. So basically the only way they could keep the first commandment was to transgress against the second commandment. If they kept the second commandment then they where not fulfilling the first commandment of having children. "And to bring about his eternal purposes in the end of man, after he had created our first parents, and the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and in fine, all things which are created, it must needs be that there was an opposition; even the forbidden fruit in opposition to the tree of life; the one being sweet and the other bitter. Wherefore, the Lord God gave unto man that he should act for himself. Wherefore, man could not act for himself save it should be that he was enticed by the one or the other." 2 Ne. 2:15-16 B.O.M. There had to be this oposition for there to be free will or agency. In my opinion I believe Heavenly Father new eventually Adam and Eve would pertake of the fruit and die not only physically but also spiritually by being cut off from his presence. We dont know how long Adam and Eve where in the garden it could have been hundreds of years or thousands before they took of the fruit. The great news of this experience is that we have been redeemed from the fall through the atonment of Jesus Christ, and even though we might die physically we will live again and be resurrected because of the resurrection of Christ.