Sabras Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Some of you may have read my previous topic where I have described my current career situation. https://board.freedomainradio.com/topic/45179-im-a-police-officerhelp/?hl=%2Bpolice+%2Bofficer I have been thinking for a long time about this and I am now proud to announce that I have decided to liberate my consciousness from the moral implications of being a Police Officer. Yes - I am quitting. Undoubtedly, this will have a huge impact on my life. I have a degree in Criminology which I have chosen for the very purpose of being able to advance through the ranks quicker, which of course now becomes useless. Also, having to pay off around £30000 for that degree and not having a very clear idea where to go from here isn't very motivating to say the least . I need a new job, that's for sure. Any advice on possible career paths is highly appreciated! The bottom line is - whatever happens, I will not regret my decision . 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Mister Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 good for you man, I know that must be a hard decision to make. can I ask what it was that made the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabras Posted October 19, 2015 Author Share Posted October 19, 2015 I realised that it does not matter whether I will attempt to "change the police force" or get assigned to a specialist unit which would deal with more serious stuff like homicide. At the end of the day my salary will come from theft. I cannot live with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsayers Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Sorry I missed your initial thread. having to pay off around £30000 for that degree and not having a very clear idea where to go from here isn't very motivating to say the least . It might have been a better move to have the next step lined up first. But I don't know your situation and you definitely have to follow your own conscience. For what it's worth, I'm a private investigator myself, so I can tell you with reasonable certainty that I think your degree will find you work pretty easily. You might not be in a position to start your own firm yet, but at least you won't be getting paid with stolen monies It's also nice knowing that if I get into a situation where I do have to use force, that I'm doing so with authority of the property owner, who can actually transfer that right to me. When I was reading Larken Rose's book The Most Dangerous Superstition, it was an easy read since I already got most of what it was about. However, one of the most interesting parts of the book to me was when he talks about how the belief in moral superiority can turn people who do things like become a cop just for the paycheck can be poisoned by the rhetoric. How the excuse that police abuse is an isolated incident doesn't stand up because group think leads to otherwise/previously peaceful people into seeing others as enemies instead of humans. Good for you for being able to stand up against it. You know what the best part is? The human race could have freedom that much sooner and that much easier if the enforcer class simply told the rulers, "No, I reject the proposition that I could exist in a different, opposing moral category." Here you've done just that! I think that "hero" is a mythical term, but this decision of yours is definitely heroic. I hope the time you had to talk to your co-workers about this helps the message to grow. And I hope others find your story and choose to follow suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st434u Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Do whatever is best for you and your own sanity and wellbeing. But don't imagine for a moment that that money won't get stolen just because you quit, or that someone who would do a lot more harm wouldn't get that position instead of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Green Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 What about insurance fraud investigation? Private investigator? Regardless, this made me very happy reading this this morning. I wish I could give you better advice than two off-the-cuff answers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCali Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Very good! That's something to be proud of. Hope everything goes well from here on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torero Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 A degree in Criminology and then "just" a cop? Why say your education is worthless? You've got all freedom to apply your learnings! Private detective sounds good, right?! Well done, brave decision and hopefully an example for too many governmental useful idiots. Take care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gee Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Bold move Sabras.If your thinking you want to use your skills consider giving Churchill a call. (I've had positive experiences with them).http://www.churchillrecruitment.com/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabras Posted October 19, 2015 Author Share Posted October 19, 2015 Thank you all for kind words and advice, I appreciate it. I agree it's a bold move, however I value morality more than I value my pay check. When it comes to my degree, it mostly opens up career paths in governmental institutions, probation officer, police officer, prison guard. I will look into private investigator/private security. I was also considering applying for course in mathematics which could perhaps open some path in a financial world. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabras Posted October 19, 2015 Author Share Posted October 19, 2015 What about insurance fraud investigation? Private investigator? Regardless, this made me very happy reading this this morning. I wish I could give you better advice than two off-the-cuff answers. The thing is that in the UK such careers as Fraud Investigator requires certain skills usually acquired by working in the police force, I haven't worked in fraud unit, I don't think I'm eligible. Private Investigator is something I'm looking into, however there is a large amount of training and governmental licences required in order to become a Private Investigator. I'm willing to spend quite a bit of money in order to open up a new career path - It's inevitable if I want to have a good career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gee Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 You might consider graduate+ level entry into compliance and operations, brush up on statistics and programming and pick up a private course from Wicklander - Zulawiski. Compliance and operations = decent starting wage and industry and domain specific knowledge. Statistics and programming = analytics for uncovering dishonesty. Wicklander - Zulawiski = none confrontation interview and interrogation techniques. Couple that with a bit of management training on the job and a mentor and your good to go! Also, you do not need SIA credentials and licences if your employed by a business to operate within the business, only for external agencies offering services. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabras Posted October 20, 2015 Author Share Posted October 20, 2015 Thanks Graham, I'll look into it, I appreciate it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Major respect for sticking to your principles at great sacrifice for yourself. Just be careful being too self sacrificing since in many cases these positions are just filled by someone else and the cycle of violence continues anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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