Which is closest to AnCap paradise?

[M.2]

I have posted a thread asking the question a while ago "which country is best?" It was meant to be a completely open question, and I received a lot of replies. Most emphasised the importance of NO GVERNMENT as a prerequisite for a moral society. So I have been doing some research and reading Practical Anarchy and Everyday Anarchy to broaden my horizons. 
Here are the countries I have narrowed down my search to, and would like to get a few opinions on which is truly the closest candidate. Here are the largely undisputed data. Please add a few criteria if there are any.

There seems to be 5 main requirements for an ancap paradise: (I deliberately used data only from wikipedia, as they have the lowest possibility of being controversial)
0. No government. Everyone fails this one, so I won't include it.
1. Freedom of education. This is pretty hard to quantify so I only gave them general rankings. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Index  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_education
2. Economic freedom. This is probably the most important one. Sadly, there is only quite unreliable data out there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_economic_freedom
3. Absolutist ideology. Sorry, so far any form of atheism is not one. Only contemporary powerful ideologies count. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Importance_of_religion_by_country
4. Moral population. Respect for the NAP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index
5. Strong Population. Not gross strength, but strength per capita in the given geopolitical predicament . What good is a society if they can't defend themselves, amaright?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Global_Militarization_Index

[smarterthanone]

1. Personally I only find Economic freedom and Moral Population the only relevant factors you included.

2. The countries vary so much, certainly some are better than others in terms of an ancap paradise HOWEVER, specifics of many of these countries will determine it for each individual. Just like New Hampshire has the Free State movement and yeah they do some great stuff up there BUT, I hate the cold, so I wouldn't live there no matter how free it was. Some of these countries are terrible for certain kinds of business so while it may be perfect for all, the geography or the laws they do have may not be ideal for ME or for YOU to go there.

That being said I picked Chile, Switzerland wins based on the stats but like I said, I hate the cold so Chile is 2nd place by the numbers I was looking at and warm.

[Siegfried von Walheim]

Hey man, where's Russia? A.k.a. my backup plan if/when America has a decades-long civil war? Otherwise I'd pick Poland since they seem the most redpilled and the least likely to invite Socialism back in while Chile seems to have a creeping Socialism problem. 

Also, on the weather side (since someone mentioned it), I prefer cold climates therefore Poland beats everyone. 

Poland is/can be basically the new Germany.

[M.2]

7 hours ago, smarterthanone said:

1. Personally I only find Economic freedom and Moral Population the only relevant factors you included.
2. The countries vary so much, certainly some are better than others in terms of an ancap paradise HOWEVER, specifics of many of these countries will determine it for each individual. Just like New Hampshire has the Free State movement and yeah they do some great stuff up there BUT, I hate the cold, so I wouldn't live there no matter how free it was. Some of these countries are terrible for certain kinds of business so while it may be perfect for all, the geography or the laws they do have may not be ideal for ME or for YOU to go there.
That being said I picked Chile, Switzerland wins based on the stats but like I said, I hate the cold so Chile is 2nd place by the numbers I was looking at and warm.

I included the data I found relevant, reading the book "practical anarchy". But all you deem relevant is important too. There is a reason only 50 thousand people live on Greenland.

6 hours ago, Siegfried von Walheim said:

Hey man, where's Russia? A.k.a. my backup plan if/when America has a decades-long civil war? Otherwise I'd pick Poland since they seem the most redpilled and the least likely to invite Socialism back in while Chile seems to have a creeping Socialism problem.
Also, on the weather side (since someone mentioned it), I prefer cold climates therefore Poland beats everyone.
Poland is/can be basically the new Germany.

Here are the stats for Russia: Top 40th in education, +50 in economic freedom, 40% in ideology, 6th in strength
The reason I did not include Russia, is that I only picked countries that don't score well in economic freedom if they excell in 2 other fields. Russia only leads in strength, and that is the least important of the criteria. Hey, I love Russia too, but then again, I am not an anarchist.
Poland is not nearly the coldest of countries I listed. In case you were wondering, Poland scores so low on strength because of their extremely powerful neighbours. Otherwise they are very strong and will only grow as Germany wavers.

[Siegfried von Walheim]

8 hours ago, Mishi2 said:

I included the data I found relevant, reading the book "practical anarchy". But all you deem relevant is important too. There is a reason only 50 thousand people live on Greenland.

Here are the stats for Russia: Top 40th in education, +50 in economic freedom, 40% in ideology, 6th in strength
The reason I did not include Russia, is that I only picked countries that don't score well in economic freedom if they excell in 2 other fields. Russia only leads in strength, and that is the least important of the criteria. Hey, I love Russia too, but then again, I am not an anarchist.
Poland is not nearly the coldest of countries I listed. In case you were wondering, Poland scores so low on strength because of their extremely powerful neighbours. Otherwise they are very strong and will only grow as Germany wavers.

Well, "strength" I question how you measured since I'd assume America would rate much more highly than 20th given its own currency is the reserve for all others, has (apparently) the most intrusive and pervasive spyware, and fields an elite (though decreasingly so and ever-more strangely expensive) army. If you based it on relative-to-neighbors hegemony, then it'd be even higher as neither Canada nor Mexico really stand a chance against an army of American draftees--let alone it's standing army. 

As for economic freedom--I know you're using the index thing, however I don't know how "accurate" it is and I have no intention of trying to disprove it. Therefore I'd take it with a bag of salt as an approximation. 

Not sure how education is rated, since homeschooling is apparently the best and therefore education (except when there are laws against homeschooling) are irrelevant. 

I think "cultural strength" should be included. I.e., whether a culture has ethnic and moral backbone in the face of adversity.

Based on the list provided I'd say Poland is looking the best as they're a rising power. If they can make it work with Russia, they could potentially return to their golden age from 500-1000 years ago. If not, they are hardy sons-of-bitches and therefore I expect them to survive pretty much anything that might come from their neighbors. 

In order to have an AnCap society, a strong foundation in nationalism (both ethnic and "civil") is required alongside a strong moral system (like say Roman Catholicism) in order to safeguard a society's cultural and intellectual growth. AnCap is closer to an ends than a means to an end, as there is so much required in order to both abolish the state and ensure the general populace and wield freedom responsibly. 

[M.2]

3 hours ago, Siegfried von Walheim said:

1. Well, "strength" I question how you measured since I'd assume America would rate much more highly than 20th given its own currency is the reserve for all others, has (apparently) the most intrusive and pervasive spyware, and fields an elite (though decreasingly so and ever-more strangely expensive) army. If you based it on relative-to-neighbors hegemony, then it'd be even higher as neither Canada nor Mexico really stand a chance against an army of American draftees--let alone it's standing army.
2. As for economic freedom--I know you're using the index thing, however I don't know how "accurate" it is and I have no intention of trying to disprove it. Therefore I'd take it with a bag of salt as an approximation.
3. Not sure how education is rated, since homeschooling is apparently the best and therefore education (except when there are laws against homeschooling) are irrelevant.
4. I think "cultural strength" should be included. I.e., whether a culture has ethnic and moral backbone in the face of adversity.

1. By strength I mean militarisation. Maybe I should have used the word "readiness" instead. If america joins a war, over half of the citizenry cannot contribute, and is therefore a liability. Israel is fiirst because pretty much everyone there is ready to hold a weapon at any given time.
2. It is NOT ACCURATE, but it is the best I can do.
3. I have linked 2 sources. One of them is a very bad list, the other is a more qualitative analysis of various education systems.
4. I think that is covered in absolutist ideology. Otherwise, I don't have a way of measuing that.

[Siegfried von Walheim]

6 minutes ago, Mishi2 said:

1. By strength I mean militarisation. Maybe I should have used the word "readiness" instead. If america joins a war, over half of the citizenry cannot contribute, and is therefore a liability. Israel is fiirst because pretty much everyone there is ready to hold a weapon at any given time.
2. It is NOT ACCURATE, but it is the best I can do.
3. I have linked 2 sources. One of them is a very bad list, the other is a more qualitative analysis of various education systems.
4. I think that is covered in absolutist ideology. Otherwise, I don't have a way of measuing that.

Well, with this clarification, I'd say that works. Still I wouldn't discount America since most Americans don't live sheltered in the cities--although it may be necessary to segregate them by race given racial conflicts appear to be inevitable--and a significant portion that do live in ghettos/bad neighborhoods (Whites included). 

Of course I can't expect you to know everything about a country's readiness to militarize given a disaster scenario, nor "gauge accurately" how well they'd do. 

For example I'd figure (also taking from outside the list) that China, Russia, North Korea, America, and Israel are in that order the most militarily powerful countries based on a combination of size of standing army/ready draft pool, geographic barriers, efficiency within the army, and likelihood of being endowed with military geniuses (based on population size and recent war history) which ultimately becomes the deciding factor on whether a country is truly a hegemonist in the long run.

But I think most of that is irrelevant, as you've said, since the main thing I think we all care about is civil liberty and cultural strength. On the list I'd reckon Poland to be the strongest in all those factors, and I wouldn't discount their historical hardiness either. Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania (corrupt as it may be), Russia (the rising star), and Japan (which I assume will resurge after its aging populace dies) would be the best options for the AnCaps. America is much more dicey because I think it is far more likely that an authoritarian regime will seize power than one with respect for civil liberties. The culture will most likely be vivified but either under a fascist or communist dictatorship, therefore...well, "for how long" would come to my mind. 

[Gavitor]

We should be making our Ancap paradise. If jews can get their own nation why can't we?

[Siegfried von Walheim]

1 minute ago, Gavitor said:

We should be making our Ancap paradise. If jews can get their own nation why can't we?

Because guns, friends, and money brotha! 

If we want to copy the Jews, then we have to act like Jews and exhibit a strong in-group preference; be deferential to our host culture; make friends with the established powers; and chart out our long-term plan of securing a slice of Earth for our An-Capital. 

[Gavitor]

8 minutes ago, Siegfried von Walheim said:

Because guns, friends, and money brotha! 

If we want to copy the Jews, then we have to act like Jews and exhibit a strong in-group preference; be deferential to our host culture; make friends with the established powers; and chart out our long-term plan of securing a slice of Earth for our An-Capital. 

Sounds like a plan, since there would be no taxes I'm sure plenty of wealthy people would be willing to invest in a place that would help them escape the tax man.

[M.2]

12 hours ago, Gavitor said:

We should be making our Ancap paradise. If jews can get their own nation why can't we?

If you want to get REALLY technical, you have the Holy See. I added it to the list just for kicks.

10 hours ago, Gavitor said:

Sounds like a plan, since there would be no taxes I'm sure plenty of wealthy people would be willing to invest in a place that would help them escape the tax man.

In the Vatican, half the opulation have a Phd, there are zero taxes, everyone adheres to an absolutist ideology, never violated the NAP (debatable), and has the deadliest military in the world (the best of the Swiss population to pull from).
And yeah, the wealthiest people in the world invest in its existence. But also the poorest, including me.

[Garrett]

How much does public education matter? Are free people really interested in public schools, which are geared toward making children un-free? Personally I think the best education can be found online and in internships. Some argue that travel provides an excellent education. Having traveled a lot, I'm not so sure about that. Maybe I did it wrong.

 

One criterion that would be important in my opinion is that of property rights. How free is one to make, purchase, protect and exercise ownership of property. Sub-criteria would be:

* Real estate ownership and tax laws.

* Tort system under control.

* Rights of self protection -- especially gun and concealed carry laws.

* Civil asset forfeiture laws

* Banking laws (are bail-ins legal? How active is the central bank? Do they give FATCA the big middle finger?)

* Anything else I forgot?

 

I moved to Chile from the "Land of the Free." Being a mere immigrant without permanent residency, I have almost 0 economic freedom here. My application is coming up on a year in limbo because the immigration system here is overwhelmed with the 50 million Hatians that came here on "visitors visa's" and (shocking!) didn't leave! The communist debris left over from the 70's is now back in power and pulling the same immigration tricks that Europe is. At least these immigrants aren't insisting people should speak with a French colonist accent or die, but still the prognosis for Chile is not looking good.

[M.2]

On ‎2017‎. ‎08‎. ‎13‎. at 7:57 PM, Maker42 said:

How much does public education matter? Are free people really interested in public schools, which are geared toward making children un-free? Personally I think the best education can be found online and in internships. Some argue that travel provides an excellent education. Having traveled a lot, I'm not so sure about that. Maybe I did it wrong.

Public education matters because it is the only education that exists, and even though it is coercive and evil, it is still a tool for providing some knowledge necessary for life. I would love to include homeschooling stats, but so far, even in the countries where it is legal, relatively insignificant number of people are homeschooled or unschooled.

I have been traveling constantly since I was 3. And I can attest to the fact that it does help with education. For example, most of what Mr.Molyneux says about racial and cultural differences has always been glaringly obvious to me. When I go to Asia, I have to become a completely different person to what I am in Europe. So I am wll aware of why racial and cultural clashes happen.

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One criterion that would be important in my opinion is that of property rights. How free is one to make, purchase, protect and exercise ownership of property. Sub-criteria would be:
* Real estate ownership and tax laws.
* Tort system under control.
* Rights of self protection -- especially gun and concealed carry laws.
* Civil asset forfeiture laws
* Banking laws (are bail-ins legal? How active is the central bank? Do they give FATCA the big middle finger?)
* Anything else I forgot?

I think that is a fair criterion to consider, but I am not sure how to measure that across countries. As far as I am concerned, I am still not sure how property works. It strikes me as weird that the government can confiscate your land at any moment. Which means that it does not truly belong to you. Idk... going to have to do a bit more research on the points you gave.

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I moved to Chile from the "Land of the Free." Being a mere immigrant without permanent residency, I have almost 0 economic freedom here. My application is coming up on a year in limbo because the immigration system here is overwhelmed with the 50 million Hatians that came here on "visitors visa's" and (shocking!) didn't leave! The communist debris left over from the 70's is now back in power and pulling the same immigration tricks that Europe is. At least these immigrants aren't insisting people should speak with a French colonist accent or die, but still the prognosis for Chile is not looking good.

That is some very helpful insight you provided.  So is Chile actually how it shows in the stats, or does it look a abit different on the ground? Also, which country did you place your vote on?

[Garrett]

4 hours ago, Mishi2 said:

Public education matters because it is the only education that exists, and even though it is coercive and evil, it is still a tool for providing some knowledge necessary for life. I would love to include homeschooling stats, but so far, even in the countries where it is legal, relatively insignificant number of people are homeschooled or unschooled. 

Perhaps I misunderstood you. I think when most people evaluate the education quality of a region, they are doing so for consideration of the education of their own children. Maybe you mean to measure the education level of the local population?

[Garrett]

4 hours ago, Mishi2 said:

That is some very helpful insight you provided.  So is Chile actually how it shows in the stats, or does it look a abit different on the ground? Also, which country did you place your vote on?

Obviously I voted with my feet for Chile. Unfortunately I'm not sure I would recommend it anymore to people.

I think Chile is currently pretty true to its stats. However, with the current low IQ population immigration and the problems that are bound to result from that, the prognosis is not as good.

Further, the collectivists are gaining more ground, easily manipulating the already low IQ population, soon to be lower still. They are even in the process of re-writing the constitution because it protects so much against the collectivists. And the local population is like, "OK, whatever. Above my pay grade to comment." (If they even read the news).

[grithin]

On 8/16/2017 at 12:10 AM, Mishi2 said:

Public education matters because it is the only education that exists, and even though it is coercive and evil, it is still a tool for providing some knowledge necessary for life. I would love to include homeschooling stats, but so far, even in the countries where it is legal, relatively insignificant number of people are homeschooled or unschooled.

I have been traveling constantly since I was 3. And I can attest to the fact that it does help with education. For example, most of what Mr.Molyneux says about racial and cultural differences has always been glaringly obvious to me. When I go to Asia, I have to become a completely different person to what I am in Europe. So I am wll aware of why racial and cultural clashes happen.

I think that is a fair criterion to consider, but I am not sure how to measure that across countries. As far as I am concerned, I am still not sure how property works. It strikes me as weird that the government can confiscate your land at any moment. Which means that it does not truly belong to you. Idk... going to have to do a bit more research on the points you gave.

That is some very helpful insight you provided.  So is Chile actually how it shows in the stats, or does it look a abit different on the ground? Also, which country did you place your vote on?

The issue with public education being a matter of it's origin and pattern being that of to spread statist propaganda and generate cogs.  There is plenty of potential in publicly available education programs - especially of the automated sort, but I haven't seen a natural rate of progress in this area - in fact, I've seen a regression in this area, which leads me to think there's an effort against the progress of public education (and, I expect asian countries are not as subject to this counter production, but are generally less potentially speedy in development of this area).  Further, as a matter of rating a country's freedom index, you might consider the high degree of leftism in college professors or those otherwise submerged in intellectual pursuits, and perhaps a better gauge is average IQ in combination with level of free enterprise (reduces number of laws on books and reduces ad hoc administration)

In regards to the various items garrett mentioned, what is on the books is often much different that the implementation.  China has some great property laws/taxes until you find the actual implementation is what you'd expect from a communist country (it's yours until we say otherwise).  And places like panama have great gun laws, unless you are an immigrant (partly because of the US history in panama).   Then you might consider something like the moral tendencies of the people and find the results of the ultimatum game, and find paraguay is the best in that regard, but then you might also find how much some rather nasty elites have invested in paraguay, and how nasty the government there is in regards to collusion.

Not only that the on book rules are different, and that the caveats can compromise the deal, from my previous programmatic analysis 10 years ago of places to live based on a variety of factors, places (specifically states in the US) change significantly.  Louisiana, for instance, passed a law outlawing cash resale.

Globalism (global serfdom) is a funded global campaign, and no population is naturally immune to it.  Further, no organized collection of beta males (ex, free state project of new hampshire (or, just libertarians in general)) can reverse its progress.  Your best chance  is in the US, and is as a billionaire with connections to the military industrial complex.  Or, perhaps, like me, you'll just resign to the secondary desires of making tons of money and strangling hobos.

 

 

 

[M.2]

13 hours ago, grithin said:

1. The issue with public education being a matter of it's origin and pattern being that of to spread statist propaganda and generate cogs.  There is plenty of potential in publicly available education programs - especially of the automated sort, but I haven't seen a natural rate of progress in this area - in fact, I've seen a regression in this area, which leads me to think there's an effort against the progress of public education (and, I expect asian countries are not as subject to this counter production, but are generally less potentially speedy in development of this area).  Further, as a matter of rating a country's freedom index, you might consider the high degree of leftism in college professors or those otherwise submerged in intellectual pursuits, and perhaps a better gauge is average IQ in combination with level of free enterprise (reduces number of laws on books and reduces ad hoc administration)

2. In regards to the various items garrett mentioned, what is on the books is often much different that the implementation.  China has some great property laws/taxes until you find the actual implementation is what you'd expect from a communist country (it's yours until we say otherwise).  And places like panama have great gun laws, unless you are an immigrant (partly because of the US history in panama).   Then you might consider something like the moral tendencies of the people and find the results of the ultimatum game, and find paraguay is the best in that regard, but then you might also find how much some rather nasty elites have invested in paraguay, and how nasty the government there is in regards to collusion.

3. Not only that the on book rules are different, and that the caveats can compromise the deal, from my previous programmatic analysis 10 years ago of places to live based on a variety of factors, places (specifically states in the US) change significantly.  Louisiana, for instance, passed a law outlawing cash resale.

4. Globalism (global serfdom) is a funded global campaign, and no population is naturally immune to it.  Further, no organized collection of beta males (ex, free state project of new hampshire (or, just libertarians in general)) can reverse its progress.  Your best chance  is in the US, and is as a billionaire with connections to the military industrial complex.  Or, perhaps, like me, you'll just resign to the secondary desires of making tons of money and strangling hobos.

1. Though all true, it would be impossible/pointless to normalise for indoctrination as of now because it roughly coincides with real education. The education system with the most leftist indoctrination would be one of the nordic countries, all of which also happen to be objectively decent at education. Physics, biology, geology are all dominated by danes and swedes. There are indeed a few countries who have gone off the edge with their leftism and took education with them, but even such countries, like China and Cuba, are masters in some fields.

2. Yes, people have been complaining about misleading stats, and I am well aware of all of it. Unfortunately, I cannot do better than this. And the very least I may have done is start a conversation based on SOME data, instead of just utopistic dreaming, something that many ancaps like to do.

3. If I had wanted to be truly free, I would have gone to the pcountry with the least population density, and which is also relatively safe from invasion. Nearly a third of Mongolia's population is living the ancap dream: essentially off the grid, in the middle of nowhere, riding cars with no speed limit, doing whatever the hell they please. Even if the police tried to look for you, you would be nearly impossible to find, because you keep moving every season from one place in the middle of nowehere to the next place in the middle of nowhere.
It's a tough life, but it is the freest life I know exists. Despite this, I did not place Mongolia on the list, because this is not data, but anecdotes.

4. There were 30 countries in the entire world back in 1914. 30! Some thought it will only get less from there. Now there are over 200 and counting. Even though we are all in the cultural shadow of America, China, Russia and the EU, in essence there are more options now than there were a century ago. The way I see it is that global power is on a decentralising trend, and the globalists are in full panic mode. The EU was basically all of their chips, and I think they bet wrong, as demonstrated by the V4. Even America cannot project power effectively anymore, which is a shock to all of us because they are on paper by far the biggest force the world has ever seen. They can't even defend their own borders.

Open to arguments as always.

[grithin]

On 2/6/2018 at 8:47 PM, Mishi2 said:

1. Though all true, it would be impossible/pointless to normalise for indoctrination as of now because it roughly coincides with real education. The education system with the most leftist indoctrination would be one of the nordic countries, all of which also happen to be objectively decent at education. Physics, biology, geology are all dominated by danes and swedes. There are indeed a few countries who have gone off the edge with their leftism and took education with them, but even such countries, like China and Cuba, are masters in some fields.

2. Yes, people have been complaining about misleading stats, and I am well aware of all of it. Unfortunately, I cannot do better than this. And the very least I may have done is start a conversation based on SOME data, instead of just utopistic dreaming, something that many ancaps like to do.

3. If I had wanted to be truly free, I would have gone to the pcountry with the least population density, and which is also relatively safe from invasion. Nearly a third of Mongolia's population is living the ancap dream: essentially off the grid, in the middle of nowhere, riding cars with no speed limit, doing whatever the hell they please. Even if the police tried to look for you, you would be nearly impossible to find, because you keep moving every season from one place in the middle of nowehere to the next place in the middle of nowhere.
It's a tough life, but it is the freest life I know exists. Despite this, I did not place Mongolia on the list, because this is not data, but anecdotes.

4. There were 30 countries in the entire world back in 1914. 30! Some thought it will only get less from there. Now there are over 200 and counting. Even though we are all in the cultural shadow of America, China, Russia and the EU, in essence there are more options now than there were a century ago. The way I see it is that global power is on a decentralising trend, and the globalists are in full panic mode. The EU was basically all of their chips, and I think they bet wrong, as demonstrated by the V4. Even America cannot project power effectively anymore, which is a shock to all of us because they are on paper by far the biggest force the world has ever seen. They can't even defend their own borders.

Open to arguments as always.

The reality is, peoples' fantasies about freedom generally are far removed from reality. There are a lot of places you can go, away from civilization, where mostly no one will bother you.  Some chose to go into the jungle in places like Belize, and they find, eventually, despite being in the middle of no where, the government can eventually ruin your life.  Plenty of cases in China where infrastructure projects ruined "goat herders" lives.  Some chose islands (henderson island, pitcairn, robinson crusoe island), but these peoples' access to civilization is at the pleasure of a larger government (the queen, chile, etc), which could change its mind at a whim.  And, if you go completely away from civilization, you'll probably find life made miserable by otherwise treatable ailments.

"global power is on a decentralising trend"
The smaller and less powerful the sovereign entity is (country), the easier it is to control, and that there are a lot of them doesn't indicate decentralization.

"The EU was basically all of their chips,"
Nonsense, and I'm afraid you know very little about the cartels of power if you think this.

"They can't even defend their own borders."
Quite an uninformed, dare I say ignorant, opinion.  To choose not to is different than to not have the ability to.
 

[M.2]

On ‎2018‎. ‎02‎. ‎08‎. at 1:57 PM, grithin said:

1. The reality is, peoples' fantasies about freedom generally are far removed from reality. There are a lot of places you can go, away from civilization, where mostly no one will bother you.  Some chose to go into the jungle in places like Belize, and they find, eventually, despite being in the middle of no where, the government can eventually ruin your life.  Plenty of cases in China where infrastructure projects ruined "goat herders" lives.  Some chose islands (henderson island, pitcairn, robinson crusoe island), but these peoples' access to civilization is at the pleasure of a larger government (the queen, chile, etc), which could change its mind at a whim.  And, if you go completely away from civilization, you'll probably find life made miserable by otherwise treatable ailments.

2. "global power is on a decentralising trend"
The smaller and less powerful the sovereign entity is (country), the easier it is to control, and that there are a lot of them doesn't indicate decentralization.

3. "The EU was basically all of their chips,"
Nonsense, and I'm afraid you know very little about the cartels of power if you think this.

4. "They can't even defend their own borders."
Quite an uninformed, dare I say ignorant, opinion.  To choose not to is different than to not have the ability to.

1. I don't think anyone can escape from the Chinese government within China. The CCP is a totalitarian government, but I don't need to tell you that. Belize is also a terrible example for reasons obvious. My own example would have been worth responding to, even though you decided to ignore it.

2. You just made a very compelling argument against AnCap.
Are you saying whether countries are big or small, it doesn't matter because they will be controlled by government anyway? I say the MORE governments the better. Then at least some of us may be doing it right instead of all of us stumbling down the same path to hell or heaven with 50-50 odds. Multiple governments spread the risk. The smallest government being the head of the family unit of course.

3. Clearly I will remain uninformed since you missed the opportunity to enlighten me.

4. You missed my entire point, but whatever... let's focus on that.
Trump is the executive of the country, and he has every power invested in him to secure the border. I don't doubt he wants to secure the border, so all I can do is attribute his failiure to inability. There is also proof of the Americans' willingness, since there already is a sort-of border barrier there, it's just completely ineffective due to incompetence. I can only look at the evidence, and I don't see lack of intent (Trump's election is also proof of intent), but if you can magically read the heart of America, then I suppose you are right.

 

Before you insult my intelligence and smarts again, I will have you know that by age 20, I had sat at a table with 7 seasoned Jesuits, discussing geopolitics and philosophy in French and German simultaneously. Please treat me with the same respect that I do you. I come here to learn, not to be told without basis that I am wrong.

[EGreg]

Israel is first in strength!

Wow
 

Where do you get those stats?

[grithin]

On 2/13/2018 at 10:23 PM, M.2 said:

1. I don't think anyone can escape from the Chinese government within China. The CCP is a totalitarian government, but I don't need to tell you that. Belize is also a terrible example for reasons obvious. My own example would have been worth responding to, even though you decided to ignore it.

2. You just made a very compelling argument against AnCap.
Are you saying whether countries are big or small, it doesn't matter because they will be controlled by government anyway? I say the MORE governments the better. Then at least some of us may be doing it right instead of all of us stumbling down the same path to hell or heaven with 50-50 odds. Multiple governments spread the risk. The smallest government being the head of the family unit of course.

3. Clearly I will remain uninformed since you missed the opportunity to enlighten me.

4. You missed my entire point, but whatever... let's focus on that.
Trump is the executive of the country, and he has every power invested in him to secure the border. I don't doubt he wants to secure the border, so all I can do is attribute his failiure to inability. There is also proof of the Americans' willingness, since there already is a sort-of border barrier there, it's just completely ineffective due to incompetence. I can only look at the evidence, and I don't see lack of intent (Trump's election is also proof of intent), but if you can magically read the heart of America, then I suppose you are right.

 

Before you insult my intelligence and smarts again, I will have you know that by age 20, I had sat at a table with 7 seasoned Jesuits, discussing geopolitics and philosophy in French and German simultaneously. Please treat me with the same respect that I do you. I come here to learn, not to be told without basis that I am wrong.

2. people tend to fail to recognize one of the principle themes of The Wealth of Nations, and that is the natural formation of monopolies and cartels, and the prevention of abhorrent ones being one of the key reasons for government.  Anarcho Capitalism is naive to this pattern.

3. Haha.  I missed the opportunity - that's delightfully humorous.  Go read Tragedy and Hope or listen to Alan Watt.