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It would be helpful to get some clarification on exactly how badges are earned and whether an individual can donate money and it be unknown to the rest of the members.

No. When the threat has passed you cannot retaliate using violence. The drunk driver that hit you still violated you and you may seek restitution. Restitution may take on a form other than monetary payment. An example would be an agreement to have no future contact enforced by a monetary bond. Restitution, not retaliation, must satisfy any need for revenge.

Vahleeb,A couple of questions for you. Is the brain dead patient already dead? Is pulling the plug an initiation of force? Is an entity required to be sentient to be considered human?

Meaning you cannot react violently.

1) None, after they have acted. 2) The individual gains acceptance in the society by assimilation. The recognition of rights will follow. 3) Private Property is a baseline. If a group or individual doesn't respect that it is an act of aggression. 4) #2 applies regardless of how they came to be. I probably should have asked earlier, but I would also like a clarification of your meaning of sentient.

Regardless of their "species", these scenarios are all manageable under a free societies, system of arbitration that would normally apply to humans. Colossal could counter-sue the drunk driver. The apes could sue the individual trespasser but not a collective of humans. The r selected aliens are an invasion and could be treated as such. The ants that seek asylum would be seeking it from individuals not a state and assuming, the Ants being alien do not participate in the accepted arbitration arrangement, they would have no protection or recourse to claim personal property.

K.o.t.H, I'm curious to know if you did an update that fixed it or did it happen in some other way?

Would it change anything if the mother was paid for the aborted body?

I'm curious, why was the initial post down voted?

I too have had the same problem with the IOS podcast app. I've been using the free RSSRadio app to download the FDR podcasts. My iphone is too old to use the FDR IOS app.

I'm having the same issue using version 7.1.2 (device not capable of upgrade) but I have found that as long as you don't "tap to try again" or "cancel download" you will be able to listen to the downloaded podcast even with the error. Turn off your wi-fi and cellular data and give it a try.

If nothing else the information on gut health is worth a visit to this page. http://www.felineconstipation.org/index.html

This is a rough one and I feel sorry for you. I didn't get much from my dad. He's still alive and I still don't. I don't yearn for his approval (I dont know if I ever did) I think I may have emotionally cut him off shortly after my parents divorced when I was young. My solution is to break the cycle and give my kids what I know they need. I know this doesn't solve the problem of you or I getting over it, but, at least in my case, it makes me feel like I'm making a change that could last for generations, as long or hopefully longer than the generations of fathers of the past have been neglecting their kids.

Hillbillies are not yet protected either.

I agree Patrick, as I have stated in a previous post, a person should be able to deescalate most situations verbally resorting to violence only in self-defense.There is something to be said of the body language argument. Imagine a old west stlye gunfight. As soon as it becomes evident what is happenning as evidence by body language and verbal indicators the first aggression has already taken place. It would also apply to a street fight. The first aggression occurs before the first punch. The man who draws his pistol first or throws the first punch is escalating what has already started. I don't think the escalation in self-defense violates NAP.

To address your comment about who does he serve I'm quoting part of my previous post in case you missed. It originally took awhile to appear because it was moderated. It has been suggested that the wolf/sheep analogy is "heading into fairy tale land". At first I was offended by your analogy too me as a wolf in sheep's clothing. But I'm not anymore. You've actually helped me realize why I started police work.When I was a child 5 or 6 years old I lived in a neighborhood where kids spent all summer outside with very little adult supervision. There was boy, a bully, 3 or 4 years older. He would hit me and push me down, but never bloodied me. This went on for a few weeks before Michael came around. Michael's family life was dysfunctional, to what degree I do not know, and he wasn't always around. Michael was 2 years older than me and much bigger. One day the bully had me down and Michael came to my aid and stopped the bully. Needless to say I thought very highly of him ever since. I moved from that neighborhood shortly after, was 8 years gone, and moved back. Michael now lived with his mother and grandmother and we became close again. I was in eighth grade when I was faced with another bully. This bully I stood up to fighting back. It worked not just on that bully but I didn't have anymore violent confrontations with bullies until after high school. `Michael was probably one of the biggest boys in our high school yet he never got into fights and seemed to get along with everyone. We had are own clique in which I was the youngest. I hated school especially after most of my clique graduated. I was in a vocational program those last two years and that made it more bearable. After high school he went on to college working on an associates in criminal justice. We still hung out everyday his mom's place was where everyone gathered. When I graduated, I was working on a farm and full-time. It was hard work but I liked it. I decided to go to college and signed up for general studies for the fall. I wasn't much good in academia. I went back to work at the farm and sat out the second semester. The local police department announced they were hiring so Michael and I took the civil service test together. He scored high and got hired quick. There was a problem with one of the other guys on the list which held up my hiring for 2 years. Eventually, I worked with Michael for 3 years before he quit police work. Our relationship fell off from there and I must admit it was my fault. I didn't realize till this thread why it did. Now I know that I felt like he gave up on fighting bullies, the virtue I loved him for. I felt betrayed but have ignored my feelings until now. Sorry this was so long winded but I just wanted to Thank you Carl Bartelt

The fuzz didn't leave

I commend "we".Working within the system is what we do. I posted this link in an earlier post but you may have missed it http://www.leap.cc Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. I know quite a few cops who find marijuana possession laws absurd and don't enforce them. Any cop will tell you it's not the people smoking weed that are violence problems or committing theft crimes. Violence is most often associated with alcohol. The whole sheepdog thing was a response to when Carl called me a "wolf in sheep's clothing". I was wrong to let myself be led away from the issues to pursue it. You are right jpahmad, it's silly and I'm done with it.

Nature is the master of good sheepdogs.They protect sheep and fight wolves because it's their nature, regardless of what their handlers tell them.

After 24 years, I don't remember too many things my training officers told me way back in year one, but I do remember one. A truth that has been proved time and time again and was demonstrated by a training officer who was a black belt in some fighting disipline or another, was that you should never have to get into a fight you should always be able to talk your way out of it. I do believe now, that he was a follower of the NAP, probably as a spiritual thing although I never confirmed it. I have found it works very well in a one on one conversation with the exception being extremely mentally disturbed individuals. Another thing from a training officer that I'll never forget is that if you treat people like people (with respect, consideration and empathy) that is how they will treat you. These two lessons are invaluable to me. They didn't come from a training manual but from real men who practiced what they were preaching.

MMX you are right but in the context of this thread it was also meant as:I'm not the one snarling and I'm not the one hiding. I'm the one in between. Also, take a look at my first post in this thread. I believe I was the first to address thefuzz's approach to parenting.

A wolf snarls at the door.A sheep cowers in the corner. Between them is a sheepdog. The post I made at 6:26 AM just made through the moderator at about 6pm. How can anyone keep up?

I agree with the Beard that these "moderated" posts are making this a confusing thread. So I'm just going to skip to another point, but if I've failed to address something please restate it so I can. When I started in the cop business I was under different influences. I was pouring over the bible (Christian). I was under great influence of a self proclaimed born again Christian grandfather who was constantly preaching christianity at me. I worked all this confusion and programming out of my head. I've been an atheist for about 15 years. I've been on the path to voluntarism ever since. I started listening to Stef 3 months ago and joined this forum less than 2 months ago. I started this career with the view that police work as working for the citizens of the community. Our civil service system is set up so that the city government (police chief, mayor, & city manager) can't discipline me without the support of the civil service board. This is my protection against them. This is also the basis of the direct connection to the citizen employer. Any citizen can petition this board for a review of any police officer's conduct. In essence, any citizen has the same power over me as the mayor, city manager, or the chief of police. The oath to the constitution is primarily an oath to the bill of rights. In my view, an oath to protect the rights of the citizen.

I am thankful for my job as anyone who has a job should be. As far as where the money comes from I think we both know but I'll humor you. My wife and I paid around $8000 in federal and state income tax (we both have full time jobs) another $1000 in property tax and loads of other hidden taxes including $4 per week to the municipality I work in for the use of their roads so I would guess other people in the same income bracket paid about the same.Now tell me if someone works at Walmart or a hospital where does the money come from that pays that salary? I think I could make the arguements that with 50+% of the American people recieving some type of government handout that a large portion of what gets spent at Walmart originates as tax dollars and a large portion of the compensation of doctors and hospitals originate as tax dollars. And if not today's tax dollars then government debt laid at the feet of future generations of taxpayers. The sad thing is that same 50+% of Americans are also perfectly content to bitch and moan about the cops while at the same time calling for more government involvement in their lives in the form of handouts at the cost of today's taxpayer or future generations of taxpayers.

I am offended by his hostility to the OP who was brand new to the forum. I will take full responsibility for taking offense.I do not think cops would be necessary in a voluntary society but we dont have one. From a purely philosophical standpoint I think we should do away with police departments. Whether a system closer to what the constitution intended (which would be destined to end up right back where we are) or a new society that is purely voluntary. On a side note, the constitution never allowed for police forces. The constitution allowed for courts to be set up and laws to be written. Enforcement of those laws was left to the people and this is the basis of a citizens arrest. My state has limited the right to make a citizens arrest to felonious offenses and those that are a breach of the peace (brandishing a weapon, shoplifting) these things justify (under the law as written) the use of force to affect an arrest not only for the police but also the citizen. Or maybe said another way they justify force by the police by virtue of their citizenship. The reality is we are far from there and as long as we have police departments we need people in those departments to influence them. I think you're putting the cart before the horse to think you could do away with the cops before dismantling the entire system of government. But if we did I would still be in the business of security, although privately, because there would be a demand for it just as there is now. I don't expect thanks from you. I don't even expect thanks from those I do serve, they pay me. I get my satisfaction from the positive results. I have no empirical evidence that would contradict yours and for that I am thankful. I wonder do you know the reason for the drop in violent crime? I threw in the bit about the oath only to point out that to a previous poster that there was no mention of laws. Staying with this thought I do not find the constitution an infallible document. Slavery, women's status, and taxes are definetly flaws. I do believe the bill of rights is the only reason we are still able to have this conversation. Beard, I see you posted since I started this reply. I hope some of the above helps to clarify my position which I know won't stand up in a truly anarchist model but it is what it is just the same.