MercurySunlight Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 I found Stefan's videos while doing research on politics this last year. As I listened to what he had to say, I found myself surprised at how we clicked on a lot of topics and impressed with how thoroughly he explores these topics from a multitude of different perspectives. Rare to find this. So, now I'm here. I've done many years of work regarding recovery from toxic family of origin dynamics, and am happy to share what helped me. There are a lot of resources available. Looking forward to our discussions. Digger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barn Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Hi @MercurySunlight or Digger, Welcome. Glad those arguments got you interested (may I ask which video was it?). btw, is your avatar Giger related? (sci-fi) Barnsley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercurySunlight Posted March 4, 2018 Author Share Posted March 4, 2018 Hey Barnsley, It wasn't any one specific video, but I mostly watch his more recent ones. He's very prolific, so there's a lot to explore. Always interesting to see someone's observations from the past and exciting to watch how their philosophies evolve over time. Discovering someone who really clicks with you and then having access to their body of work, is like finding a treasure chest. I feel this way whenever I find a new artist or musician. I also felt this way when I discovered Cesar Millan because I work with dogs and study social animals. Cesar was doing and describing a philosophy I was able to grasp, but no one else was talking about or understanding at the time. Yes, my avatar is H.R. Giger's "Li II". He's my favorite artist. His work in "Alien" was a breakthrough. Sci-Fi creature features have never been the same. I still have the original magazine about his work which I purchase in the movie theater lobby. Took me ages to track down his books because there was no internet back then. I have collected most of his books and poster art over the years. I'm also a fan of Ray Harryhausen. Remember "The Seventh Voyage of Sinbad"? Good to meet you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barn Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Thanks, for expanding on the discovery... Haha, Caesar Millan... Probably you can add a ton more useful stuff there. 25 minutes ago, MercurySunlight said: Yes, my avatar is H.R. Giger's "Li II". He's my favorite artist. I find that interesting and a bit confusing at the same time. Naturally he's been like, say Kitaro to the music genres but I couldn't understand how it wouldn't make people anxious over time. I mean, I know people are different it's just I'm having a hard time grasping, how what he created doesn't evoke even subtle lurking fear eventually. How do you see his art? What's captivating for you in it? Massive thumbs up on your achievement in acquiring what you really wanted. I have something like that too, bet most of 'us' do. 27 minutes ago, MercurySunlight said: Ray Harryhausen. I've seen that a long time ago and wouldn't call it memorable, ... I say that, when I do like old movies/series (selectively) i.e. p. s. When it comes to sci-fi art, I don't really know what to pick first... a looong time favourite of mine is Tim White. Nice to meet you too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercurySunlight Posted March 5, 2018 Author Share Posted March 5, 2018 Giger has produced some highly erotic and dark stuff. Not for the faint of heart. I find him fascinating because he's so organic and 3 dimensional. I also like his bio-mechanical works, combining the organic with the mechanical. Frankly, I'd be into his art and technique if his subject matter was plants and dust bunnies. His work in "Alien" took Sci-Fi horror from guys in rubber suits with bug-eyes, to a creature that actually had a life-cycle and looked organic with no eyes at all. Quite a jump. Harryhausen used stop motion photography with miniatures. Amazing the amount of patience that took way back before CGI. Another one of his was "Jason and The Argonauts". I'm 61, and originally watched these movies on a Saturday afternoon with my brother when I was very young. Made a big impression on me back then. Here is a documentary: I looked up Tim White, If you like him, you might also like John Pitre: https://www.google.com/search?q=John+Pitre&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwig-OylgNTZAhVXz2MKHYLsAosQiR4IpgE&biw=1432&bih=821 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barn Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 8 hours ago, MercurySunlight said: Giger has produced some highly erotic and dark stuff. Not for the faint of heart. I find him fascinating because he's so organic and 3 dimensional. I also like his bio-mechanical works, combining the organic with the mechanical. Frankly, I'd be into his art and technique if his subject matter was plants and dust bunnies. His work in "Alien" took Sci-Fi horror from guys in rubber suits with bug-eyes, to a creature that actually had a life-cycle and looked organic with no eyes at all. Quite a jump. I see. Definitely agree on him 'connecting the previously separately floating dots', it's just too dark for my personal taste. Reading the books was a challenge for me in that aspect (vivid imagination) to put it mildly... Have you seen Scorn? It's the same art-style, horror game. 8 hours ago, MercurySunlight said: Harryhausen used stop motion photography with miniatures. Amazing the amount of patience that took way back before CGI. Another one of his was "Jason and The Argonauts". I'm 61, and originally watched these movies on a Saturday afternoon with my brother when I was very young. Made a big impression on me back then. Here is a documentary: Thanks for the link, I'm sure many will find it interesting. Also thanks for the mention of John Pitre. I seem to recall seeing his art before, probably the reason why I never got into him is (seemingly) due to his one sided art-style... again, just a personal taste. No, I prefer (sci-fi) art from people like ° Manchu (Philippe Bouchet) ° Gábor Szikszai & Zoltán Boros ° Chriss Foss ° Peter Elson Tim Burns Chris Moore ... so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercurySunlight Posted March 6, 2018 Author Share Posted March 6, 2018 I like that the Harryhausen documentary was narrirated by Leonard Nimoy. Bonus. I grew up with the art of Boris Vallejo and Frank Frazetta. Two of my other favorites. Thanks for the list of artists. I'll check them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercurySunlight Posted March 6, 2018 Author Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just checked out Scorn. Wow. Makes an Oblivion realm seem like a cartoon. Looks like I'm going to have to finally spring for a new gaming computer. I've had Fallout 4 loaded onto Steam for two years, but my graphics card won't handle it and my current computer is eight years old. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barn Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 13 minutes ago, MercurySunlight said: Just checked out Scorn. Wow. Makes an Oblivion realm seem like a cartoon. Looks like I'm going to have to finally spring for a new gaming computer. I've had Fallout 4 loaded onto Steam for two years, but my graphics card won't handle it and my current computer is eight years old. Thanks again. Have a look on 'newegg', the reviews are pretty useful too. Maybe you find a great deal on parts combo. If you're smart, you won't need to spend a fortune (relatively). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercurySunlight Posted March 6, 2018 Author Share Posted March 6, 2018 Yeah, that's where I've been looking. All I really need is a new tower package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercurySunlight Posted March 6, 2018 Author Share Posted March 6, 2018 Looks like the Rod Serling picture sucked one of my posts into a sort of fuchsia limbo dimension. It's stuck somewhere between "...so on." and "Just checked out Scorn." The post did mention Leonard Nimoy. But I don't think I took his name in vain or committed any other blasphemous acts during the post. I feel the aperture of return is slowly closing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barn Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 39 minutes ago, MercurySunlight said: Looks like the Rod Serling picture sucked one of my posts into a sort of fuchsia limbo dimension. It's stuck somewhere between "...so on." and "Just checked out Scorn." The post did mention Leonard Nimoy. But I don't think I took his name in vain or committed any other blasphemous acts during the post. I feel the aperture of return is slowly closing... Moderation. Don't worry about it much. Wait... L. Nimoy? uhhh... ok, that could be a problem. He was against free-will, saying that logic must be upheld no matter what, breaking his own logic... Just kidding, obviously. 39 minutes ago, MercurySunlight said: Looks like the Rod Serling picture sucked one of my posts into a sort of fuchsia limbo dimension. That has to be the best description I've ever seen on this forum, so far. Hahaha! Nice! I mean the visuals, very descriptive. I'll check it out, once it appears. p.s. (if you don't want to wait, you can in the future use the internal mail service to message members, non-public.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercurySunlight Posted March 6, 2018 Author Share Posted March 6, 2018 Okay, I'll follow your voice. Still have the dog with me. But if you decide to cross the barrier, make sure you tie a rope around your waist so someone on the other side can pull you back. Sss-so ddd-dark...sss-so ccc-cold...do do do do...do do do do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barn Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Hahaha. Poor hound, has to look out for the pack-leader on top of rattling itself. Unless if it's a northern breed in which case it must be having a ball. Rope? Oh,... darn... almost forgot... have to run, I just realised that the jerks were meant to make me pull the adventurer back. I'm not an adventurer... I'm (or I was) the "pull me back immediately if you hear funny noises when the rope is being erratically jerked"-person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercurySunlight Posted March 6, 2018 Author Share Posted March 6, 2018 So, you used to be an adventurer, until...(nope not gonna go there and state the obvious). Avoiding eye contact...backing away slowly...making no threatening moves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barn Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 40 minutes ago, MercurySunlight said: (1)So, you used to be an adventurer, until...(nope not gonna go there and state the obvious). (1)Hahaha, no shortage of imagination on both sides. "(2)But if you decide to cross the barrier, make sure you tie a rope around your waist so someone on the other side can pull you back." (2)Is that the abyss? The one that stares into you while you try to see its depth simultaneously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MercurySunlight Posted March 7, 2018 Author Share Posted March 7, 2018 The answer to your question awaits in the fuschia zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barn Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, MercurySunlight said: The answer to your question awaits in the fuchia zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercurySunlight Posted March 7, 2018 Author Share Posted March 7, 2018 Thank you Gatekeeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barn Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 On 03/07/2018 at 12:58 AM, MercurySunlight said: That's intense. Feelings as such don't tend to have overly positive effects on one's life, on the long run. Frank Herbert. Yes, read it a couple of times. Makes me sad it wasn't made into a proper movie in the end. (or at least that's what my imagination dictates after seeing the documentary - Jodorowsky) Humans live best when each has a place to stand, when each knows where he belongs in the scheme of things and what he may achieve. Destroy the place and you destroy the person. – Frank Herbert, Dune- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barn Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) On 03/07/2018 at 1:02 AM, MercurySunlight said: The answer to your question awaits in the fuschia zone. My reply gave a high five to your out coming response and cosily took its place there for the time being... Edited March 8, 2018 by barn ts vs. iz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercurySunlight Posted March 8, 2018 Author Share Posted March 8, 2018 Gotcha. I used to be a gatekeeper on a dog forum. I know the drill. Left some Sugar Bombs, Purified Water, and an old Omni mag over by the skeleton, just in case. Poor fellow must have gone in unprepared. Hey, I checked out some more games coming out in 2018. Pretty intense stuff. We've come a long way since pong. I probably won't get into anything too linear. Spoiled by the open world Bethesda games. I enjoy them more like a holodeck. Love the freedom to just explore and use a lot of mods. I was wondering if you do any modding? I was thinking of getting into some creating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barn Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 4 hours ago, MercurySunlight said: Left some Sugar Bombs, Purified Water, and an old Omni mag over by the skeleton, just in case. Poor fellow must have gone in unprepared. Maybe he had a Fallout with someone... unkind. (smiles) 4 hours ago, MercurySunlight said: I was wondering if you do any modding? I was thinking of getting into some creating. I'm not a gamer or a modder but an occasional admirer of digital creativity. But yeah, mods are pretty much the x100 joy multipliers in games. (e.g. in KSP by Squad) If you do decide to go for it, I'd be curious to see what will you come up with. 5 hours ago, MercurySunlight said: Love the freedom to just explore and use a lot of mods. Agree, fully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barn Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 On 03/06/2018 at 3:31 AM, MercurySunlight said: I grew up with the art of Boris Vallejo and Frank Frazetta. Two of my other favorites. Almost missed it... Sure, they're part of my list too. Same as Hajime Soriyama (you might like it) Shusei Nagaoka Les Edwards Ute Osterwald ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercurySunlight Posted March 8, 2018 Author Share Posted March 8, 2018 Oh yes, Soriyama. Great work. I loved the tiger stripes on the female form. Always thought tattooing in this manner would be beautiful. I did find his fine golden streams to be about two centimeters south of reality and a bit abstract, but it's all good as an artist's interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercurySunlight Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 On 3/7/2018 at 2:23 PM, barn said: Humans live best when each has a place to stand, when each knows where he belongs in the scheme of things and what he may achieve. Destroy the place and you destroy the person. – Frank Herbert, Dune- Yes. I think Cesar Millan would say this would also apply to our canine companions relative to a secure understanding of their place within their social group, canine or human. Most canine social misbehavior stems from confusion created by lack of consistent social cues as to "Who is Who?" and "Where do I fit in?". Unstable and/or inconsistent human family dynamics have a sort of ripple effect on their canine companions. Challenging to get people to understand this concept when they look at their dogs as simply a broken appliance which needs to be fixed, with no effort on their part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barn Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Well, dogs are a lot harder to have a conversation with. In a sense, it's so easy to 'not be evil' in a family setting. Of course, given one chooses to care. Plenty of 'photocopiers' running around pretending to be humans. Fortunately, the mind's eye can't 'unsee', once the truth is out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercurySunlight Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 Okay. Here's a do-do-do-do moment for you. Years ago, I wrote a poem entitled "Pretending To Be Human". Originally, it was a poem about The Vampire Lestat, from the Anne Rice Vampire Chronicles. For some reason, yesterday I thought back on this poem and realized it described Narcissists (and other Cluster B's) almost perfectly. I dug through a whole file of writings and couldn't find it. Still looking and I'll share when I find it. Either here or in a PM. Also, one thing about having a conversation with a dog which I've discovered, is that from their point of view we are telling them a lot about ourselves through simple everyday interactions. A large part of what I do when I work with dogs and their owners, is getting the owners to understand what we are saying to our dogs, without even knowing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barn Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Poem, okay. 27 minutes ago, MercurySunlight said: Also, one thing about having a conversation with a dog which I've discovered, is that from their point of view we are telling them a lot about ourselves through simple everyday interactions. A large part of what I do when I work with dogs and their owners, is getting the owners to understand what we are saying to our dogs, without even knowing it. I like the notion here. I really do. The one aspect that surfaced when reading could be interesting or not to you, anyhow here it is. (I realise it might not be in line with how you see things) There's (so far) no objective proof of abstract/cognitive thinking capacity demonstrated from animals (yes, they're highly trainable = Alex the parrot, RIP... etc.) Therefore, I never known to accurately interpret people's description of their beloved pets' 'thinking/feelings'... I'm not sure if you aren't projecting, exposing your reality on the animal to describe an observation of yours because to you it makes sense, seems obvious. This isn't to belittle what you've infered, it's to tell you I'm having difficulty believing it in its current form, contributing it to more than a level of trainability. Even than, understanding behaviour and causality is veeery important. That's mainly why I liked your angle. (if I understood it correctly. Do tell.) p.s. (What is a "do-do-do-do moment" ?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercurySunlight Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 This isn't about abstract thinking on the dog's part. It's about how we are read by them and how it may conflict with what we think we are saying. Also, this is not about anthropomorphizing. It's actually quite the opposite. I think we're gonna need a bigger boat. I'll open a topic elsewhere so it doesn't get lost in the introduction thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercurySunlight Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 18 minutes ago, barn said: p.s. (What is a "do-do-do-do moment" ?) Inserted Twilight Zone music and your use of the words "pretending to be humans" and my looking for the poem "Pretending To Be Human" just yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barn Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 40 minutes ago, MercurySunlight said: This isn't about abstract thinking on the dog's part. It's about how we are read by them and how it may conflict with what we think we are saying. Also, this is not about anthropomorphizing. It's actually quite the opposite. I think we're gonna need a bigger boat. I'll open a topic elsewhere so it doesn't get lost in the introduction thread. Yes, perhaps then I'll see it clearer. 36 minutes ago, MercurySunlight said: Inserted Twilight Zone music and your use of the words "pretending to be humans" and my looking for the poem "Pretending To Be Human" just yesterday. Quite right, I missed that. See, it happens when my 'Twilight hat' slips... lemme fix that and cross back over to The Twil... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercurySunlight Posted March 10, 2018 Author Share Posted March 10, 2018 Barn's quote: "Quite right, I missed that. See, it happens when my 'Twilight hat' slips... lemme fix that and cross back over to The Twil... Brings to mind the Tin Foil Hat conundrum...shiny side in or out? (Still learning how to use the quote feature on this platform.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barn Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Hi there @MercurySunlight , A indeed possible depiction, yes it could be seen as such. p.s. (you'd been doing well so far, on the 'quote feature'.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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