Depressed no more

[JPKeele]

Hi every one and thank you for adding me to the community. I'll start off on how I found FDR.

 

About 2 months ago I started questioning everything thing around me more, my family community etc..I understood the who what when where and how but couldn't grasp the Why? Well now that i have found FDR and mainly the r/K theory everything has come together answers are being made at a phenomenal amount. But that is not what led me here.

 

Stephen's Flat earth video brought me here. There is a hypocrisy in his line of thinking about it and that is Math. If math is true then the earth cannot be a ball, it can be round but not a ball. Here is the one undeniable truth about the earth not being a ball and everyone can check the facts themselves on this. The Suez canal is mathematically impossible on a ball earth. its 125 miles long and 75 Feet deep with no locks so either water is anti gravity or it is an illusion. The oceans and seas that are connected thru this system must all be at the same level other wise the curvature would not allow it. Side note the Roman aqueducts would not work on a ball earth either.

 

I would like to see more r/K mentions in future podcasts as that is a Huge key that unlocked my depression and anxiety. This theory to me is the underlying secret to freeing society.

 

I would love the opportunity to discuss many subjects either video or phone, text has always been a problem for me through my whole life. But now I'm improving at an alarming rate.

 

Thanks again JP 

[algernon]

Hey JP,

 

I heard that podcast too, and I was quite interested because I had seen some of the flat earth stuff previous to that, and at first glance I was sure it was just a parody website, but after the call I did about 3 hours worth of research, and no... a lot of people truly believe it. And a lot of the true believers were using it to prove their faith.

 

There is a few fundamental problems that has yet to be explained.

 

If the earth is shaped like a dinner plate, the north pole being the middle and Antarctica being the ice wall / ring on the perimeter, using the FE theory of light not traveling forever and that's why there is day/night on different sides of the plate, it would be impossible for Antarctica to ever have an Arctic summer (24 or near 24 hours of daylight). All of the articles I read and different explanations from people, explained a lot of things, and do you know what the explanation for that one was? Antarctica doesn't have an Arctic summer, it never has continual daylight and everyone that says it does is lying. And this comes up a lot in the FE theory.

 

Literally thousands and thousands of people, all lying or they were deceived and weren't really in Antarctica. The web cams in Antarctica? Faked.

 

Anything from anyone, stating observations or showing empirical evidence against the FE theory is in on the hoax, lying or deceived. This is the standard MO of everything I read: e.g. I send a weather balloon really high up and it doesn't show curvature - FE proof. I send a weather balloon high up and it shows curvature - in on the hoax, trying to fool everyone, shill, government agent, etc. etc. etc.

 

Can you please explain your Suez Canal issue in more detail? I'm not quite understanding what your point is.

[Will Torbald]

Hi every one and thank you for adding me to the community. I'll start off on how I found FDR.

 

About 2 months ago I started questioning everything thing around me more, my family community etc..I understood the who what when where and how but couldn't grasp the Why? Well now that i have found FDR and mainly the r/K theory everything has come together answers are being made at a phenomenal amount. But that is not what led me here.

 

Stephen's Flat earth video brought me here. There is a hypocrisy in his line of thinking about it and that is Math. If math is true then the earth cannot be a ball, it can be round but not a ball. Here is the one undeniable truth about the earth not being a ball and everyone can check the facts themselves on this. The Suez canal is mathematically impossible on a ball earth. its 125 miles long and 75 Feet deep with no locks so either water is anti gravity or it is an illusion. The oceans and seas that are connected thru this system must all be at the same level other wise the curvature would not allow it. Side note the Roman aqueducts would not work on a ball earth either.

 

I would like to see more r/K mentions in future podcasts as that is a Huge key that unlocked my depression and anxiety. This theory to me is the underlying secret to freeing society.

 

I would love the opportunity to discuss many subjects either video or phone, text has always been a problem for me through my whole life. But now I'm improving at an alarming rate.

 

Thanks again JP 

 

Welcome JP. About the round Earth, yes, it is true that the Earth is not a perfect sphere. However, that is not the scientific theory, as the Earth is described as an oblate spheroid with a slight bulge in the equator. It is not a smooth round continuum, but on average it stays curved. It is possible to have a long flat surface on the roundness of the Earth, but at some point it would have to bend to the curvature. I hope that clears up the misunderstanding.

[ProfessionalTeabagger]

I actually would like the flat earthers to piss off. As far as I'm concerned you're a fucking idiot and not welcome. All you're doing is making this forum look completely crackpot. If you believe your retarded and insulting scientific bald assertions then go to a science website. WTF are you doing here? 

Why are people being nice to these dickbrains? They are not good people. They flock to what they think are fringe websites and talk shit endlessly. Do we have time to deal with these deranged creeps on top of everything else? 

[Will Torbald]

I actually would like the flat earthers to piss off. As far as I'm concerned you're a fucking idiot and not welcome. All you're doing is making this forum look completely crackpot. If you believe your retarded and insulting scientific bald assertions then go to a science website. WTF are you doing here? 

Why are people being nice to these dickbrains? They are not good people. They flock to what they think are fringe websites and talk shit endlessly. Do we have time to deal with these deranged creeps on top of everything else? 

 

I'm with you on everything you said with the exception that I would like them to piss off after they have shown to be unable to change their minds. I'm being nice to him in the first impression. If after that he continues to deny the evidence, or shows no signs of curiosity or doubt, then yes he can very well be ignored.

[algernon]

I actually would like the flat earthers to piss off. As far as I'm concerned you're a fucking idiot and not welcome. All you're doing is making this forum look completely crackpot. If you believe your retarded and insulting scientific bald assertions then go to a science website. WTF are you doing here? 

Why are people being nice to these dickbrains? They are not good people. They flock to what they think are fringe websites and talk shit endlessly.

 

Why are you being so hostile, are you concerned your self image is somehow tied to an internet forum, and someone tarnishing that is going to harm you?

 

I see no evidence of JP being a bad person, maybe they are undetermined and had some questions regarding the math, "If the earth is a sphere, how does this math work?".

 

 

Do we have time to deal with these deranged creeps on top of everything else?

 

Apparently so, you took the time to log in, read his post and then reply. Why did you engage in the conversation?

[Kevin Beal]

There is a kind of hostility in presenting absolutely crazy (seeming) propositions to people as if they were deluded to think otherwise. When I argue anarchism, for example, I don't say to people that anarchism is obviously true and they are stupid if they disagree. Anarchists who do do that are just speaking to an echo chamber of people who already accept anarchism, or it's some kind of dick measuring contest, or they've already proved the point logically and their opponent is just being obtuse.

 

It's a kind of emotional manipulation because you come on so strong that you are letting people know that trying to tell them otherwise puts them at risk of being the target of their contempt. It's very rare that someone has the emotional maturity to concede when they come on strong and paint ignorance on their opponents. 99 times out of a 100, you just get an escalation, especially when it's despite a debate that was won by a landslide by Stef. I mean, come on – Stef's arguments were fallacious? Did you even watch the video?!

 

Telling people crazy sounding things as if they were totally obvious can be translated into something like:

 

"This is my fragile grandiosity speaking right now that I'm addicted to maintaining by provoking other people's frustration. And I can assure you that if you try and reason with me, I will do my best to maintain this bubble reality I've got going at any cost to myself and people's perceptions of me."

 

I'm not saying that's for sure what's happening here. I'm just responding to this sentiment that having wildly insane beliefs is benign.

 

That being said, I wouldn't feel comfortable telling anyone that they aren't welcome, and I've got a reputation around here and people know who I am and have some amount of influence, more than most anyway. It's not my forum. There are people I wish weren't forum members, even ones with a lot of reputation points and a large presence. If it were my forum there would be no JD Stembal or Dsayers, and some people seem to like them and want them around, so maybe it's a good thing it's not my forum.

[JPKeele]

Hey thanks for the replies. I'm not religious never been to church or read the bible. I'm looking at it as a pure mechanical problem. in my eyes there would have to be locks on each end of the canal or big pumps supplying water to the center constantly. If it was a ball then the canal would have to be 5,000ft or so deep I mean a valley dug that deep for there to be no locks. for the math to work. but clearly that is not the case. so I would like an explanation on how it works.  Just throwing insults to me is not explaining that, its only proving Stephen's point about hurling insults when provided facts.. Also the roman aqueducts are 200 miles long and some are only a difference of 51 feet from start to finish clearly the math doesn't add up again. there ratios are 1/4000 which clearly only works on a flat surface.  

 

Schools are a brainwashing box which has been stated here many times and how many people have been in school... so why couldn't a lie that big be covered.. seems simple to me. Governments are evil we know that so what you choose to believe is what you choose to believe I'm not forcing my observations on anyone so take it for what it is worth. 

 

 

I took Surveying in college and we never had to account for the curvature never. 

 

I am not a bad person I'm well liked and respected in my community people come to me with alot of different problems. When it comes to communication Ya I'm no silver tonged devil I always speak the truth I don't spout lies. I was taught at an early age that telling the truth is easier then remembering a lie. Maybe thats why I don't remember much of my schooling cause most of it didn't add up to me.

 

I was hoping that I may have finally found like minded people in joining this forum. Where I could ask questions and give opinions on how I see things and share my experiences. I guess that will be decided later.

 

To those hurling insults to me well at least I'm not Hiding behind a fake name I am me I am JP    

[JPKeele]

I'm going to go another step here. maybe it will be clearer. water always strives to find level right? So lets take a glass of water and fill the glass and set it on a table let it sit for a minute for that it is level not moving any more. OK now you have made a lake. lets then take it and pour it on the table. what is going to happen? the water will then pool on the table until it reaches the edges and it will flow to the floor. why does it flow to the floor well there is nothing to contain it so it has to strive to find level. when it makes it to the floor what happens then? it finds the lowest point to which it can pool and gather and be contained by higher ground. this is a method for finding low spots on your floor but i don't recommend it. so the question which i asked is  water anti gravity? if the earth is a ball whether it be a tennis ball or football shape then how is there water still in the Suez canal when it is only 75ft deep and not contained on the ends? the only way that it can happen is if the Mediterranean sea which is connected to the Atlantic ocean which is connected the Pacific ocean which is connected to the Indian ocean which is connected to the Suez canal are all level and there is no further low points to find. so in my mind the ball shaped earth just doesn't add up. The Antarctic must then be the container that keeps the water in right? look at the UN map or the the USGS map there needs to be a container to keep the water in for it find level.     

[algernon]

I understand what you're saying, I put the earth into CAD, drew a straight line and you're correct in the middle the difference is almost a mile. The problem is they wouldn't have bored a straight line, they would have dug 75' deep the entire 125 miles, which would be following the curve of the earth. Then assuming gravity pulls everything to the middle of the earth, the water would flow into it fine at 75' deep, the water does not stay truly level, it follows the circumference of the earth.

Here is the CAD drawn to scale - https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6p4FULWbCOhQTBwWGNicHlJenc

 

The inside of the blue line is the reported size of the earth, the outside is 1 mile taller depicting water 1 mile deep. The line is 125 miles long straight across. As you can see the water would follow the earth, imagine land being at start and end of the line, you would just dig down 75 following the curve, and the water would flow in and stay there.

[Will Torbald]

Hey thanks for the replies. I'm not religious never been to church or read the bible. I'm looking at it as a pure mechanical problem. in my eyes there would have to be locks on each end of the canal or big pumps supplying water to the center constantly. If it was a ball then the canal would have to be 5,000ft or so deep I mean a valley dug that deep for there to be no locks. for the math to work. but clearly that is not the case. so I would like an explanation on how it works.  Just throwing insults to me is not explaining that, its only proving Stephen's point about hurling insults when provided facts.. Also the roman aqueducts are 200 miles long and some are only a difference of 51 feet from start to finish clearly the math doesn't add up again. there ratios are 1/4000 which clearly only works on a flat surface.  

 

Schools are a brainwashing box which has been stated here many times and how many people have been in school... so why couldn't a lie that big be covered.. seems simple to me. Governments are evil we know that so what you choose to believe is what you choose to believe I'm not forcing my observations on anyone so take it for what it is worth. 

 

 

I took Surveying in college and we never had to account for the curvature never. 

 

I am not a bad person I'm well liked and respected in my community people come to me with alot of different problems. When it comes to communication Ya I'm no silver tonged devil I always speak the truth I don't spout lies. I was taught at an early age that telling the truth is easier then remembering a lie. Maybe thats why I don't remember much of my schooling cause most of it didn't add up to me.

 

I was hoping that I may have finally found like minded people in joining this forum. Where I could ask questions and give opinions on how I see things and share my experiences. I guess that will be decided later.

 

To those hurling insults to me well at least I'm not Hiding behind a fake name I am me I am JP    

 

Have you ever had an IQ test, even an informal one? Did you finish high school? Have you ever read a book on physics? These are not insults, I'm just trying to understand what kind of person is drawn to believe into flat earth conspiracies.

[ProfessionalTeabagger]

Why are you being so hostile, are you concerned your self image is somehow tied to an internet forum, and someone tarnishing that is going to harm you?

 

I see no evidence of JP being a bad person, maybe they are undetermined and had some questions regarding the math, "If the earth is a sphere, how does this math work?".

 

 

Apparently so, you took the time to log in, read his post and then reply. Why did you engage in the conversation?

I'm being hostile because the guy is either an actual retard or so fucking rude he deserves it. If this person was in my house and just said this shit as if it was normal and not the sign of a disturbed individual then I'd probably be genuinely frightened and want them out. He IS a bad person or a crazy one. Stop entertaining these cretins. 

I was hoping that I may have finally found like minded people in joining this forum. Where I could ask questions and give opinions on how I see things and share my experiences. I guess that will be decided later.

 

To those hurling insults to me well at least I'm not Hiding behind a fake name I am me I am JP    

 

Hiding behind a fake name? So anyone who doesn't provide their real name is "hiding"? Do you not understand that some people just want their actual name kept private because this is the internet and creeps like you exist on it? What has one's user name got to do with anything you absolute moron? 

Your posts are nothing but insults to everyone's intelligence. You have NOT found "like minded people" and that's not why you're here. There are plenty of places you can go with thousands of people discussing flat earth bullshit. There are plenty of science websites with people a hundred times more qualified to answer these questions. This is a fucking philosophy forum, not a crackpot conspiracy forum. You are here to pollute people and spout your craziness to those who you think will listen. 

 

The energy wasted on idiots like you could be used on anti-spanking or anti-state discussions. You don't belong here.

 

http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/ask-an-expert-intro

 

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/podcasts/ask-tns/

 

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/

 

Please go away.

 

And to the actual forum members here entertaining this prick's questions, don't say I didn't tell you so.

[JPKeele]

Thanks algeron, Good work. I love autocad But I enjoy manual drawing myself its a lost art form. Still water doesn't flow up hill. it finds level.

 

Does IQ really matter to how water works? nope i don't think so. I've Done IQ testing when I was a kid and sorry I don't have the results. Yes I finished high school and 2 years of college. 1 year of architecture and 1 year of surveying. I've read 3 of steph's books sofar and many many history books aswell as science books. I'm Just getting into philosophy now as I stated earlier about the whole r/K theory.

 

Some people say that we need people to think outside the box but how can you think outside the box when you don't know what box  were really in? When people do bring ideas in to question and solutions forward they get well how I'm being treated now. which is fine with me people have acted towards me like this my whole life, but if their car breaks down or they have a plumbing problem  computer problem and can't afford a certified repairman they come to me and like the person I am I will fix it for almost nothing. I fix alot of things to many to list and to me alot of things people have me fix are pretty common sense and for the life of me I couldn't figure out how they cannot fix these things themselves.. Now I have found r/K it took that question and answered it for me. I could never understand how people would get promoted over me when they have no clue on how to do the job of which they are now going to be supervisor over. I understand it now because they would use me to get there and then they would try like hell to get rid of me when I would start doing just my job and not my job plus theirs.

 

I'm a musician 4 of us started at the same time and after awhile I was much further ahead then them and I couldn't understand again why... I understand it now.

 

I could probably write a few books on r/k theory with just observations in my family nothing made sense to me how people could act the way they do and forget the destruction they left behind. I understand it now.

 

I loved the story that Stephen recalled about when he was a kid and was standing on a 5ft wall and was anxious about jumping. I had the same experience when I was a kid but I thought that if I jumped straight out I should land to the left or right of where i'm jumping cause the earth is spinning. That theory didn't work out lol.

 

anyways My IQ if you care about the number is 135 so yes I must be stupid....       

[ProfessionalTeabagger]

 When people do bring ideas in to question and solutions forward they get well how I'm being treated now. which is fine with me people have acted towards me like this my whole life   

 

[Will Torbald]

Thanks algeron, Good work. I love autocad But I enjoy manual drawing myself its a lost art form. Still water doesn't flow up hill. it finds level.

 

Does IQ really matter to how water works? nope i don't think so. I've Done IQ testing when I was a kid and sorry I don't have the results. Yes I finished high school and 2 years of college. 1 year of architecture and 1 year of surveying. I've read 3 of steph's books sofar and many many history books aswell as science books. I'm Just getting into philosophy now as I stated earlier about the whole r/K theory.

 

Some people say that we need people to think outside the box but how can you think outside the box when you don't know what box  were really in? When people do bring ideas in to question and solutions forward they get well how I'm being treated now. which is fine with me people have acted towards me like this my whole life, but if their car breaks down or they have a plumbing problem  computer problem and can't afford a certified repairman they come to me and like the person I am I will fix it for almost nothing. I fix alot of things to many to list and to me alot of things people have me fix are pretty common sense and for the life of me I couldn't figure out how they cannot fix these things themselves.. Now I have found r/K it took that question and answered it for me. I could never understand how people would get promoted over me when they have no clue on how to do the job of which they are now going to be supervisor over. I understand it now because they would use me to get there and then they would try like hell to get rid of me when I would start doing just my job and not my job plus theirs.

 

I'm a musician 4 of us started at the same time and after awhile I was much further ahead then them and I couldn't understand again why... I understand it now.

 

I could probably write a few books on r/k theory with just observations in my family nothing made sense to me how people could act the way they do and forget the destruction they left behind. I understand it now.

 

I loved the story that Stephen recalled about when he was a kid and was standing on a 5ft wall and was anxious about jumping. I had the same experience when I was a kid but I thought that if I jumped straight out I should land to the left or right of where i'm jumping cause the earth is spinning. That theory didn't work out lol.

 

anyways My IQ if you care about the number is 135 so yes I must be stupid....       

 

Well, since your first sentence contradicts your last sentence, I don't know whether you are lying or not. I do however find it hard to understand how you can say that you have read books in physics, and learned about it without understanding how the relativity of motions works. Here is a short video explaining how jumping on a trampoline won't help you determine whether the Earth is rotating or not. It is the concept of relativity (but not the kind of relativity Einstein talked about). If you can't understand relativity, you can't understand anything else regarding motion and rotation. So please watch it if you want to learn more about the world, and hopefully correct your mistakes when it comes to your perception.

[JPKeele]

Are books and IQ the only thing that means anything here? I put 3 things relating to IQ in my last post... 1 was true and 2 were false.. If you fixate on the 2 that have zero meaning to the natural way on how water works then I'm sorry for anyone who can't comprehend that. No one has provided evidence on how it works. Gravity pulls water down right? No water seeks level. I understand that 2 bodies of water that are on the same height get connected need a route that is either lower then the highest point which the water will just flow between the 2 untill they level out to the same height. If there is any curve of the earth then you need a pump or a siphon to get over that curve it would have to be a constant requirment but it would never fill.

 

Mellomama I did answer your question but maybe we can use a  arched bridge as an example of the curvature of the earth . When it rains where does the water go? it flows down both sides right? so if there were lakes on both sides of the bridge how can you get water to remain on that curve? you can't its impossible. You would either have to raise the level of the lakes to the highest point of the curve or take the curve out and dig a canal which is lower then the height of the 2 lakes.   

[ProfessionalTeabagger]

... and hopefully correct your mistakes when it comes to your perception. 

 

The reason this person is not going to scientists to discuss this scientific question is because he is crazy and he knows they will reject him. He's not here to seek correction but to validate his craziness at the expense of nice people like you. Every single example of flat earther debate shows they will NEVER accept correction but simply raise new objections. There is nothing you can say to this person. Nothing. The video you kindly provided him will not be rationally considered but rather be used as an opportunity to throw arguments from incredulity / ignorance at you. Finally you will become so exhausted and frustrated and to him this will be validation. The only way to win with crazy is not to play. 

[Will Torbald]

The reason this person is not going to scientists to discuss this scientific question is because he is crazy and he knows they will reject him. He's not here to seek correction but to validate his craziness at the expense of nice people like you. Every single example of flat earther debate shows they will NEVER accept correction but simply raise new objections. There is nothing you can say to this person. Nothing. The video you kindly provided him will not be rationally considered but rather be used as an opportunity to throw arguments from incredulity / ignorance at you. Finally you will become so exhausted and frustrated and to him this will be validation. The only way to win with crazy is not to play. 

 

You're right rationalistically. I'm just gathering empirical evidence by running the experiment of offering answers and getting results. It's a bad habit of mine to demand proof that a person is nuts even if I already have enough reasons from reason alone. I'll be done after he has no answer to the video.

[WorBlux]

I'm going to go another step here. maybe it will be clearer. water always strives to find level right? So lets take a glass of water and fill the glass and set it on a table let it sit for a minute for that it is level not moving any more. OK now you have made a lake. lets then take it and pour it on the table. what is going to happen? the water will then pool on the table until it reaches the edges and it will flow to the floor. why does it flow to the floor well there is nothing to contain it so it has to strive to find level. when it makes it to the floor what happens then? it finds the lowest point to which it can pool and gather and be contained by higher ground. this is a method for finding low spots on your floor but i don't recommend it. so the question which i asked is  water anti gravity? if the earth is a ball whether it be a tennis ball or football shape then how is there water still in the Suez canal when it is only 75ft deep and not contained on the ends? the only way that it can happen is if the Mediterranean sea which is connected to the Atlantic ocean which is connected the Pacific ocean which is connected to the Indian ocean which is connected to the Suez canal are all level and there is no further low points to find. so in my mind the ball shaped earth just doesn't add up. The Antarctic must then be the container that keeps the water in right? look at the UN map or the the USGS map there needs to be a container to keep the water in for it find level.     

 

 

If you can understand the math behind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zip9ft1PgV0 that water's level is not in respect to a straight line, but rather all of the forces it's being subject to.

 

In the case linked to, the level is perpendicular to the vector force of gravity and the centripedal force.  In the case of the oceans the level found is perpendicular to g, the force of gravity which is directed towards the earth's center of mass.

[JPKeele]

Oh crap I figured it out! its the earths rotation that makes the water over come the curvature phew.. Thanks for trying to help guys That short video helped me step back and look at another angle. 

[Will Torbald]

Oh crap I figured it out! its the earths rotation that makes the water over come the curvature phew.. Thanks for trying to help guys That short video helped me step back and look at another angle.

No, that's not how it works. The water curves itself along with the curvature of the earth because it is made of molecules that interact through gravity with the earth. If the Earth didn't rotate the water on it would still cover it along its surface. Are you going to watch the video that I posted instead? I'm still waiting on that, and et this point I'm worried you might just be ignoring it on purpose.

[JPKeele]

If you can understand the math behind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zip9ft1PgV0 that water's level is not in respect to a straight line, but rather all of the forces it's being subject to.

 

In the case linked to, the level is perpendicular to the vector force of gravity and the centripedal force.  In the case of the oceans the level found is perpendicular to g, the force of gravity which is directed towards the earth's center of mass.

Thats pretty cool video. only thing I can think of that makes me question it is that. That water is contained inside the aquarium and the water surrounding the earth is not in an aquarium so how can it work?  I see that gravity kinda works with water because the rotation of the earth can push water over the curve so why can't it push water up in the air like a tire does on wet roads? all it is, is scale right 1 drop of water should react the same as a million?

[WorBlux]

Thats pretty cool video. only thing I can think of that makes me question it is that. That water is contained inside the aquarium and the water surrounding the earth is not in an aquarium so how can it work?  I see that gravity kinda works with water because the rotation of the earth can push water over the curve so why can't it push water up in the air like a tire does on wet roads? all it is, is scale right 1 drop of water should react the same as a million?

 

To put it in physics terms the aquarium applies a normal force to counteract the water pressure.  The normal force  on oceans is present at the ocean floor.  The point of the demonstration is to show water does not seek a straight line level. It instead seeks a minimal potential energy configuration with on any surface point you can draw a tangent to the sum of influencing force vectors.

 

These tangent lines are within the water because the normal forces point towards each other.  In systems like a water balloon the tangent lines are in the balloon/air side because the normal forces point away from each other.

 

What happens with tires is fairly complex but doesn't scale up to well. The surface tension and cohesion of the droplets play a role, and these are insignificantly small forces compared to the weight of cubic miles of water.

 

The rotation of earth as does change it's shape away from the simply sphere gravity alone would create and makes coralis affect, but is not why sea level works on a spheroid earth.

[algernon]

I think this is a good video that easily helps one visual how gravity works. -

[JPKeele]

Hey Will Torbald I did watch your video and when I talked about the jump thing I'm sure I said it didn't work. There for I learned that lesson at an early age. If you can't feel motion then your a corpse. cause blood being pumped through your body is motion is it not? the liquid in your inner ear controls equilibrium right so if how can you eliminate that variable? 

 

No, that's not how it works. The water curves itself along with the curvature of the earth because it is made of molecules that interact through gravity with the earth. If the Earth didn't rotate the water on it would still cover it along its surface. Are you going to watch the video that I posted instead? I'm still waiting on that, and et this point I'm worried you might just be ignoring it on purpose.

Good thank you for eliminating the rotation of the earth. Then please explain how to get water over the bridge and make it maintain a depth of even 1 foot say? show me evidence and i'll change my mind.

 

 

To put it in physics terms the aquarium applies a normal force to counteract the water pressure.  The normal force  on oceans is present at the ocean floor.  The point of the demonstration is to show water does not seek a straight line level. It instead seeks a minimal potential energy configuration with on any surface point you can draw a tangent to the sum of influencing force vectors.

 

These tangent lines are within the water because the normal forces point towards each other.  In systems like a water balloon the tangent lines are in the balloon/air side because the normal forces point away from each other.

 

What happens with tires is fairly complex but doesn't scale up to well. The surface tension and cohesion of the droplets play a role, and these are insignificantly small forces compared to the weight of cubic miles of water.

 

The rotation of earth as does change it's shape away from the simply sphere gravity alone would create and makes coralis affect, but is not why sea level works on a spheroid earth.

Ok so what happens to the water when it stops spinning then? does it first search out the low point then find level when there are no disturbances? Yes i think it does.. you can test this by pouring your self a drink.

 

I think this is a good video that easily helps one visual how gravity works. -

Yup that is a good magician trick. anything put on that contraption that is round will make its way to the center regardless of size or weight. and there is to much gravity because it is not in space to really test this theory you need to have no gravity otherwise the test or theory is invalid right off the bat. You have to agree on that atleast.

[Will Torbald]

Hey Will Torbald I did watch your video and when I talked about the jump thing I'm sure I said it didn't work. There for I learned that lesson at an early age. If you can't feel motion then your a corpse. cause blood being pumped through your body is motion is it not? the liquid in your inner ear controls equilibrium right so if how can you eliminate that variable? 

 

Good thank you for eliminating the rotation of the earth. Then please explain how to get water over the bridge and make it maintain a depth of even 1 foot say? show me evidence and i'll change my mind.

 

 

Ok so what happens to the water when it stops spinning then? does it first search out the low point then find level when there are no disturbances? Yes i think it does.. you can test this by pouring your self a drink.

 

Yup that is a good magician trick. anything put on that contraption that is round will make its way to the center regardless of size or weight. and there is to much gravity because it is not in space to really test this theory you need to have no gravity otherwise the test or theory is invalid right off the bat. You have to agree on that atleast.

 

It is not about feeling motion. You have to think of it in terms of velocity and acceleration. Velocity is how fast you are moving, and acceleration is an increase in velocity. You can only feel acceleration, but it is impossible to feel a constant velocity. You don't feel the Earth rotating because it has a constant velocity, but you would feel it if it accelerated. It has nothing to do with your blood, but you're right that it has to do with the inner ear, but that only detects acceleration.

 

I don't understand your argument about water and bridges as it is completely irrelevant to the curvature of the Earth. For that you need to understand how gravity works in a round object like the Earth.

[algernon]

I don't understand your argument about water and bridges as it is completely irrelevant to the curvature of the Earth. For that you need to understand how gravity works in a round object like the Earth.

 

I understand what he's saying, his point is a bridge with a slight rise in the middle won't have water flow over it, comparing the arch of a bridge to the earth. Except it would have water flow over it, if the arch matched the same dimensions of the earth.

 

I am curious about my Antarctica question, JP - is everyone lying about having been to Antarctica?

[Will Torbald]

I understand what he's saying, his point is a bridge with a slight rise in the middle won't have water flow over it, comparing the arch of a bridge to the earth. Except it would have water flow over it, if the arch matched the same dimensions of the earth.

 

I am curious about my Antarctica question, JP - is everyone lying about having been to Antarctica?

I think I understand the example now, thanks. However, the answer to that problem is what I suggested: To understand how gravity works in a round object. He is making the mistake of thinking that gravity pulls downwards instead of inwards.

[JPKeele]

OK sorry I reread the replies and missed a huge point lol I'm really sorry algernon I miss it. if the curve is a mile high and you only take 75 feet off of the curve you still need to get the water 5215 feet above the curve it won't work no matter what you do it will only fill 75 feet of the ends. I believe the Suez canal is almost on the equator where everyone is saying the curve is greater then other places. So I'm going to leave it at that Some theory must be wrong here.

 

Please explain the difference of Inwards and down to me there is no difference dropping something in Canada it falls down to the ground drop something in Australia it falls down to the ground or inwards right?

 

The Video you posted about the guy in the plane if your flying at the same rate on a level corse in an inclosed space ya I can see not knowing if your moving visually but if he was outside the plane with a blindfold on could you say the same thing? I'm sure the constant wind blowing against your body  would tell you your in motion.

 

I'm really only trying to get to the truth here and i'm not forcing anyone to do anything but Think. It's been driving me nuts to cause it doesn't make sense to me. I think others would feel the same. I read the same science textbooks as you guys probably have but there is a big difference now I'm not being forced to agree with things that just don't feel right in my guts. I hated that about school don't question the book or i'll fail you and you won't graduate. Now that I've graduated does it really matter now? I can voice my opinions about this kind of stuff.  I'm not running to science forums because most if not all make a living off of it wither its right or wrong. 

 

algernon I honestly haven't looked into that yet but I will research it for you or with you if you would like.

[Will Torbald]

OK sorry I reread the replies and missed a huge point lol I'm really sorry algernon I miss it. if the curve is a mile high and you only take 75 feet off of the curve you still need to get the water 5215 feet above the curve it won't work no matter what you do it will only fill 75 feet of the ends. I believe the Suez canal is almost on the equator where everyone is saying the curve is greater then other places. So I'm going to leave it at that Some theory must be wrong here.

 

Please explain the difference of Inwards and down to me there is no difference dropping something in Canada it falls down to the ground drop something in Australia it falls down to the ground or inwards right?

 

The Video you posted about the guy in the plane if your flying at the same rate on a level corse in an inclosed space ya I can see not knowing if your moving visually but if he was outside the plane with a blindfold on could you say the same thing? I'm sure the constant wind blowing against your body would tell you your in motion.

 

I'm really only trying to get to the truth here and i'm not forcing anyone to do anything but Think. It's been driving me nuts to cause it doesn't make sense to me. I think others would feel the same. I read the same science textbooks as you guys probably have but there is a big difference now I'm not being forced to agree with things that just don't feel right in my guts. I hated that about school don't question the book or i'll fail you and you won't graduate. Now that I've graduated does it really matter now? I can voice my opinions about this kind of stuff. I'm not running to science forums because most if not all make a living off of it wither its right or wrong.

 

algernon I honestly haven't looked into that yet but I will research it for you or with you if you would like.

All scientific problems have premises. If the premises are wrong, the entire solution to the problem will be illogical. I think you might be getting confused with problems explained by people who don't understand the premises. You don't have to believe anything on authority, but when you try to learn on your own, you can be deceived by bad science very easily.

 

In a round object you feel like you move in a straight line, but you are actually moving along the curvature of the ball. You can only realize the curvature from a distant perspective. There are other ways in which the roundness of the earth was confirmed even before planes or rockets. The Greeks had already calculated the size and curvature of the earth with almost exact precision using time and shadows.

 

At this point in time, with all the evidence there is for a planetary earth, the only way you can be doubtful is if you are being deceived by faulty premises and people without scrupulous behavior.

[JPKeele]

I know I've had tons of bad teachers. No doubt you have too.

[Will Torbald]

I know I've had tons of bad teachers. No doubt you have too.

 

Actually I had a good education in private schools. The science teachers were helpful, but I still learned from other sources.

[algernon]

Please explain the difference of Inwards and down to me there is no difference dropping something in Canada it falls down to the ground drop something in Australia it falls down to the ground or inwards right?

 

I think you are getting confused because you are only thinking on one plane. The difference between inwards and downwards is perspective. Everything falls inwards, if you are on opposite sides of the earth, say USA and China, if you drop something to the ground in the USA it falls down based on your perspective, yet if you were able to observe the object while in China it would "fall" up.

 

 

algernon I honestly haven't looked into that yet but I will research it for you or with you if you would like.

 

I already spent to much time on it, the universal conclusion was anyone that says they have been to Antarctica is lying or deceived, including all of the web cams, documentaries, movies, military people and civilians alike. This seems a bit preposterous to you, don't you think?

[JPKeele]

Ok haha I see now the big stink about my question. I live at the entrance to the Trent Severn Waterway so I'm surrounded by locks canals and large bodies of water  so when I heard they were going to make the Suez canal wide enough for 2 ships to pass My first thoughts were wow thats alot of work. then when I found out there were no locks at all through a length of 125 miles connecting 2 bodies of water it didn't make sense to me when its hard to travel more then acouple miles from where i live to each lock along the way. I figured all these locks were to help the water get over the curve of the earth. but I guess thats not the case eh... ah well thanks for teaching me better.   

[JPKeele]

 

Please explain the difference of Inwards and down to me there is no difference dropping something in Canada it falls down to the ground drop something in Australia it falls down to the ground or inwards right?

 

I think you are getting confused because you are only thinking on one plane. The difference between inwards and downwards is perspective. Everything falls inwards, if you are on opposite sides of the earth, say USA and China, if you drop something to the ground in the USA it falls down based on your perspective, yet if you were able to observe the object while in China it would "fall" up.

 

 

algernon I honestly haven't looked into that yet but I will research it for you or with you if you would like.

 

I already spent to much time on it, the universal conclusion was anyone that says they have been to Antarctica is lying or deceived, including all of the web cams, documentaries, movies, military people and civilians alike. This seems a bit preposterous to you, don't you think?

 

Your right about perspective and kinda like a inkblot test isn't it? In reality though that can't happen.

 

Yes the Antarctic thing is strange from the few things I looked at last night. Why can't they just put a live feed camera on a plane and fly it over the Antarctic and finish the debate once and for all. They could do it when the weather is -30C or warmer since anyone who lives in the north where temps have been that cold know planes and cars can operate just fine in those conditions.