Marco Posted January 15, 2013 Posted January 15, 2013 Well, not quite []. I once looked at his Wikipedia page and it said there that he was a member of the Church of Satan (which is only sort of true). Well, I checked out the Church of Satan and became a Satanist. (Am I still a Satanist? I haven't read the book in a while so I'm not sure and I don't really care.) Satanism was apparently influenced by Ayn Rand, so I checked her out and liked her politics. As I delved deeper into libertarianism, I discovered Freedomain Radio and listened to a bunch of podcasts (250 in about 5 months, now where is my medal!?). Well and Stef brought forth some really good arguments for voluntaryanism and pacifism, so I couldn't resist. Funny, how these things go, right? My hobby is delving into one philosophy until I know it really well, and then move on to the next []. Sometimes I integrate some ideas into my life, if they make sense.
Brandon Buck _BB_ Posted January 15, 2013 Posted January 15, 2013 Welcome to the forum. Stef is not a pacifist and doesn't agitate for pacifism. Perhaps speed isn't the best method of consuming information?
Marco Posted January 16, 2013 Author Posted January 16, 2013 Thanks! ^^ Well, I meant pacifism as being against war. That is, as wiktionary says: The doctrine that disputes (especially between countries) should be settled without recourse to violence The active opposition to such violence, especially the refusal to take part in military action As I understand it, that's what he is arguing for, isn't it? As I see it, self-defense is not excluded. I personally are in favor of self-defense. So correct me if I'm wrong; I don't know if you are using a different definition. I know full well I have some integration and testing to do at that speed.
Victor Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 I'd like to advocate strongly for self defense. If you do, this would leave to the end of war, as war invariantly begins by the unilateral unimpeded violence upon the taxed population to fund international aggression.
Brandon Buck _BB_ Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 Pacifists reject violence, even in self defense.
Marco Posted January 16, 2013 Author Posted January 16, 2013 Oh, OK. Then we actually agree and Wiktionary is not reflecting the commonly accepted definition in this instance. Now that I check Wikipedia I find, "even to the point of allowing self-harm rather than a resort to violent resistance" - now that is just masochistic... Thanks for clearing that up for me!
tasmlab Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 Pacifists reject violence, even in self defense. I think if we need to be so nit-picky about the definition of 'pacifist' that it only means the non-existent, Jainist type being who will not even use violence to resist being hurt personally, than we need a new, useful term for what Marco described i.e., the war-is-bad beleif. Perhaps there is a term already?
Brandon Buck _BB_ Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 What's wrong with pacifist and voluntarist? Or, philosophical libertarian (as opposed to political libertarian)? Or anarcho capitalist? I think we have enough words. We just need to use them properly. []
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