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In a recent podcast, Stefan asked the question: With the assertion that he would rather talk to Christians about morality because there are a lot of leftist determinist atheists out there that you cannot talk morality to. Besides being a false dichotomy, since I would only rather talk morality with people who derive it from logic, universals, and reasoned arguments, how can one even talk to a Christian about morality? Morality is one of the major things Christianity should automatically disqualify you from a philosophical discussion of over. While there are a lot of things that I will talk to Christians about, such as politics, economics, physics, personal issues, etc., morality is one thing I would rather not talk to Christians about. This is because Christians derive their morality from an all powerful god who blackmails them into either blindly accepting for an eternity in paradise or rejecting for an eternity in hell. In other words, Christian ethics are derived from a lie. They have short-circuited the need to prove anything about their morality, except for whether or not they know what god wants and can speak for it. How can you have a talk about morality with someone who's ethical premise is "god says so". Here is a moral gem from a Christian demonstrating his great ability to have moral conversations: And here is some actual truth about morality, from an atheist: So, can we create the possibly of moral choice through lies about ethics?