Confused about some of the perspectives here, plz assist

[AlexZoo]

Hello,

I have watched Stefan's videos for a few months. I have not seen them all, I have watched a few of them more than once, and I donate every time I believe that I could not live without having seen other people agree with me on the issues discussed. I also like the comments on the youTube pages. 

 

I joined the members group recently and started to chat this morning. I was very happy to talk with a guy from Australia sharing similar views on immigration, the nature of academia diluting the national spirit etc. Then another member comes into counter balance these nationalistic preservation views, and a discussion comes up, and the views I saw as being either Liberal or passive. Eg Liberal in that he saw the frame of humanity as a global ethno mixing group, and passive in that he wanted to convince me that any effort in voting is in vain, and makes no difference. Later on, other members assisted in degrading the value of voting and supporting the activity of abstaining from voting. They presented videos to stress that Stefan does not vote or even support it. I thought in spirit, that he would support voting and activism. My question is this:

 

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Does the community here, discourage voting? (yes/no)

Does the community here have a nihilistic approach to not taking actions and placing value on actions to assist change?

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At first I accused this member of being a professional agitator/troll because I considered it unbelievable that someone who is concerned with change from many issues Stefan discusses, would be anti-voting and anti-activism. The large number in the chat room convinced me that this was their line. Is this so?

[neeeel]

why are you pro-voting?

[NotDarkYet]

Strawman:  ...."anti-voting and anti-activism"

 

One can be a powerful activist and not vote.

[Wuzzums]

The general vibe here is that you should make your own decisions. If you think voting helps then go ahead. If you think others should vote then make your case.

[algernon]

I usually post this video when it comes to voting, this aligns to my perspective pretty well -

 

 

You cannot change a corrupt system by participating in that system. That does not mean do nothing though, quite the opposite. I spend a great deal of time trying to educate people, what if everyone in your town or community was educated and stopped voting, stopped participating and stopped following the rules of the corrupt system? It would have to change, BC Canada is a good example. Open rebellion of the cannabis laws meant they had to legalize it, people lost respect of the law, often openly defying the drug laws and smoking cannabis in public. For the system to continue appearing legitimate they had to decriminalize it. This is slowly happening in the states with cannabis, as many areas people have lost complete respect for the drug laws, and many individual states are legalizing it.

 

Stop subjugating yourself to other masters, you are your own master. Democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner, in actuality it needs to be 10 sheep and 11 wolves voting, the sheep refusing to vote and saying they don't care what immoral decry the wolves decide on, they will not comply and will defend them self. Voting is participating and giving consent of the outcome.

 

Look at all of the bills congress keeps trying to pass, TPP and other trade things the public outcries about, large internet companies run campaigns to shut it down, and it gets delayed for a while, they just keep renaming the bill, putting parts of one bill into others, and vote after vote the people care less and less about it, until it eventually passes. Has an enormous overbearing state ever been voted into a smaller state? Has a totalitarian government ever been voted into a free government?

 

Remember, you only get to vote for the options they give you... Romney vs Obama? Two options of the virtually same person.

 

Even if Ron Paul was elected, would he have been able to turn the federal government into a small less overbearing police state? He might have been able to shrink it marginally, until the next election and the metastasis continued. The US government started as the most free place on earth, the problem was people accepted the validity of authority and force, and here we are today. "Let's just vote on a 1% tax, no one will notice the 1% it's so miniscule, and it will save THE CHILDREN." Who could have a problem with a 1% tax, it would have virtually no effect on anyone, and could help so many, the problem is ACCEPTING the validity of a tax.

 

So I would have to ask, what meaningful change do you hope to accomplish through voting?

[Will Torbald]

The fact that people disagree and have different opinions is a sign that people are independent thinkers. I would freak out if everyone shared the exact same idea all the time. In that sense, to ask if this place is for one opinion or the other isn't that interesting because the whole point is to have discussions between multiple perspectives.