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Oh, I completely agree on this point, but I do believe that it has to be context-appropriate. As an anecdote, one user posted something so grammatically incorrect that it was pretty much gibberish. As a reply, another user accurately described that comment as retarded. And out of nowhere, some woman came in the middle of this and decided to give a lecture on respect blablablabla. Ostracism is one of many tools, imo. I think the other way to do it is simply to "legalize" and encourage shaming. Imo, if it's even possible for a man to be offended by words, I immediately place him in the woman category. Indeed, "no you're wrong" is neither an argument or useful, but that seems to have escaped some. May I suggest a recorded discord? This way, we can even put them up on youtube, and - as an added benefit - discuss the issues that Stefan dare not delve in.

I think it is because there is too much estrogen running unrestricted. I see a lot of conversations devolve into either virtue signaling, concern-trolling, or being offended at facts. I don't know which of those 3 are more gay, but it's a pretty good sign that the user doesn't belong to a forum that deals with "sensitive" topics. If we can filter out excessively feminine users, we can seriously increase the ratio of arguments made relative to nagging. Not to mention, it would completely remove the need for the admin approval process.

@mmillerj If you're white, I would recommend that you move to a low-IQ country and impregnate their women. In doing so, you will accomplish 3 things: 1. you get tons of sex, and protect your people from white genocide 2. You will have a competitive advantage in the kinds of work that the locals do, since your IQ is still higher than theirs. That's serious income potential right there. 3. you bless the low-IQ peoples with your higher IQ genes

@Mishi2 Don't notice the pattern below.

In hindsight and following a private conversation with another member, I admittedly did not consider that it goes both ways. However, it seems to be more of an exception than the rule. Do you have more examples to disprove that? The very concept of "derogatory" is so gay to me that anyone who claims to be offended, I immediately consider that person to be a woman. Thankfully, it doesn't seem to be the case with you. Ideology is all we have? What does that mean? Are you denying the existence of genetically predisposed behaviors? As for paganism, I never said that it was like Paganism, and I'll take responsibility for mis-phrasing that as another member misunderstood what I meant, as well. What I meant to say is that under Paganism, we also found excuses to avoid degenerate R-selected behaviors. As for inviting aliens, don't mistake my people for our ((( government ))). We did not consent to this madness, by the very definition of what a government is. But yes, those of us raised in our ((( education system ))) - mainly by women - have grown to be cucky Israel shills who support open borders only for whites. So we do have some whites to blame there, but to claim that whites woke up one morning and went self-genocidal is ludicrous, especially in the absence of evidence supporting that claim. Slavs are Aryans btw. In any case, what are we doing? Have you been off the grid for the past 2 years? Off the top of my head: street patrol, blocking the dindu ships, political parties, media war, education, founding sovereign territories, social ostracism, and economic / professional ostracism. As for Aryan involvement, I assure you that there will be grave punishment for these traitors. But don't forget that ((( he ))) who pays the bills, plays the tune. We won't forget that this time. Also, if the Just War Doctrine is what you operate by then I guess I misunderstood what you were saying. Gladly. Calling yourself a Christian doesn't make you Christian; you also have to act like one. In fact, I would say that acting like one is sufficient enough, but for our purposes let's go with acting Christian and self-denominating. By that standard, the higher the crime rate, the less Christian it is, by definition. If your theory is correct, South America who is more devoutly Christian should have a lower crime rate, but that is not at all the case. White countries, who are becoming increasingly secular, still have the lowest crime rates. This also goes against your claim. EDIT: As for being called a racist, wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep.

So Jesus is better than pagan gods because he's more popular, but we shouldn't buck the tide because he's just as good... Your argument not only contradicts itself (is he just as good or better?) but you still haven't justified why he's better to begin with. That matters because if he is truly just as good then I would concede that it is pointless to buck the tide. However, it seems to me that Jesus and Odin / Zeus are complimentary archetypes. While Jesus brings virtue and is UPB-ish, Odin / Zeus give us the existence of our race via wisdom and strength of men. Not only are those 2 qualities necessary to build and protect women and children, they also keep the men masculine and attractive to women which encourages procreation. Christianity has utterly failed in this regard. I'm all for preaching Jesus, but there can be no virtue without existence. Dude. He was a magic Jew -_- Let's be honest, he is just as much a superhuman as Achilles. As for the rationality, yes I agree as I mentioned above. But I also see Christianity lacking in regards to not being dead. Rationality depends on our existence, especially considering that we were the ones to interpret the Bible in the way that it is interpreted today, and we were the ones to spread Christianity in this form. Do you really think a dindu would have rationalized away cutting off a woman's hands should she require to grab another man's genitalia in order to save his life? (Deuteronomy i think).

@Donnadogsoth First of all, when there is a will there is a way. Thus, I don't see how lack of popularity is a good argument against the pagan gods. As for the virtues of Jesus, the pagan gods were full of virtue as well and also have similar prophecies. A + for Jesus does not necessarily imply a - for the pagan gods. So far, if you are to keep a "virtue score" based on what you have listed, it seems like a tie to me.

To clarify, I'm not claiming its better. I'm claiming that I can't assume it was worse just because you said so, but I'm willing to hear your argument as to why Jesus is the better archetype.

It's not a lie if you see it as an archetype, as opposed to a god.

But you don't accept the existence of Pagan gods, so how can you have a standard for them? I agree, but you missed the point I was making. If warmongering makes society less of a civilization, then that standard should apply to both Nords and Romans. They are either both civilization or neither, by that standard. Your first point relates to what a God ought to be. How do you justify this? As for your second point, I still fail to see any hypocrisy. Your argument is like calling Kryptonite a hypocrite because it hurts aliens but not humans. 2 species, 2 standards. 0 hypocrisy. No, my point is that those values we now consider to be Christian are inherently genetic for us. Religion is how we rationalize our tendencies, not the other way around. An example of this I mentioned in a previous post, of how some people view the Bible as communist hippie gumbaya and some view it as guidelines for virtue. They interpret it the way they do as a result of their genetic predisposition (R-K in this case). A perfect example of this is the Bible quote "He who does not work, shall not eat". ((( Lenin ))) used it to justify communism, whereas the Almighty Grand Aryan /John Smith/ used it to abolish communism in Jamestown. Well, I agree with your point on honesty, but I'm not advocating lying. Odin as an archetype is perfectly honest, imo. We're calling it an archetype and not a god. As for your point on inspiration, I'm not so sure. Pagans believed that the gods were heavily involved in day to day life, and that it was very possible to be either blessed by a god and even to create demi-gods both capable of superhuman feats. I'm more familiar with Greeks and Romans as I am partly Greek / Italian, and off the top of my head I can think of Achilles, Herakles, Alexander, Odysseus, etc. I can definitely see how it would feel inspiring to achieve greatness if you were convinced that you were a demi-god.

No, I have met many types of christians. Have you ever made a chino live with a dindu? They might think the same concepts, sure. But dindus act dindu, and chinos act chino. I have yet to see a religion / culture change the ways of people, but I have always seen the ways of people change religion and culture. I expect nothing more from a mongrel. Ideology is the best you got. Thankfully, we have a deeper more grounded connection than something as superficial as mere thoughts. Aryans made Christianity what it is. You take away Christianity, we'll always find an excuse to have those same values. Thanks to Stef, our next excuse may very well be philosophy itself. Prior to Christianity, we had the Pagan religions, of which we still have the same traditions and celebrations in their respective Christian forms. You may have noticed that so many dindus are Christian and yet degeneracy is rampant among them. There is no way they can be among my people no matter how Christian they are. You can preach all the Christianity you want, but at the end of the day, you are not only ready to murder people, but you are also willing to let my people die if we disagree with you on religion. Which reinforces my point on Jews and mongrels. After all that Muh-Jesus, you act in perfect accordance with your genes. Shocker! False equivalence. Christianity is a religion of mostly whites by whites for whites. Low crime? Shocker! Said the Jews, every other time. Until they were booted, every other time. You may have noticed that we are waking up to Jewry. I would recommend that Jews grab their shekels and run off to Israel. The goyim know.

better for Europe, yes. Aryans did speak PIE but that article claims that the word Aryan has only been used for 2 centuries when there are nations, classes, and Gods who have gone under that banner for thousands of years. And Northern mongoloids, due to IQ. Yes. Yes and yes. There is no universal church. Every permutation of christianity has been adopted while christianizing already existing values and traditions. Each race interprets the bible different, and differ in core values. E.g Muh- "Jesus was a communist hippie" vs "Thou shalt not steal" I know you can understand the concept of racial loyalty, but I don't think you will ever feel it. You have absolutely no skin in this game. That is why we consider it immoral to race-mix. It creates issues for mongrel children, as they can't possibly be loyal to a race. Being loyal to one race is disloyalty to the other. Loyalty to both is loyalty to neither. Loyalty to everyone is loyalty to no one. How can we possibly leave racial baggage at the door, when there are genetic differences? I don't want by children among low-IQ high testosterone dindus and risk getting raped or killed, while they're the supposedly the victims of racism because they "dindu nuffin". I don't want my children exposed to low-IQ Allah snackbars who whipe their a-holes in public fountains (without soap) and immediately proceed to wipe their face with the same hand (yes, this happened). I don't want my children ostracized by genetically comformist chinos. And over my dead body, will I let my children be exposed to Jewish media with their normalization of disgusting degenerate behaviors. Let me ask you a question, do you expect only Aryans to be degenerate trash or is this something you expect of Jews, dindus, brownies, etc.?

How do you know? It could be that you might run into the problem that real people present achievable goals. What do you do when you actually achieve those goals? At least with a deity, the goal is an impossible ideal. It creates a situation of continuous self-improvement, because no matter how much you accomplish, you have to keep accomplishing. It's not a surprise that Aryans would believe in such deities as role models. After all, they were the explorers, the builders, and the conquerors.

Perfect example of Jewish propaganda. That is exactly one of the things I think of when I refer to as Jewish subversion; it's an attempt to convince us that there is no such thing as the Aryans. Aryan has always meant "excellent" and was a racial designation as early as the 7500 BC (more in-depth explanation here). Since the Nazis, Aryans have referred to themselves with the geographic term "Indo-European" out of fear of being labelled an -ist or -obe. No, it means you may not live among my people. And you should be grateful for that, can you imagine how horrible it would be for me to bring my Aryan ways among your folk? I would never fit in, and I would only make your kind feel uncomfortable, and I would feel unwelcome and an outsider (and rightfully so). No proximity, no hard feelings.

Which brings to the fundamental assumption of your argument: "gods=champions of religion". Why does this christian view of deity apply to Pagan gods? Same goes for the expansionist Romans. They were warmongers. Does that mean they were not a true civilization? Also, the Nords were actually the first international tradesmen. I know that they even used the Silk Road, but if memory serves me right, I think they were the first ones to use it (but don't quote me on that one). I got that from a David Friedman interview, and according to him, the Vikings - 100 years after they became a thing - were the closest thing to a ruler-less society as we've ever had. Although he is a ((( Friedman ))) so admittedly I may have been Jewed into believing this, I need to revisit this and come back to you. How do you justify applying a Christian standard to Pagan gods? Why would a god subjugate himself to human standards? One could argue that if Jehovah's standards apply to Jehovah then why call himself a god? The Pagan genesis is a (now discredited) account of history. The Pagan values that humans must abide by are pretty much the good 'ole christian ones. I think the problem here is that you fail to take into account that Christians have a completely different conception of God. Pagan gods were neither omnipotent, omniscient, or omnipresent; they certainly were not creators. They were more like imperfect super-humans, and Giants were their larger superiors. Titans were actually more god-like than the gods by those standards, as they actually created stuff (e.g. Kronos created time) The Pagan genesis is the claim that the physically weaker Gods, overpowered the Titans and Giants through sheer wits and gained control. Strength and wisdom as a role model was the point, as opposed to a set of rules to follow. That's what I'm on board with. I'm not on board with behaving like hedonic gods.

For the same reason that Africans get to behave like monkeys without consequence, but Aryans don't. 2 races, 2 standards. Also for the same reason that men get to behave like men, but women cannot. 2 genitalia, 2 standards. Gods get to live hedonically, not humans. If a human were to do so, they would be ostracized by their fellow tribesmen. If 2 standards were applied to people of the same group, then a case for hypocrisy can be made. But humans are not gods. Human standards for humans, god standards for gods. I fail to see any hypocrisy here. Yup. If the anti-degenerate behavior of the Nordsmen was so notable to the highly K-selected Romans, that it was noteworthy enough to pen (and ink was very expensive back then), you can bet that the Nordsmen were quite K-selected indeed. Otherwise, the reaction would have been "meh... not impressed. We can do better." EDIT: Not just Vikings (Nords), but also the Saxons who worshipped Wotan / Wodan which is basically Odin in old Germanic. I am pro-Odin or pro-Zeus as a wise and strong archetype to look up to. But context is important, they were gods. We humans cannot see ourselves as their equals, as we cannot engage in hedonic behaviors without consequence.

Same can be said of having 2 behavioral standards depending on divinity status. It inherently implies that there is fault with a commoner engaging in hedonism, and therefore it is by the commoner standard that Aryans have comported themselves. Then how do you explain the fact that the Northern Aryans who were even more radically Pagan were more anti-promiscuous and K-selected than the Southerners? EDIT: The Roman Empire adopted Mithraism before Christianity, which pretty much preaches the New Testament. Mithraism is a spinoff of Zoroastrianism. Don't you think it is more likely that Jesus created his ideology based on Pagan values?

why is it not hypocritical for Christians to re-testify away degeneracy? Does it not make sense for pagans to have different behavioral standards when there are clearly the divine and the commoner?

Lots of degeneracy in the Old Testament. The degeneracy was explained away via God's re-testifying in the New Testament. Wouldn't you say that the whole "degeneracy is not for commoners" argument achieves the same purpose? See my first argument above. Venus and Mars are divine. Thank you for the knowledge bomb, I stand corrected

European. Aryan to be genetically specific. I think Islam is the greatest threat in the short term. Jews in the longer term. The Ashkenazi are a cross between Slav and Sephardi. They have artificially created an ethnicity for themselves, as every Ashkenazi can trace their heritage to only 4 Slavic women (due to cousin-f***ing). This is why we associate the typical Jew-look with Jews. Big nose, ears, wide lips, dark hair, curly hair, etc. Matter of fact, they openly consider themselves as a separate ethnicity (the Talmud was written about 200 years after Christ), which is where the term "atheist Jew" comes from. They are not pure Europeans and it matters a lot because Jews do not breed the same way Aryans breed: - The most re-productively successful Jews have been the rabbi, which required high verbal ability (which is why they score highly in IQ tests, despite their mediocre reasoning skills). - The most re-productively successful Jewish tribes were those who successfully subverted the local culture and males. Combine those 2 facts with many generations of selecting for those exact traits and you end up with an ethnicity that is genetically predisposed to engage in those behaviors. 1) look Aryan 2) act Aryan 3) identify with Aryans 4) be a net positive to Aryans

@Siegfried von Walheim degeneracy is present in every religion. There's got to be some way to explain human genesis, after all. In pretty much every religion I can think of, it is usually explained away as "oh, it was ok because they were divine, but you commoners can't do those things". The teachings of the top Pagan God was always strength and wisdom. They never promoted degenerate behavior. In fact, Julius Caesar duly noted that the northern hordes shamed and ostracized promiscuous behavior. EDIT: Aristotle, Augustus Caesar, and Kaiser Barbarossa were Pagans were they not?

for some reason, I didn't answer that question. I agree with the values, but Jordan Peterson has also persuaded me that archetypes (an ideal figure / role model to look up to) goes a long way. For Europeans, the wise but strong leader (Odin / Zeus) held the top spot leading up to the heyday of every empire. I think that's the way to go in terms of archetype.

I don't believe in purity spiraling. In my book, if it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's a duck. I would want 100% of permanent residents to fit that standard. I don't have a minimum IQ standard, because when left to our own devices Aryans breed eugenically either way. I also wouldn't impose religions, let the free market of ideas take its course (which includes hate speech and exposing the Jews). My point is that you can't have a free society if your society is dead. Once our existence is secured, we can privatize and transfer more responsibilities to private citizens. But this idea, that we're going to achieve that by removing government overnight is ludicrous. People openly want us dead. Take the red pill, goyim. Well I don't actually see anyone as enemies. I simply see them as acting in accordance with their genes. I simply thing that we get to defend ourselves. Physical confrontations have occurred among our brothers' just as much as with non-Aryans. That could not take us down. What really hurt us was the information wars waged by the Jews. So many times in history, they offered artistic creations to young children while casually portraying degenerate behavior (faggotry, lesbianism, polyamory, adultery, incest, etc.) as if it had always been the norm. Oh, you see the reason you don't understand this art is because it's an "acquired taste". This art is "modern". Come along goyim, we will guide you toward the light of "progress". Oh, but wait! Did you call out this art as an attempt at subversion? You're an -ist or -obe! Oh, but wait! Did you name the Jew? Anti-semite! This is outright fraud. They fraudulently sold us a poison pill, and naive youngsters swallowed. Baby boomers? Hmmm... You might think that it is just a Jewish ((( coincidence ))) of modern times. But their names ((( echo ))) throughout history. Just look at all the countries that kicked them out. Yes... I'm sure they all just woke up anti-Semitic one morning -_- Reality check: they took their everything straight from the ((( The Frankfurt school ))). Same goes for the mostly Jewish Soviet government. Due to this information war, young boys - the future protectors and builders of society - have grown to become weak, defenseless, and useless men. As the saying goes, "14 is the goal. 88 is the way". Fash the nation. Uncuck the right. Then, you wanna talk freedom when you're not dead? Ok, then we'll listen. Until then, sperging about AnCap is pointless. Name the Jew. Check out How a Jew Became a Nazi by Jews for Hitler. In fact, there is a theory in our circles that Stefan is more Alt Right than he lets on (aka, "hiding your power-level"). Watch Stefan call out the Jewry of Israel's border policy. Half what? Do you pass as white?

RACE WAR. Our fash level will be over 9000. In my ideal world we all get to live. But every race is doing everything to lower our birth rates. Their openly stated goal is the impregnation of Aryan women. Supposedly, we must welcome this and "this is a good thing". According to the NAP, we get to fight back. First, we go fash, and kick out the non-whites, lesbians, MudSlimes, etc and secure the shit out of our borders, and ensure the existence of our race and a future for our children. Once that is done, we can work towards freedom again. I would like to think that when we kick them out, they will leave us alone. But I think we all know that they will attack us, and we will be ready for them. Personally, I don't think they will ever stop until they are fully subjugated. Kinda like when a cop puts a drunk under arrest.