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I remember listening to a call about social anxiety (first call). If my memory serves me right, at some point Stefan affirmed that "people with good childhoods do not have empathy for people who had bad childhoods" (and as a result developed social anxiety). It is very likely that I am paraphrasing and that this were not exactly his words but I am really confident that he said at least something very similar to this. I remember wondering at that time "well, if they had good childhoods how come they are not empathetic? Is not empathy something that develops naturally as a result of good parenting?!" I know that the word "good" is very broad and vague and does not provide enough context but knowing that Stefan is really precise with his language and does not sugar coat things at all on this matters I would have a hard time believing that when he said "good" he really meant what most society would call "good", which is in fact dysfunctional/abusive. And such...why I am not seeing here?

Hey all! I am shy. I have made a HUGE effort to overcome this, but I see some of the same painful childhood themes reoccurring in my kid's lives. Honestly, these things make me want to become a sopping mess of tears on the floor and never allow them to socialize again (I know what direction I should go in in therapy, lol). Does anyone have advice on helping my children develop better social skills when this is something I too struggle with? I am finding it nearly impossible to just offer practical advice when this topic is sooo fraught with emotion for me. A few things I've noticed: So, in groups, there is always the alpha. Some people either like being betas, or don't notice. Ive always noticed, and would feel like it was a huge blow to my pride to be one of the betas begging for scraps of attention from the alpha, and preferred to play alone; but then felt lonely. I noticed this with my daughter, 6, at girl scouts yesterday. In addition, we are "city people" who now live in a pretty insular, rural community. Friendships here were established in infancy, apparently, and its pretty hard to break in. There are exceptions, of course, but as a whole, I feel only mixed success when trying to socialize. This might be a bit rambling, but if anyone has any suggestions, even just general ones as to how to take yourself out of your child's experiences in triggering events, I would really appreciate it!! thanks!

Hey guys, one more freedom lover from the southern tax farm of Brazil/São Paulo here. I figured from the meetup groups (or lack thereof) that there aren't many philosophers who share the green and yellow pride to be born inside these meltingly hot imaginary lines of nice asses and great food... I have been listening to FDR for about 8 months. The first time i've ever listened to Stefan was in November of 2013 from then on i have just fallen in love with philosophy and the pursuit of virtue in my own life instead of talking about the fed on dinners with people who abused me as a child. It was incredible to realise the numbness to my own experience of verbal and phisical abuse that was branded on my soul and the how it has affected me both psychologically and medically (I was diagnosed with ADHD, Social Fobia and became obese due to trying to leave my reality through food) even before and right after i was born, since my father smoked like a chimney around me and my pregnant mother (probable reason for my ADHD) and my mom refusing to breastfeed me after 4 months of age because, in her own words, "i had other things to do" even though she was a "stay at home Stalin" as i like to describe. And with FDR i could break free emotionally of the vampire gang i once called "family" and definately will break the cicle of violence on regards to my future companion and children for that i am immensely thankful for Stefan, the FDR crew and everyone who made FDR possible. Even though i cannot contribute in a financial way due to me being a student and to the fact that the total sum of the BR currency is worth about 10g of used toilet paper, i try to bring as many people as possible to the show on the internet as a hole. I am also interested in Veganism, Computer Science, Software development and entrepreneurship. I believe that's it for my introduction to this great community, i believe it's going to be an awesome experience to be a part of this incredible conversation.

My life has been shaped largely by social anxiety and the resulting behavior habits that have resulted. I have found the podcasts on this topic useful in sorting out this problem for me, but I was thinking it might be useful for others to have a compilation list of all of these shows. I know it is a huge problem with people drawn to these ideas, and it is something that will hold back these ideas. Some may need to be cropped from larger call in shows. I think I will edit this original post with the list. Add known episodes. Include times if known of relavant conversations.

So I was listening to the most recent Sunday show on youtube and the topic of social anxiety came up, a very very very important issue in my life. But once again (several other of Stef shows on the subject feel the same) I felt the conversation didn't really apply to me. Right now I just feel I need to write down my thoughts, sort of a stream of consciousness, because I am literally pacing around my room thinking this stuff because these ideas need to be out of my head so badly. Not to mention I am running short on time and am desperate. I would journal this, but I journal when I don't want an audience. I would call in during the next show, but I am also unsure of having Stef (and the youtube listeners) being my audience, and I hate my voice, and I wouldn't know what to say, writing is simply much easier for me.My parents were huge achievers. They started low and worked hard and got to the top. I cannot figure out the source of my social anxiety. But its bad. And it is making my life worse by the day. I left college as a result of depression (http://board.freedomainradio.com/topic/33822-what-the-hell-am-i-doing-ramble-ramble-ramble/) that was very much aided by hopelessness surrounding social anxiety (for example I went to a job fair and after a conversation with one representative (full of stuttering and awkwardness, and when he asked "do you have any questions about the company" I just stood there for a few moments and then said "no") I felt the usual intense fear and terror and I had to rush back to my dorm and sit down and try to calm down for about an hour. I didn't go back.). The age of the article I linked to above kind of tells you how little progress I am making in my own life. I am 21 and have barely changed in my mental state from when I was 18.I've been sitting in the basement for more than a month procrastinating on a business idea my mom came up with for me (I sure as hell can't seem to figure anything out for myself, and by that I mean I don't want to because I feel very scared) to fix people's computers around town, and she's just about to kick me out I'm doing so little. I can't blame her for that. My fear of social interaction just gives me this hopelessness, I see everybody else out succeeding and I am stuck because I can't talk to people, I don't know how and even if I did, I'd be too scared to do so. I (awkardly) talked business with somebody a few weeks ago and again I had to cool down afterwards except that time I kept thinking about all the stupid things I did in the conversation, and about ways to hang myself, but the suicidal ideation is such a regular thing for me I just see it as a routine to not be taken very seriously, a "silent cry for attention" if you will. (I'll talk about it online but in real life I have decided I will either do it or not, I will not "fail." I've already got enough failure on my plate.)I don't know. Some people, and some topics, I can talk easily, somewhat relaxed. Though even with my own parents I have extreme trouble with eye contact. Even with myself in the mirror I have trouble with eye contact. I just start to feel terrified. I think part of it is self-esteem, I hate how I look, so I am imagining how they see me. I don't know. I mean, I am obsessed with fitness, always lifting weights and running and weighing myself daily and watching my diet for years I've been doing this but I always drop back to being weak and fatter every time I have heavier depressive "episodes." I imagine this obsession relates to the self-esteem thing.Peoples eyes, the moment I see them and recognize they are looking at my face, they terrify me. Absolute terror. I don't know how else to describe it.I remember after the Zeitgeist Response video where Stef talked about the RBE folks' need for resources without dealing with realities of the adult world, and I really felt chills there because I realized I TOTALLY want that, but I also recognize economic realities, and that just makes me feel worse. And then I feel even more shame than that because I have WAY more opportunities than 90 percent of the people in this world, from the country I am in to the personal economic stability I was born into. I can't even comfort myself with ideas of socialism. And I think the reason I want that so badly is because I am so scared, and I am so scared because of the people. And the eyes.More recently I have thought maybe its caused by narcissism. Maybe the reason I can't look at myself in the mirror is because I am looking at myself like a 3rd party would, and I don't like what I see, because I want to be this character, this "imaginary self" that is better than the real me. The star in a movie where everybody else is a supporting character, and I'm just scared of realizing how untrue that is.Or maybe its just school, I remember being terrified when we had to recite poetry in front of the class. I remember being yelled at or hushed whenever I spoke in class. Though after about 3rd grade I had become the "good student" who never spoke unless he knew he was absolutely permitted to, and even then not always. All us quiet ones ended up being a group of friends. But they all got over it. They're all open and loud and partying and happy and excited for life.All this creates this enormous envy in me. All the people I know and knew as a child are just so much better than me, they adapt and they learn and they speak and they smile and they actually have real feeling behind the smile when they talk to people and I just wish I could be like that but no matter how much I consciously try to realize how irrational this all is it still happens anyways, I still feel terrified, and I sweat, and shake, and hate myself.God I want to work. I don't think I have ever really provided any real value to anybody. Every time I was ever paid it always felt like a donation. I want to be of value to somebody, to provide something worth paying for. I hate feeling this worthless. I hate being dependent. Being a leech. But then the talking thing becomes a requirement and I shrink down again. Its why I left college. I realized all the education in the world doesn't matter if you can't handle a job interview. And in my high school during a practice interview I could barely handle it. It wasn't even for an actual job and I couldn't answer the questions and my voice was shaking and I didn't make eye contact and that was actually her main criticism: "don't be so nervous." Helpful, thanks.I know I know: I need a therapist. But all the reviews in my area seem to show that all of them are the "15 minutes of talking, 2 minutes of prescription writing" sort of therapists. Not to mention that level of courage I just don't have, trying to arrange such a thing.Sometimes I think there is just some random chemical imbalance, and all these problems would go away with one pill that I just haven't tried before. I really, really hope thats true, but I am highly doubtful. I can tell you one thing with confidence, if there was nobody that would be hurt by my sudden non-existence, I would do it right now. That is shame, not guilt, and once I figured out the difference I realized how narcissistic these thoughts are.On a note that may or may not be related, I don't actually know for sure, I sometimes have fantasies of getting in fights and losing bad, getting beaten to a pulp, vomiting, rolling in my own blood. Begging for the fight to keep going. Wanting it. Like I want to be destroyed or something. I enjoy those fantasies a lot, and I'm still working out why I like them so much. All this psychologising has got me making connections regardless of whether real connections exist. I don't know. Its probably something something narcissism.Sometimes I think maybe this entire post I just wrote is to create a character I want you to see me as, but its so subtle I don't even fully comprehend that I am trying to convince you I am a certain character. "Look at me, look at how broken I am! Look at how much help you should give me! Me! Me! Me!" I hate that I feel anger and fear at the idea that my suffering is - in a way - fake, even if its true. Layers and layers and layers.I am not even going to ask a question at the end here, because there is no singular question I can put, this whole fucking post is a giant question I think. Not sure if an answer exists. Doesn't feel like it most of the time. Then maybe I am just scared of the answers. No, I am certain I am scared of the answers.There is a distinct possibility this post could be connected to my real identity, which also scares me. But whatever, got to give up on your image at some point (Brain: "You're supposed to be strong dammit! People will look down at you if they knew this! It will be pity and mockery all around!")I still haven't fundamentally figured out how to say hi to people, really.

So basically I have social anxiety and ADHD, and this has hindered me for a while at getting a job. I was able to land a job at a call in center recently, but frankly I find this kind of job very stressful and anxiety provoking, just the constant being yelled at and so on. I also did not pay 100% attention during the training and for that reason I am sort of fumbling around my systems and asking for help a lot. I'm wondering if it's worth it, or a good idea to put myself in a job like this. I've heard stef talk about how doing such a thing could be kind of unhealthy for someone who's been through a lot of emotional abuse, which I have. I don't know, what do you guys think ? Part of me thinks I should take the money that I have now and use it to move somewhere where I can find a better job. What do you guys think ?